Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

(I am redirecting this to the website mailing list.)

Am 08.12.2010 08:36, schrieb Sebastian Spaeth:

 I bet the content of the static site would be rpelicated within a day,
 and improving the live site would be much more motivating than playing
 with something that has *test* in its name :)

By static site you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ?
By live site you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ?

Yes?

Please, please, please, nobody please replicate the content from the
static site on the live site.

Again:
documentfoundation.org is about TDF
libreoffice.org is about the software

There sure will be links from one to the other. But both sites have
different focus, different target and different content.

Stefan

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Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version

2010-12-08 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I know of a site that does portable apps for windows. Seeing how to do 
it there you might be able to get an idea of how things need to be done 
to make it portable on other operating systems.


the site is http://portableapps.com/

On 12/8/10 10:53 AM, Thomas Hofmann wrote:

Hello all,

I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too?

Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this
difficult to setup one?

best greetings, Thomas
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I would like people to hold off for another week. David seems to have some
 ideas about what he would like to do with the site and its contents. I can
 help.

 The biggest problem with adding the content, IMO, is that there was no group
 organisation and dividing up of tasks. If this is done, the content would go
 up quicker. David seems to have taken the lead and I can help out.

I am currently liaising with Italo Vignoli, so that we get the content
really right.

Thanks for your support on this, Marc. ;-)

We're going to get this site on the road really quickly now.

David Nelson




On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 I would like people to hold off for another week. David seems to have some
 ideas about what he would like to do with the site and its contents. I can
 help.

 The biggest problem with adding the content, IMO, is that there was no group
 organisation and dividing up of tasks. If this is done, the content would go
 up quicker. David seems to have taken the lead and I can help out.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: It is possible to use Mac's service in Libreoffice

2010-12-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi Jih-Yao,

Le 07/12/10 09:05, Jih-Yao Lin a écrit :
 I need to use Mac's service in Libreoffice to communicate with other 
 applications in Mac.
 
 But, now these service seems to be dead.


What exactly do you mean ? I can see the menu entry Services under the
main LibreOffice menu when I start LibO 3.3rc1 EN-US. I also have access
to the Preferences submenu of the Services menu. Do you not see these
entries ?


Alex


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[tdf-discuss] Revamping of OO APIs

2010-12-08 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
Hello everyone,

I found out in LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/414051/) that the LO team
was working on The crufty old virtual object system - deprecated for
ten years - is being removed.

From what I understand, that means revamping the API for developers. Am
I right?

I have a requirement to integrate my solution with OO. Frankly, I'd
rather go for LO because a) LO is truer open source b) LO is (in my
opinion) going to be the de-facto standard ODF editor suite in the
future and c) OO's API are a pain to even _look_ at.

This article is a month old. So, I wanted to know how far ahead in this
revamping effort we are, and how much more work is needed until we have
a stable API to code with.

Thanks and regards,

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Software Security Scientist
Innovation Labs, Tata Consultancy Services
Hyderabad, India

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice should have own LibreOfficeFont

2010-12-08 Thread Ivan M.
Hi Mirek,

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
  []
 I think a better solution would be to:
 a) offer to download and install missing open-source fonts (using
 open-source fonts would be an advantage here): quick mockup at
 http://clickortap.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/citrus-question.png
 b) replace fonts with fonts the same typeface (serif, sans-serif, mono) and
 as similar metrics as possible (this might already be the current way of
 doing things)

Good points, and a great idea! However, it would require LibO to keep
some kind of record of known open source fonts somewhere - most likely
locally with links to online sources. That wouldn't be a problem with
commonly known fonts, but I don't know if there is a universal
directory of open source fonts out there - more likely they are
scattered around various sources which makes things a bit more
difficult :(. As a UI/UX suggestion though, I think it's worth looking
into.

Regards,
Ivan.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Revamping of OO APIs

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:52:16 +0530, Marc-André Laverdière wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 I found out in LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/414051/) that the LO team
 was working on The crufty old virtual object system - deprecated for
 ten years - is being removed.
 
 From what I understand, that means revamping the API for developers. Am
 I right?

No, this is internal implementation stuff, not public API.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sebastian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Stefan Weigel
Am 08.12.2010 10:49, schrieb Harold Fuchs:

 By static site you mean http://www.documentfoundation.org ?
 By live site you mean http://www.libreoffice.org ?
 
 These two links point at the same place. ???

Yes. But only as long as the LibO website did not go public.

As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it
here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org

Stefan

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Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version

2010-12-08 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Thomas,

2010/12/8 Thomas Hofmann too...@gmail.com:
 Hello all,

 I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too?

yes, you guessed correct. ;)
There are a few germanspeaking lists too. Try
disc...@de.libreoffice.org or us...@libreoffice.org

 Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this
 difficult to setup one?

AFAIK, Marko Moeller (the former OOo-Co-Lead for the de-project) is
working on a portable version of LibreOffice. It will be available on
the portableapps website.
(Marko, please correct me, if I'm wrong).


 best greetings, Thomas

same to you.

Sigrid

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Re: [tdf-discuss] portable version

2010-12-08 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hallo Thomas,

Am 08.12.2010 10:53, schrieb Thomas Hofmann:

 I guess the conversation language is english? Is there a german list too?

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de

 Did anybody know something about a portable version? Is it this
 difficult to setup one?

As far as I know, the makers of OOoPortable are already working on a
LibOPortable. http://portableapps.com/node/25074


Stefan

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi David, *,

David Nelson schrieb:

[.. libreoffice.org website lauch delay issues ..]

We're going to get this site on the road really quickly now.

That are good news! :o))

Thanks for feeding the engine with gasoline. :o))

Gruß/regards
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Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/
LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images
(german version already started)



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Harold, :-)

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 18:58, Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting that the Support tab doesn't mention
 - forums
 - technical FAQs
 - installation instructions
 - documentation
 - system requirements

In that technical FAQs section, can you give me more details about
what you envision there?

Got ideas for the categories? Got ideas for specific questions in those FAQs?

David Nelson

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Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi David,

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 20:33 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
 I must admit that I don't really agree with you, Michael. There is
 always need for organization and coordination in any human enterprise.

Sure - we are all agreed on this :-) the question is whether that
requires formal job titles, or whether it scales and adapts better with
informal relationships backed up by transparency.

 Members are expected to refrain from any kind of expression of
 racism, xenophobia, sexism and religious or political
 intolerance.
..
 Again, I'm afraid don't agree with you. One of the negative things
 about many FOSS projects is the kind of negative behavior, attitudes
 and treatment that people sometimes have to put up with - there have
 been several threads in the TDF lists where it has occurred. I suspect
 that there would be plenty of people who would support what I've
 written.

So - if you have cases where you would want to exclude people from
membership for these reasons, or to censor them - please do post links;
if people are not prepared to point the finger, then there is little
purpose served by the rule surely ? :-)

Furthermore, I have a vast political intolerance for parties that lobby
for software patents (indeed I've lobbied against them), I have a
near-null tolerance for some religions that involve human sacrifice
[ there are some still extant ]  and/or the consumption of endangered
species, and I have a similar acute distaste for terrorism, and Israeli
oppression.

 Bingo - I just broke most of the rules. The current paragraph with its
incredibly broad scope forbids me to express any of these things in any
context - as such is over-broad as well as un-necessary :-)

The excellent text forbidding ad-hominem attacks, abuse etc. seems to
cover all the interesting situations of inter-personal conflict that we
want to proscribe.

 In any case, you've had lots of time to read and comment. ;-) Me, I
 was extremely concerned from day #1 of the launch that TDF had not
 prepared things properly, and that it did not have a draft
 constitution to put before people right at the outset. But instead of
 just standing back and criticizing from a distance, I wanted to get
 involved in remedying the problem.

And you did a great job :-) as I say - don't get the impression that I
don't like the overall result; it is IMHO nearly perfect.

 In any case, I've done my best to be of practical help, and you guys
 are free to do what you will. ;-)

So - again, thank you ! it was wonderful to have you engaged. That we
disagree on some details doesn't nullify the great work you put in here,
the useful checks  balances, critical thinking, textual review etc. was
much appreciated by me at least.

Thanks,

Michael.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing

Sorry people 2,


Sorry people,

...




*Get It!* two lines below should stand on the right side of the website, 
big and as a Link.



writing texts
drawing *Get It !* [as a Link to the Download-Side]
spreadsheet
and many more



Than follows the rest:
...


Johannes


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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote:

 LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had 
 bugs.

So, may I ask what the bugs are?

 So, thought you might want to know.

Sure, but more details would be nice, or else it's impossible for us to fix.

Thanks,

Kohei

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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread RGB ES
?? I'm running 64 bits versions of OOo since 3.0 without problems.
Go-oo had problems with 64 bits builds (pdf export on openSUSE was a
nightmare for a long time) but vanilla builds always worked for me and
LibO also.

2010/12/8 Susan Cragin susancra...@earthlink.net:
 The current version of openoffice DEV300M95 for Linux 64-bit currently works.
 Earlier versions of the 64-bit code had bugs that prevented 64 from running, 
 but these have apparently been resolved.

 LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had 
 bugs.

 So, thought you might want to know.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread Susan Cragin
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote:
 LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had 
 bugs.

So, may I ask what the bugs are?

I don't know. I'm not a programmer, nor affiliated with OO. 
Just a user who just switched from Ubuntu 32-bit to Ubuntu 64-bit. 
LibO ran great in 32-bit, and I became dependent upon the ability to fold 
sections in Navigator.  

I can only tell you this, LibO's current 64-bit version does not run, at least 
on my Intel core duo machine.

@ubuntu:/opt/libreoffice/program$ swriter
swriter: command not found

Of the OO 64-bit versions:
 The current release candidate runs.
 The last developer snapshot did not run. 
 Today's developer snapshot (95) does run. 





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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Boehm

On 12/08/2010 11:18 AM, Susan Cragin wrote:

On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:52 -0500, Susan Cragin wrote:

LibO_3.3.0rc1_Linux_x86-64 is based on that earlier version that still had bugs.

So, may I ask what the bugs are?

I don't know. I'm not a programmer, nor affiliated with OO.
Just a user who just switched from Ubuntu 32-bit to Ubuntu 64-bit.
LibO ran great in 32-bit, and I became dependent upon the ability to fold 
sections in Navigator.

I can only tell you this, LibO's current 64-bit version does not run, at least 
on my Intel core duo machine.

@ubuntu:/opt/libreoffice/program$ swriter
swriter: command not found

Of the OO 64-bit versions:
  The current release candidate runs.
  The last developer snapshot did not run.
  Today's developer snapshot (95) does run.





I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble 
at allso maybe it's unique to
your system?  The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem 
to workIntel Core 2 duo


Bob

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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread Susan Cragin
I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble 
at allso maybe it's unique to
your system?  The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem 
to workIntel Core 2 duo

Bob

Bob--
May I asked how you installed yours? I have been using the unofficial debs. 
Did you convert the RPMs, or compile? 
I'm not familiar with openSUSE. 
Susan



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Re: [tdf-discuss] 64bit now works in OO

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Boehm
Precompiled RPM's on the openSUSE repository...built for the distro.
So maybe that's an issue.

Bob

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Susan Cragin susancra...@earthlink.netwrote:

 I am running 64 bit openSUSE version LO 3.3 RC1 and have had no trouble
 at allso maybe it's unique to
 your system?  The beta versions ran tooand all of the features seem
 to workIntel Core 2 duo
 
 Bob

 Bob--
 May I asked how you installed yours? I have been using the unofficial debs.
 Did you convert the RPMs, or compile?
 I'm not familiar with openSUSE.
 Susan



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[tdf-discuss] Formula-text alignment (patch for issue 972)

2010-12-08 Thread RGB ES
OOo DEV300m95 include the long awaited fix for issue 972
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=972
automated vertical alignment for Math objects on Writer documents. The
quick tests I did show that the patch works quite well!
I know it is too late for including this patch on LibO, but is it
necessary to fill a bug report asking for this or issuezilla is still
considered as a valid info source for LibO development?

Ricardo

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Johannes, *

Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:

Sorry people,

...

As long as the LibO website is under construction you will find it
here: http://www.test.libreoffice.org


But I think that's not the first page for www.libreoffice.org at this
state of the project.
Why?
LO and TDF are at the beginning. So many people don't know what it is
and why they should use it.
In this phase the Start-Side or Home-Side has to be created under the
points of marketing, as a Wow-Side.


Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you 
have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with 
the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).


Any help is highly appreciated!

Best regards

Bernhard

[... removed the proposal ...]

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing

Hi Bernhard,
... 




Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if 
you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly 
(with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).


I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the 
day - where can I find this website mailing list?


Thank You,
Johannes

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Bernard, :-)

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 04:35, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if you have
 some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly (with the
 built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).

Please do not suggest to people to start editing the site content at
this particular time. I am currently producing the initial content in
liaison with Italo Vignoli, and we will never get finished if
everybody jumps in wildly... The site can be ready in just a very few
days now.

Before, other members of the website team had weeks and weeks to work
on it, and did practically nothing. So please just allow Italo and I
to get this finished quickly? It will be better for the community as a
whole. ;-) If so, thank you for your understanding. ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Johannes, *

Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:

Hi Bernhard,

...




Please propose your valid ideas on the website mailing list or - if
you have some spare time - perhaps you could work on the site directly
(with the built-in editor SilverStripe is quite easy to be used).


I have no spare time, but I'll try to squeeze it into 24 hours of the
day - where can I find this website mailing list?


On http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ :

# webs...@libreoffice.org: Discussions on maintaining and enhancing our 
website, wiki, planet and other infrastructure

Subscription: website+subscr...@libreoffice.org
Digest subscription: website+subscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org
Archives: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/
Mail-Archive.com: http://www.mail-archive.com/webs...@libreoffice.org/
GMANE: 
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Best regards

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Italo Vignoli

Johannes A. Bodwing December 8, 2010 10:20 PM:



Stands LO in the competition with every other Office-Suite? Or will it
be a work for fun till the fun is gone and than there will be something
else (like it was said some times ago on OOo in a greater dispute)?


Of course.


If LO accepts this challenge (competition with other Suites), than
everything is based on the next question:
What has to do that LO becomes the best Office Suite, better than the
rest and for a long time? That so many people as possible are sure of LO
is the best they could find for Office-Work in private and business or
profession.


First, being known, and when I say being know I mean being exposed at 
least a dozen times per year to any prospect user, as this is the number 
of times they read about MS Office.


When you reach this first target, then we can discuss about other 
targets. In Italy, when we have reached this objective we have realized 
that we were at 15% market share, with 50 volunteers, no money at all, 
the product that you know and a lame web site.


Something similar happened in France and Germany.


And this leads automaticly to the most useful website-design, to the
best marketing, the features we need, how many money, how many people
and so on.

In my opinion OOo ignored this to long. And LO copies some of that.


TDF will have some money, but not enough money to compete with MS 
Office, some people, but not as many as MS Office, some features, but 
features are just bullshit for 80% of users (provided that LO has all 
the features needed by this 80% of users, which is already true), but we 
will have more fun, more enthusiasm and more brainpower than MS.


TDF will be a case history for guerrilla marketing, not for marketing 
warfare.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Bring up libreoffice.org website to world *now*

2010-12-08 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Johannes, all,

Johannes A. Bodwing schrieb:

[...]

But another Sorry - I think this point (Wow) has to be discussed
basicly, not only for the website. Because the style of the website will
just follow the fundamental goals of LO/TDF.


The basic goals of the foundation are presented on the website:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/
First paragraph Our mission

For LibO there is the Next Decade Manifesto:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto
but we already started a discussion about our goals in two threads here 
and on the marketing mailing list (linked from the contribute web page 
like the website list).


Please search for subjects like Briefing and LibO Mission Statement.

These discussions have been postponed until the present workload 
(release of LibO 3.3.0) has been reduced, but after that we'll discuss 
these topics with major impact on our marketing, branding and general 
positioning (including product shaping).


Thorsten Wilms already created a wiki page about this topic.
See his mail on the marketing list:
http://go.mail-archive.com/rQTf6g7Dp54w3LrTWBywEOFW2l8=

If you want, you can add your thoughts there,
so they will not be forgot when we start this discussion...

Best regards

Bernhard

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