Re: [Discuss] Who makes the most reliable hard drives?

2014-10-06 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote:
 Backblaze is near line storage: they fill up disks to capacity, spin
 them down...

I believe they actually have a mix of usage scenarios. No doubt they
have some systems that operate as you describe, while others are more
like front line storage.

If this was not the case, then the way Green drives spin down would be
irrelevant.

I'd have to look at the original source material that the article was
based on to see whether Backblaze segmented their reliability stats
based on the type of usage.


 WD Green disks can be made to work sanely with a simple hdparm command:
   hdparm -q -S 250 /dev/sdX

Right, and I've done that as well. I've even used Green drives in small
RAID arrays with no apparent problems.

The comment in the article did make me wonder why Backblaze didn't apply
this trivial tweak if they were using the drives in a scenario where
they were being used continuously.

 -Tom

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Re: [Discuss] Who makes the most reliable hard drives?

2014-10-05 Thread Richard Pieri

On 10/5/2014 10:54 PM, Tom Metro wrote:

It sounded like the stats don't include many Western Digital Red (NAS)
drives, and no mention is made of Seagate NAS drives. Might they fair
better? They also note that the Western Digital Green drives were not
good for reliability, being negatively impacted by vibration and their
constant power cycling (spinning down to save power).


Backblaze is near line storage: they fill up disks to capacity, spin 
them down, and leave them like that until user requests spin them up. 
You need to analyze their reports with that in mind because that's not 
what most of us would call a typical server environment.


WD Red disks are intended for front line storage: written and read more 
or less continuously. Very different kind of environment from Backblaze.


WD Green disks can be made to work sanely with a simple hdparm command:
  hdparm -q -S 250 /dev/sdX
This sets the idle power time out to five hours assuming I did the math 
right. Regardless of the math, the five WD Green disks in my home server 
don't go idle on me after issuing that command to each at boot time.


My experience is that storage density has more to do with reliability 
than manufacturer. The more densely packed the bits, the greater the 
chance that it will fail in production within a given span.


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