Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Templates unavailable at templates.services.openoffice.org

2011-01-21 Thread David Nelson
Hi Kami, :-)

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:28, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> During the years I have collected several templates, please check them
> out here:
>
> https://ooop.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ooop/trunk/extras/source/premium/
>
> (multiple languages, sorted by original  categories)
>
> Also we have license classification per templates:
> https://ooop.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ooop/trunk/documents/license/
>
> I hope this will help.
>
> Looking forward to make these templates available on LibreOffice page.

A big thanks for this, it will be an enormous boost to the template effort.

I was wondering if you'd like to take an active part in developing our
template collection?

If you were willing, you could help out by uploading templates to the
wiki, and entering up links on the wiki page [1].

If you like, you could create yourself an author account on
libreoffice.org [3], I could give you author permissions, and you
could insert links in the templates page on the libreoffice site [2]?

Do you happen to have time available for this, by any chance?

If so, please let me know when you've created an account, and I'll
give you the permissions. We could also look at which templates have
been localized, and see about contacting the relevant NL site teams so
that they can put them up for download.

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Downloads/Templates
[2] https://www.libreoffice.org/features/templates/
[3] https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register

David Nelson

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Introduction/New Website Bugs

2011-01-21 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Daniel Neel  wrote:
> Hello all. My name is Daniel Neel and I'm interested in working on
> LibreOffice's new Drupal-based web site. I have experience developing with
> (X)HTML and CSS on a couple of web sites and have dabbled with Python and
> other technologies from time to time.
>
> Anyways, I reviewed the new LibreOffice web site and recorded issues I
> found. Is it possible for me to fix these bugs myself, or would I need to be
> granted commit rights?
>
> --
> Web site bugs
>
> All notes taken using Chromium 8.0.552.237 (70801) Ubuntu 10.10, referring
> to the Drupal web site at http://libreofficeaustralia.org/
>
> Navigation bar
>  - the sub menu of the "LibreOffice" item doesn't appear to align along the
> navigation bar's left edge, while the other items align correctly
>
> Home Page
>  - "Take a tour to explore the functions and features of LibreOffice" should
> inlude a period after "LibreOffice" - all other items end in periods.
>  - The shadows under each image might look better feathered a bit more, with
> less hard edges
>    - The shadow under the puzzle icon doesn't appear centrally aligned
> while the other shadows do
>  - "Login or register to post comments Older polls" - might be useful to
> have the links highlighted/underlined, as they're (in chrome 8)
> indistinguishable from normal text without mousing over them.
>    - Also in chrome 8 and firefox 3.6 the "Older polls" item should be on a
> new line - currently a little confusing
>
> LibreOffice/Calc
>  - url doesn't follow the naming convention of other LibO products. Listed
> as "../features/libreoffice-calc" rather than "../features/calc"
>  - This also might affect the page's title which is "LibreOffice Calc |
> LibreOffice.org" when it should be "Calc | LibreOffice.org", going by the
> other product pages
>  - also is the cause of a broken link on the Features page
>
> Download
>  - uses an old Apple logo - not sure if their newer logos are available for
> use or not
>  - also uses an old Ubuntu logo rather than the updated ones (located here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand)
>
> Download/Extensions
>  - "Discover new possibilities", "Extensions make document creation fun.",
> "Explore and install now" - inconsistent use of periods
>
> Features
>  - Space between heading and start of page content inconsistent with other
> pages (the space between "Features" and "LibreOffice is a comprehensive...")
>
> Features/Accessibility
>  - Inconsistent spacing between heading and start of page content
>
> Community/
>  - Items in the large list aren't presented in the same order as in the
> navigation bar
>  - Page titles are inconsistent (see Project Teams and Forums vs the other
> items)
>
> Community/Project Teams
>  - Contains links to two seperate Quality Assurance team pages, each with
> differing content
>
> Community/Forum
>  - Sub-forum titles become un-aligned depending on if there's an icon to the
> left of them (see mail icon) and if the thread has a mail icon and a
> description of the sub-forum
>   (potentially in other cases as well)
>
> News
>  - Assuming the language bar should go below the "To suggest a news article
> please contact the News Editor team" section.
>
> All product pages (LibreOffice/... Calc/Writer/etc)
>  - Inconsistent spacing between the navigation bar and the start of the
> page's content
>


Daniel,
Thanks for your interest in the development. We are currently focusing
on the development of the libreoffice.org site in order to get the
site up quickly. The site you are looking at has a longer term
approach and is not going to be complete in the short term.

We are organising a conference call soon to gather the website team
together in order to better coordinate this work. It would be great if
you could come along.

I will add these items to the list of actions for the Drupal
development, but I would not expect to see anything actioned here for
at least the next few weeks due to the urgency of the live site.

Thanks for contributing, and we would love to see you get involved in the team.
Michael Wheatland

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Templates unavailable at templates.services.openoffice.org

2011-01-21 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi!

During the years I have collected several templates, please check them
out here:

https://ooop.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ooop/trunk/extras/source/premium/

(multiple languages, sorted by original  categories)

Also we have license classification per templates:
https://ooop.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ooop/trunk/documents/license/


I hope this will help.

Looking forward to make these templates available on LibreOffice page.


KAMI



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Introduction/New Website Bugs

2011-01-21 Thread Daniel Neel
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bernhard Dippold <
bernh...@familie-dippold.at> wrote:

> Hi Daniel, *
>
> Welcome to our community!
>
> Daniel Neel schrieb:
>
>  Hello all. My name is Daniel Neel and I'm interested in working on
>> LibreOffice's new Drupal-based web site.
>>
>
> I'm sorry if this disappoints you, but our new website is based on
> SilverStripe (an easy to be used CMS): http://www.libreoffice.org
>
> Once our website is in a final state, we'll be able to discuss any further
> improvement. This might be Drupal, but at the moment there are other tasks,
> that are much more urgent than such a discussion.


Oh my apologies on that. I got most of my information about where to start
on the Document Foundation wiki, and was under the impression that the
current site was a temporary fix until the Drupal site got up, and thus
decided to work on the Drupal site heh. Apologies for the misunderstanding.


>
>  I have experience developing with
>> (X)HTML and CSS on a couple of web sites and have dabbled with Python and
>> other technologies from time to time.
>>
>
> At the moment our website team is forming - do you want to join?
>
> This would be great.
>
> Please subscribe to the website mailing list (by sending a mail to
> website+subscr...@libreoffice.org and 
> reply to the automated mail you get) and introduce you there, if you
> want to.


Right, I would definitely like to join. Thanks for the heads-up, I'll get
working on that.


>
>
>> Anyways, I reviewed the new LibreOffice web site and recorded issues I
>> found. Is it possible for me to fix these bugs myself, or would I need to
>> be
>> granted commit rights?
>>
>
> At the moment the Drupal staging site is not worked on, so I'd propose to
> add your findings to the wiki:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal/Feedback
>
> I don't know if this Drupal solution will be more than a working draft, but
> this would allow to come back to them, when the work on the LibreOffice
> website has reached a final state and our discussions on the long-term
> solution came to a conclusion.
>
> Please don't discuss any Drupal ideas at the moment, because they led to
> long and unproductive discussions in the past and we need to focus on the
> release now. If you follow the website list, you will find out, when we'll
> have the time to develop our goals and aims for the long-term website
> solution that will fit the needs of the entire community.
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard


Got ya, will add my notes on the wiki also. Again, my apologies for the
misunderstanding. Thanks a bunch for the information!

Thanks,

Daniel


>
>> --
>> Web site bugs
>>
>> All notes taken using Chromium 8.0.552.237 (70801) Ubuntu 10.10, referring
>> to the Drupal web site at http://libreofficeaustralia.org/
>>
>> Navigation bar
>>  - the sub menu of the "LibreOffice" item doesn't appear to align along
>> the
>> navigation bar's left edge, while the other items align correctly
>>
>> Home Page
>>  - "Take a tour to explore the functions and features of LibreOffice"
>> should
>> inlude a period after "LibreOffice" - all other items end in periods.
>>  - The shadows under each image might look better feathered a bit more,
>> with
>> less hard edges
>> - The shadow under the puzzle icon doesn't appear centrally aligned
>> while the other shadows do
>>  - "Login or register to post comments Older polls" - might be useful to
>> have the links highlighted/underlined, as they're (in chrome 8)
>> indistinguishable from normal text without mousing over them.
>> - Also in chrome 8 and firefox 3.6 the "Older polls" item should be on
>> a
>> new line - currently a little confusing
>>
>> LibreOffice/Calc
>>  - url doesn't follow the naming convention of other LibO products. Listed
>> as "../features/libreoffice-calc" rather than "../features/calc"
>>   - This also might affect the page's title which is "LibreOffice Calc |
>> LibreOffice.org" when it should be "Calc | LibreOffice.org", going by the
>> other product pages
>>   - also is the cause of a broken link on the Features page
>>
>> Download
>>  - uses an old Apple logo - not sure if their newer logos are available
>> for
>> use or not
>>  - also uses an old Ubuntu logo rather than the updated ones (located
>> here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand)
>>
>> Download/Extensions
>>  - "Discover new possibilities", "Extensions make document creation fun.",
>> "Explore and install now" - inconsistent use of periods
>>
>> Features
>>  - Space between heading and start of page content inconsistent with other
>> pages (the space between "Features" and "LibreOffice is a
>> comprehensive...")
>>
>> Features/Accessibility
>>  - Inconsistent spacing between heading and start of page content
>>
>> Community/
>>  - Items in the large list aren't presented in the same order as in the
>> navigation bar
>>  - Page titles are inconsistent (see Project Teams and Forums vs the other
>> items)
>>
>> Community/Project Team

Re: [tdf-discuss] Introduction/New Website Bugs

2011-01-21 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Daniel, *

Welcome to our community!

Daniel Neel schrieb:

Hello all. My name is Daniel Neel and I'm interested in working on
LibreOffice's new Drupal-based web site.


I'm sorry if this disappoints you, but our new website is based on 
SilverStripe (an easy to be used CMS): http://www.libreoffice.org


Once our website is in a final state, we'll be able to discuss any 
further improvement. This might be Drupal, but at the moment there are 
other tasks, that are much more urgent than such a discussion.



I have experience developing with
(X)HTML and CSS on a couple of web sites and have dabbled with Python and
other technologies from time to time.


At the moment our website team is forming - do you want to join?

This would be great.

Please subscribe to the website mailing list (by sending a mail to 
website+subscr...@libreoffice.org and reply to the automated mail you 
get) and introduce you there, if you want to.


Anyways, I reviewed the new LibreOffice web site and recorded issues I
found. Is it possible for me to fix these bugs myself, or would I need to be
granted commit rights?


At the moment the Drupal staging site is not worked on, so I'd propose 
to add your findings to the wiki:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal/Feedback

I don't know if this Drupal solution will be more than a working draft, 
but this would allow to come back to them, when the work on the 
LibreOffice website has reached a final state and our discussions on the 
long-term solution came to a conclusion.


Please don't discuss any Drupal ideas at the moment, because they led to 
long and unproductive discussions in the past and we need to focus on 
the release now. If you follow the website list, you will find out, when 
we'll have the time to develop our goals and aims for the long-term 
website solution that will fit the needs of the entire community.


Best regards

Bernhard


--
Web site bugs

All notes taken using Chromium 8.0.552.237 (70801) Ubuntu 10.10, referring
to the Drupal web site at http://libreofficeaustralia.org/

Navigation bar
  - the sub menu of the "LibreOffice" item doesn't appear to align along the
navigation bar's left edge, while the other items align correctly

Home Page
  - "Take a tour to explore the functions and features of LibreOffice" should
inlude a period after "LibreOffice" - all other items end in periods.
  - The shadows under each image might look better feathered a bit more, with
less hard edges
 - The shadow under the puzzle icon doesn't appear centrally aligned
while the other shadows do
  - "Login or register to post comments Older polls" - might be useful to
have the links highlighted/underlined, as they're (in chrome 8)
indistinguishable from normal text without mousing over them.
 - Also in chrome 8 and firefox 3.6 the "Older polls" item should be on a
new line - currently a little confusing

LibreOffice/Calc
  - url doesn't follow the naming convention of other LibO products. Listed
as "../features/libreoffice-calc" rather than "../features/calc"
   - This also might affect the page's title which is "LibreOffice Calc |
LibreOffice.org" when it should be "Calc | LibreOffice.org", going by the
other product pages
   - also is the cause of a broken link on the Features page

Download
  - uses an old Apple logo - not sure if their newer logos are available for
use or not
  - also uses an old Ubuntu logo rather than the updated ones (located here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand)

Download/Extensions
  - "Discover new possibilities", "Extensions make document creation fun.",
"Explore and install now" - inconsistent use of periods

Features
  - Space between heading and start of page content inconsistent with other
pages (the space between "Features" and "LibreOffice is a comprehensive...")

Features/Accessibility
  - Inconsistent spacing between heading and start of page content

Community/
  - Items in the large list aren't presented in the same order as in the
navigation bar
  - Page titles are inconsistent (see Project Teams and Forums vs the other
items)

Community/Project Teams
  - Contains links to two seperate Quality Assurance team pages, each with
differing content

Community/Forum
  - Sub-forum titles become un-aligned depending on if there's an icon to the
left of them (see mail icon) and if the thread has a mail icon and a
description of the sub-forum
(potentially in other cases as well)

News
  - Assuming the language bar should go below the "To suggest a news article
please contact the News Editor team" section.

All product pages (LibreOffice/... Calc/Writer/etc)
  - Inconsistent spacing between the navigation bar and the start of the
page's content




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Nice new download site.

2011-01-21 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Rainer, *

Robert Holtzman schrieb:

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:09:15AM +0100, Rainer M Krug wrote:

Hi

After I raised that issue recently, I would like to say congratulations
to a nice download site.


Thank you!

David and Ivan worked hard on the content and design of the new website, 
supported by Christian and Klaus-Jürgen.


I don't know who created the download selector (IIRC Christian or 
Stefan), but I'll forward your mail to the website mailing list, so 
everybody involved can read it.


What are you replying to and why, apparently, did you start a new
thread?

Apparently Rainer was one of the many people asking for an improved 
download page when the site went life.


Now he wants to congratulate the team for the new download page (perhaps 
for the entire site - It seems that he isn't a native speaker).


You probably have already seen the present page:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download

Best regards

Bernhard


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[tdf-discuss] Introduction/New Website Bugs

2011-01-21 Thread Daniel Neel
Hello all. My name is Daniel Neel and I'm interested in working on
LibreOffice's new Drupal-based web site. I have experience developing with
(X)HTML and CSS on a couple of web sites and have dabbled with Python and
other technologies from time to time.

Anyways, I reviewed the new LibreOffice web site and recorded issues I
found. Is it possible for me to fix these bugs myself, or would I need to be
granted commit rights?

--
Web site bugs

All notes taken using Chromium 8.0.552.237 (70801) Ubuntu 10.10, referring
to the Drupal web site at http://libreofficeaustralia.org/

Navigation bar
 - the sub menu of the "LibreOffice" item doesn't appear to align along the
navigation bar's left edge, while the other items align correctly

Home Page
 - "Take a tour to explore the functions and features of LibreOffice" should
inlude a period after "LibreOffice" - all other items end in periods.
 - The shadows under each image might look better feathered a bit more, with
less hard edges
- The shadow under the puzzle icon doesn't appear centrally aligned
while the other shadows do
 - "Login or register to post comments Older polls" - might be useful to
have the links highlighted/underlined, as they're (in chrome 8)
indistinguishable from normal text without mousing over them.
- Also in chrome 8 and firefox 3.6 the "Older polls" item should be on a
new line - currently a little confusing

LibreOffice/Calc
 - url doesn't follow the naming convention of other LibO products. Listed
as "../features/libreoffice-calc" rather than "../features/calc"
  - This also might affect the page's title which is "LibreOffice Calc |
LibreOffice.org" when it should be "Calc | LibreOffice.org", going by the
other product pages
  - also is the cause of a broken link on the Features page

Download
 - uses an old Apple logo - not sure if their newer logos are available for
use or not
 - also uses an old Ubuntu logo rather than the updated ones (located here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand)

Download/Extensions
 - "Discover new possibilities", "Extensions make document creation fun.",
"Explore and install now" - inconsistent use of periods

Features
 - Space between heading and start of page content inconsistent with other
pages (the space between "Features" and "LibreOffice is a comprehensive...")

Features/Accessibility
 - Inconsistent spacing between heading and start of page content

Community/
 - Items in the large list aren't presented in the same order as in the
navigation bar
 - Page titles are inconsistent (see Project Teams and Forums vs the other
items)

Community/Project Teams
 - Contains links to two seperate Quality Assurance team pages, each with
differing content

Community/Forum
 - Sub-forum titles become un-aligned depending on if there's an icon to the
left of them (see mail icon) and if the thread has a mail icon and a
description of the sub-forum
   (potentially in other cases as well)

News
 - Assuming the language bar should go below the "To suggest a news article
please contact the News Editor team" section.

All product pages (LibreOffice/... Calc/Writer/etc)
 - Inconsistent spacing between the navigation bar and the start of the
page's content

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Re: [steering-discuss] paid Doodle account

2011-01-21 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Tom Davies wrote on 2011-01-21 20.36:

Preferring to support other OpenSource projects is a good aim but 22 € is easier
to pay if that covers all of us and all the lists to get it sorted fast.  It
does mean continuing to use existing systems that people are now familiar with
which is an advantage.  Generally i would say we should try to use OpenSource
but in this case perhaps we can use the easiest thing and review it in a years
time?


I'm all for OSS, and Doodle has IMHO some serious usability issues, even 
with the new design. I'm just looking for a quick solution, and playing 
some hours to install VMs or the like isn't something I want to work on 
now. :)


If people are not upset by the ads, the free Doodle service is all we 
need, IMHO.


Florian

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Re: [steering-discuss] paid Doodle account

2011-01-21 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Andreas Mantke wrote on 2011-01-21 20.37:

Can I get a test environment on pumbaa? Then I volunteer.


installing the virtual machines is still on my todo, but I don't know 
when I can manage this...


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Nice new download site.

2011-01-21 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:09:15AM +0100, Rainer M Krug wrote:
> Hi
> 
> After I raised that issue recently, I would like to say congratulations
> to a nice download site.

What are you replying to and why, apparently, did you start a new
thread?

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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation

2011-01-21 Thread André Schnabel

Hi Michael,

Am 21.01.2011 15:21, schrieb Michael Meeks:


So I suggest we add a clarification of both of these to the end of the
"Non permitted use section".

"Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name
 without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited."


just to get this right: "business name" means name of a product, 
service, company, organization

or similar. E.g. "LibreOffice Premium Support" would not be allowed.
But it is allowed to use the trademarks, describing your business 
service as "We are XYZ Ltd.,

providing Support for LibreOffice "




So - do people have problems with any of that ?


No .. means +1 to the modifications.

regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO build numbers

2011-01-21 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Andrea Pescetti schrieb:


I hope this summary is accurate,


Thank you

Rainer

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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation

2011-01-21 Thread Karl-Heinz Gödderz
Michael Meeks schrieb:
> Hi there,
>
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 15:46 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>   

>   There is some concern about the lack of clarity on whether
>   incorporating libreoffice (or other marks) into a domain name
>   is allowed - this is an area people often want to tread on, and
>   we should probably directly address it.
>
>   
>   So I suggest we add a clarification of both of these to the end of the
> "Non permitted use section".
>
>   "Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name
>without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited."
>
>   
>
>   So - do people have problems with any of that ?
>
>   
>   
So what about all the sites built in best intentions to support
LibreOffice and that are not under the control of TDF.

I would prefer to say that TDF can demand not to use the name, when it
is misused(right word?).

In the other way TDF gives his placet once and if the domain does
forbidden things, they can state they have a permission so there should
be a revokation too.

I don't know if I could make me clear.

Regards
Karl-Heinz


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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation

2011-01-21 Thread sophie

Hi all,
On 21/01/2011 18:41, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hi,


Le Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:21:14 +,
Michael Meeks  a écrit :


Hi there,

On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 15:46 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Please find the more or less final draft of the trademark policy of
the Document Foundation:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy

We've done some analysis internally on it, and the good news
is that the text looks fairly good.

There is some concern about the lack of clarity on whether
incorporating libreoffice (or other marks) into a domain name
is allowed - this is an area people often want to tread on,
and we should probably directly address it.

Similarly - it does not mention including 'libreoffice' into a
business name - I think we should simply prohibit that.

So I suggest we add a clarification of both of these to the
end of the "Non permitted use section".

"Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name
 without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited."

That does sound sensible. We should also think about having maybe
differentiated logos...
I'm not sure. Look the Debian logos, very few people know the existence 
of the two different logos and their usage.
It's already very difficult and time consuming to track the name and 
logo usages, I'm afraid that having different logos will bring more 
requests, more wrong usages and more difficulties to manage the whole 
thing.

Another point is around the licensing of the policy itself; I
suggest we place it under some sort of open license  - e.g., creative
commons attribution share-alike, or something like that, so other
projects can freely re-use it. That is relatively easy to do, but I'd
like to get Karen's feedback first.

That's trivial indeed.

Yes, Bernhard proposal also if I remember well.

Finally - I just realised that I'd like the "substantially
unmodified" clause to include a few more bundling bits: so

"Substantially unmodified" means built from the source code
 provided by TDF, possibly with minor modifications including
 but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain
 features by default, translations into other languages,
changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system
-distribution, or the inclusion of bug-fix patches)."
+distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the
bundling
+of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions)

Since that seems like it is something people would want to
call LibreOffice and just extends the "package other translations"
scope to other common things.

So - do people have problems with any of that ?

Not from my side. Here's the feedback I gathered elsewhere (from other
lawyers):
-the substantially unmodified clause was found vague so what you just
proposed above might help.
- there was the question of the clause requesting that any distributor
   mentions one can get LibreOffice for free (on our website) and
   provide a link to it. The question was about whether we should
   request distributors to put that more proeminently. I have to say I
   didn't really understand that comment; but the answer was that
   Mozilla does not even allow to make a profit from the distribution of
   the software on a physical medium (you can charge a fee covering
   costs, but not make a profit on it apparently). I think we want to
   leave our clause the way it is, it sounds reasonnable.

+1 to let our clause the way it is.

So a global +1 from my side.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain

2011-01-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello all,

Short note: 
We will be discussing this tonight at our SC confcall.It has been put
on our agenda.

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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation

2011-01-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hi,


Le Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:21:14 +,
Michael Meeks  a écrit :

> Hi there,
> 
> On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 15:46 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > Please find the more or less final draft of the trademark policy of
> > the Document Foundation:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy
> 
>   We've done some analysis internally on it, and the good news
> is that the text looks fairly good.
> 
>   There is some concern about the lack of clarity on whether
>   incorporating libreoffice (or other marks) into a domain name
>   is allowed - this is an area people often want to tread on,
> and we should probably directly address it.
> 
>   Similarly - it does not mention including 'libreoffice' into a
>   business name - I think we should simply prohibit that.
> 
>   So I suggest we add a clarification of both of these to the
> end of the "Non permitted use section".
> 
>   "Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name
>without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited."

That does sound sensible. We should also think about having maybe
differentiated logos...

> 
>   Another point is around the licensing of the policy itself; I
> suggest we place it under some sort of open license  - e.g., creative
> commons attribution share-alike, or something like that, so other
> projects can freely re-use it. That is relatively easy to do, but I'd
> like to get Karen's feedback first.

That's trivial indeed. 

> 
>   Finally - I just realised that I'd like the "substantially
> unmodified" clause to include a few more bundling bits: so
> 
>   "Substantially unmodified" means built from the source code
>provided by TDF, possibly with minor modifications including
>but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain
>features by default, translations into other languages,
> changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system
> -  distribution, or the inclusion of bug-fix patches)."
> +  distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the
> bundling
> +  of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions)
> 
>   Since that seems like it is something people would want to
> call LibreOffice and just extends the "package other translations"
> scope to other common things.
> 
>   So - do people have problems with any of that ?

Not from my side. Here's the feedback I gathered elsewhere (from other
lawyers):
-the substantially unmodified clause was found vague so what you just
proposed above might help.
- there was the question of the clause requesting that any distributor
  mentions one can get LibreOffice for free (on our website) and
  provide a link to it. The question was about whether we should
  request distributors to put that more proeminently. I have to say I
  didn't really understand that comment; but the answer was that
  Mozilla does not even allow to make a profit from the distribution of
  the software on a physical medium (you can charge a fee covering
  costs, but not make a profit on it apparently). I think we want to
  leave our clause the way it is, it sounds reasonnable. 

Best,
Charles. 

> 
>   HTH,
> 
>   Michael.
> 



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[tdf-discuss] Nice new download site.

2011-01-21 Thread Rainer M Krug
Hi

After I raised that issue recently, I would like to say congratulations
to a nice download site.

Thanks,

Rainer


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO build numbers

2011-01-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> My current version comparing with previsious  version:
> 3.3.0 RC4 - WIN7 (64bit) German UI  [OOO330m19 (build 6 / tag 3.3.0.4)]
> 3.3.0 RC3 - WIN7 (64bit) German UI  [OOO330m19 (build 5 / tag 3.3.0.3)]
> I am astonished to see "OOO300m19" for both

OpenOffice.org 3.3-RC9 ("OOO300m19") fixed two bugs from RC8 but
introduced a new bug, now fixed in RC10.

LibreOffice decided to essentially go back to RC8 instead, by removing
most of the new code from RC9 (so it's still based on RC9, but it is
actually mostly RC8 now). This means it still has the two bugs from RC8,
but not the new bug from RC9 and its fix in RC10.

I hope this summary is accurate, but for more details you'll need to see
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-January/005835.html

Regards,
  Andrea.


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[tdf-discuss] LibO build numbers

2011-01-21 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Hi,

My current version comparing with previsious  version:
3.3.0 RC4 - WIN7 (64bit) German UI  [OOO330m19 (build 6 / tag 3.3.0.4)]
3.3.0 RC3 - WIN7 (64bit) German UI  [OOO330m19 (build 5 / tag 3.3.0.3)]

I am astonished to see "OOO300m19" for both ones in Halp / about LibO. 
Can anybody tell me the reason?


Thank your

Rainer

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [contribution] Screenshots urgently needed!

2011-01-21 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Sophie there was a thread on here that someone was working on screen 
shots, but not sure if said screen shots this person is doing is what 
your after.


On 1/19/11 6:48 PM, Sophie wrote:

Hi all,

Does anybody have work on this?
Where can I find the screen shots, what still needs to be done?
What is the deadline

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Sophie

On 19/01/2011 08:54, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

Hi all!

This is an opportunity for community members interested in spending 
some time for LibreOffice, but didn't know exactly how:


Please take screenshots from the new features in LibreOffice we can 
add to the features list at the website.


Upload them to the wiki and tell us here which feature you are 
working on at the moment, so we can avoid double work.


Here is Christoph's mail containing details (sent to the design and 
website list):


Christoph Noack wrote:

Hi all,

there is still a small gap to fill - could anybody please jump in and
help to populate the "new features" site? Some screenshots are still
missing ... Michael (if I remember correctly) added some ideas how to
present some of the features.

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/

And, David once mentioned how he did the screenshots, so please have a
look at the requirements - this really helps to make the site look
consistent (for the features, please pick the things that apply).


> a) Take them under Ubuntu Linux, using the Ambiance theme, with *no*
> visual effects.
>
> b) Take the *window only* with the window frame - not the whole
> desktop.
>
> c) 1000px wide by 750px tall - you can use Screen Ruler to 
accurately

> size the window.
>
> e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm 
hoping

> to accumulate in each app, demo the key features: in Writer,
> tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean
>
> f) The file you use for taking the screenshot should ideally be 
called

> "sample.odt" (or whatever extension)

Thanks a lot!

Cheers

>
> Christoph

Best regards

Bernhard







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