Re: [tdf-discuss] Mac distribution of LibreOffice: Mac Update and Version Tracker

2011-01-27 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 1/26/11 8:51 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:

Hi

I recently asked on Shapado about update  upgrade notifications for Mac
  Windows:
http://libreoffice.shapado.com/questions/is-there-a-notification-when-updates-are-available

Someone there mentioned App Update which supports Mac Update and Version
Tracker. I noticed LibreOffice is there, are these download channels or
information sites up to date or should this be integrated to the release
cycle somehow ? I presume many Mac users are using app updater and will
see such (possibly outdated) information.

Pardon my ignorance, I know next to nothing about Macs or how LibO for
Macs is released.

See:

http://download.cnet.com/LibreOffice/3000-18483_4-75337652.html?tag=mncol;1
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/35446/libreoffice

Cheers,

Fabian

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In my honest opinion i would prefer seeing updates come directly from LO 
then 3rd party sites. others might like using 3rd party site, but thing 
is we don't know what if any modifications these 3rd party sites do. i 
think we should get LO included into the Mac App store (not wanting to 
start another war over that) as that will be another way to get the app 
as well any updates to LO can be pulled with out reinstalling the 
program, just download via the app store to update.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation launches LibreOffice 3.3

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there,

On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 18:43 -0800, NoOp wrote:
 It also still uses soffice.exe et all in Windows; meaning that LO still
 takes over OOo if both are installed in parallel.

Unfortunately, there is some inevitability of conflict here. This would
have always been the situation between StarOffice and OpenOffice in the
past eg. AFAIK (and I am no expert), we would both want to clobber the
same COM component names - and remove them socially on uninstall etc.
Short of the typical I notice XYZ other app is the default, do you want
to change to me type code that would need adding on both sides, there
will be issues here for a while.

  The latter seems MS like; are LO insistent on obliterating OOo by
 continuing to use OOo registry entries and executable file names?

If you install OO.o over LO - you will find it does the same thing;
there is no malice implied on either side.

 That SVG import still is incomplete and doesn't work properly. In fact
 SVG import is pretty much an ongoing joke (whether it be OOo-go-oo or LO).

Well; it does something useful; we (and you) are welcome to make it
better. In my view, something useful is almost always better than
nothing, even if it is not perfect. Perhaps the most serious thing it
does is showcase the poor performance of draw with lots of complex
shapes - something that is intrinsic to draw, but of course not seen if
you don't load any data into it ;-)

 Sorry, but IMO RC4/Final should have waited awhile until some of the
 more basic bugs were resolved.

I am sorry you think so. But rest assured, you'll have plenty of time
to fix and test bug fixes for 3.3.1 with us all. It is not as if the
baseline we are starting from is bug-free perfection too.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Contributors' names in LibO 3.3: how to ask for a correction?

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi guys,

On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 09:59 +0100, Cedric Bosdonnat wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:41 +0100, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
  I post here because I've just read a message about credits in LibO 3.3 and  
  so I've checked them in order to confirm that bug, but if there's a better  
  place where we can discuss this other issue, please point me to it.
 
  That luctur was my userid when commiting code in the OOo project. I  
  don't know why there is my username and not my full name there, however  
  this is not the main problem. 
..
 In fact these are extracted from the git logs... You need to make sure
 you commit new code with a correct full name and email address. 

Right; but of course, perhaps we can fix this for the past by adding
some exceptions: any chance we can add 'Gianluca Turconi' as a
replacement for 'luctur' in your script ?

  In fact, I' haven't found among the contributors the name of
  Davide Prina, co-author of the Italian spellchecker dictionary.

I guess we need to think about this too - perhaps we need an addendum
list of people who have contributed things, but for whom the git log is
inaccurate / incomplete / fragmentary :-)

Looking at the (pretty) web page, it might be helpful too to have an
affiliation tag for old (non-Sun/Oracle) contributors on the page too.
Oh, and a mail link at the bottom for corrections (the dev list
perhaps?).

Thanks !

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Mac distribution of LibreOffice: Mac Update and Version Tracker

2011-01-27 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 26/01/11 20:51, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :


Hi Fabian,


 
 Someone there mentioned App Update which supports Mac Update and Version
 Tracker. I noticed LibreOffice is there, are these download channels or
 information sites up to date or should this be integrated to the release
 cycle somehow ? I presume many Mac users are using app updater and will
 see such (possibly outdated) information.
 
 Pardon my ignorance, I know next to nothing about Macs or how LibO for
 Macs is released.

MacUpdate used to be free, now you have to pay 20$ to use it, as far as
I can tell. As usual, its a question of opportunity / cost.

At present, I do not use MacUpdate, and probably won't for the
forseeable future since I am quite capable of checking for myself
whether program X or Y has been updated, or else I tend to use programs
that automatically notify me when an update is available.


Alex


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Contributors' names in LibO 3.3: how to ask for a correction?

2011-01-27 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:53:35 +, Michael Meeks wrote:
  In fact these are extracted from the git logs... You need to make sure
  you commit new code with a correct full name and email address. 
 
   Right; but of course, perhaps we can fix this for the past by adding
 some exceptions: any chance we can add 'Gianluca Turconi' as a
 replacement for 'luctur' in your script ?

There is an alias file at
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~cbosdo/gitdm-lo-config/tree/aliases
 which can be used to merge several email addresses.

My attribution script also extracts all real names from the git logs
and prefers a 2-word name over a 1-word name. So if you commit as 
luctur t...@is.me and as Gianluca Turconi t...@is.me the next
time, the full name will be shown. The disadvantage is that Wol will
now always be credited as Wols Lists :-).

I hope that makes things clear.

   In fact, I' haven't found among the contributors the name of
   Davide Prina, co-author of the Italian spellchecker dictionary.
 
   I guess we need to think about this too - perhaps we need an addendum
 list of people who have contributed things, but for whom the git log is
 inaccurate / incomplete / fragmentary :-)

Of course, we can only look at the author or committer names for the
commits. And if those are wrong/missing...
 
   Looking at the (pretty) web page, it might be helpful too to have an
 affiliation tag for old (non-Sun/Oracle) contributors on the page too.

I did not include affiliation tags on purpose, as I did not want to be
too invasive concerning privacy. The Oracle guys already complained that
their name shows up on a Libreoffice web site (ask thorsten), and I did
not want to go too far to make people complain (even if it is based on
public information anyway). But if the SC says they are fine with
affiliations, I can easily add those affiliations that we have identified.

 Oh, and a mail link at the bottom for corrections (the dev list
 perhaps?).

I'll add something to have people mail me directly, I only skim the dev
list these days. That having said, there is still no update mechanism in
place as I still don't have access to that CMS. :-(

Sebastian

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[tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems

2011-01-27 Thread alan c

test - having list access problems
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Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems

2011-01-27 Thread alan c

On 27/01/11 18:11, alan c wrote:

test - having list access problems


odd. This message seemed to get through ok, but other messages do not.


Just in case it does get through ok, I will also state here my real 
problem!

It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3.
I have torrented down
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
and also
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz

I have then extracted and obtained
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US
and
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB

I am totally confused at the extracted packages:
for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files!

I am using ubuntu  10.04.1.
Is there a help page somewhere for guidance?
tia

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Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems

2011-01-27 Thread Carlo Strata

Il 27/01/2011 19:11, alan c ha scritto:

test - having list access problems


In Italy too we are sometime observing some first subscripton troubles like:

- sending subscription mail - ok;
- receiving subscription confirmation mail - ok;
- sending back subuscription confirmation mail - ok;
- receiving mailing list mails - ko !!!

Sometime:

- resending a subscription mail;
- mailing list system correctly answer that the mail address has been 
correctly and already subscribed;

- than mails start arriving.

But only sometime. In other times mails immediately start to arrive, but 
after some messages they stop...


Whats the matter?

This happen both on global and with local mailing lists.

Thank you,

Carlo

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Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems

2011-01-27 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 27/01/2011 19:28, Carlo Strata ha scritto:
 Il 27/01/2011 19:11, alan c ha scritto:
 test - having list access problems
 
 In Italy too we are sometime observing some first subscripton troubles
 like:
 
 - sending subscription mail - ok;
 - receiving subscription confirmation mail - ok;
 - sending back subuscription confirmation mail - ok;
 - receiving mailing list mails - ko !!!
 
 Sometime:
 
 - resending a subscription mail;
 - mailing list system correctly answer that the mail address has been
 correctly and already subscribed;
 - than mails start arriving.
 
 But only sometime. In other times mails immediately start to arrive, but
 after some messages they stop...
 
 Whats the matter?
 
 This happen both on global and with local mailing lists.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Carlo
 
confirm the problem at Italian list annou...@it.libreoffice.org
,
I sent subscription mail
I received subscription confirmation mail
I sent back subscription mail
I received confirmation welcome of subscription
I received also an options available mail
I sent a test
I don't receive any mail
I sent again subscription mail
I received an already inscription mail
I sent another test
I din't receive any mail

what happens?? :-)

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[tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3

2011-01-27 Thread alan c

It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3.
I have torrented down
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
and also
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz

I have then extracted and obtained
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US
and
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB

I am totally confused at the extracted packages:
for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files!

I am using ubuntu  10.04.1.
Is there a help page somewhere for guidance?
tia

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Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3

2011-01-27 Thread Andy Brown

On Thu Jan 27 2011 11:25:43 GMT-0800 (PST)  alan c wrote:

It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3.
I have torrented down
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
and also
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz

I have then extracted and obtained
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US
and
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB

I am totally confused at the extracted packages:
for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files!

I am using ubuntu  10.04.1.
Is there a help page somewhere for guidance?
tia



Open a terminal session.  In the terminal cd into the first of the 
install DEBS folder. Enter  sudo dpkg -i *.deb  on the command line.  Cd 
to the  dekstop-integration  folder and reenter the  sudo  command 
above.  Cd to the language pack  DEBS folder and reenter the sudo 
command above.  Close the terminal window.


Look under Applications- Office  and you should see the LibO office 
programs.


HTH
Andy

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Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems

2011-01-27 Thread Florian Effenberger
As the list name says, it is an ANNOUNCEMENT list. You can NOT post 
there. :)


yahoo-pier_andreit wrote on 2011-01-27 20.15:

confirm the problem at Italian listannou...@it.libreoffice.org
,
I sent subscription mail
I received subscription confirmation mail
I sent back subscription mail
I received confirmation welcome of subscription
I received also an options available mail
I sent a test
I don't receive any mail
I sent again subscription mail
I received an already inscription mail
I sent another test
I din't receive any mail

what happens??:-)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
1 - Port to a Web based interface (HTML5)

 As I said before I really believe that on-premise solutions are going to
 become irrelevant in some time, when Zoho, GoogleDocs, etc. are mature

In many cases, this will be true - but not all.

I have worked with many people in the 'developing world', who rarely have 
access to a high 
bandwidth connection and who are limited to old, low-spec hardware.  I even 
know some 
who still use Win98 ('because it works').

There is a definate case for supporting 'the cloud'.  There is also a clear 
case for not 
forgetting non-cloud users.  A product that supports both sets is good.

zf



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Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3

2011-01-27 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 27.01.2011 20:25, schrieb alan c:

 It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3.

 I am using ubuntu  10.04.1.
 Is there a help page somewhere for guidance?

Yes: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/

Stefan


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Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3

2011-01-27 Thread Nicola Di Deo

On 27/01/2011 20:25, alan c wrote:

It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3.
I have torrented down
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
and also
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz

I have then extracted and obtained
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US
and
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB

I am totally confused at the extracted packages:
for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files!

I am using ubuntu  10.04.1.
Is there a help page somewhere for guidance?
tia




1) extract all files
2) open terminal
3) cd 
/home/yourhome/wheredownloadedfiles/LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS

4) sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.*
5) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb
6) cd ./desktop-integration
7) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb

Do the same for the other package

Done

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Exactly, that's my point, having a HTML5 GUI, you can install it locally or
in the cloud. You can always install it in a desktop for offline usage.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 21:07, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.comwrote:

 1 - Port to a Web based interface (HTML5)
 
  As I said before I really believe that on-premise solutions are going to
  become irrelevant in some time, when Zoho, GoogleDocs, etc. are mature

 In many cases, this will be true - but not all.

 I have worked with many people in the 'developing world', who rarely have
 access to a high
 bandwidth connection and who are limited to old, low-spec hardware.  I even
 know some
 who still use Win98 ('because it works').

 There is a definate case for supporting 'the cloud'.  There is also a clear
 case for not
 forgetting non-cloud users.  A product that supports both sets is good.

 zf



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Andy Brown

On Thu Jan 27 2011 13:32:42 GMT-0800 (PST)  Jaime R. Garza wrote:

Exactly, that's my point, having a HTML5 GUI, you can install it locally or
in the cloud. You can always install it in a desktop for offline usage.



And just who is going to put up the money to pay for this cloud?  I, 
for one, do not have several thousand dollars(US) to pay for such.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Hi,

Are you talking about a public free cloud? Nobody needs to offer that, as I
say, any desktop can work as it's own server, so anyone can install it
locally, having a little cloud installed in their own desktop. And if, a
company wants to offer it on a server for many people, it will work too.

Do you understand what I mean? Any vendor could provide a SaaS solution too.
Look at Zimbra (PIM), for example, they have a full functional web
interface.

Enterprises are looking to reduce TCO with public or private clouds, so that
they don't have to manage and administer clients.

Cheers!


On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:39, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:

 On Thu Jan 27 2011 13:32:42 GMT-0800 (PST)  Jaime R. Garza wrote:

 Exactly, that's my point, having a HTML5 GUI, you can install it locally
 or
 in the cloud. You can always install it in a desktop for offline usage.


 And just who is going to put up the money to pay for this cloud?  I, for
 one, do not have several thousand dollars(US) to pay for such.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Andy Brown

On Thu Jan 27 2011 14:03:35 GMT-0800 (PST)  Jaime R. Garza wrote:

Hi,

Are you talking about a public free cloud? Nobody needs to offer that, as I
say, any desktop can work as it's own server, so anyone can install it
locally, having a little cloud installed in their own desktop. And if, a
company wants to offer it on a server for many people, it will work too.

Do you understand what I mean? Any vendor could provide a SaaS solution too.
Look at Zimbra (PIM), for example, they have a full functional web
interface.

Enterprises are looking to reduce TCO with public or private clouds, so that
they don't have to manage and administer clients.

Cheers!


What is wrong with options that already work?  There are online sources 
that offer OSS that you can connect to, as an example www.gopc.net . 
They have a full setup that looks like a Linux desktop.  Apps include 
OOo, ThunderBird and FireFox just to name a few.  This would also reduce 
the TCO for a business as they do not have to maintain the servers that 
the programs run on.  Why do people try to keep reinventing the wheel? 
It has been done and works, make improvements but not redo all the work.


As stated gopc.net is only one source available.



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[tdf-discuss] Hate to mention this but

2011-01-27 Thread Mark Preston
The other day we were sent a document but the sender had - presumably
by mistake - a template rather than document and in the DOTX format.
Searching the web, we found this is a horrible format with which an
awful lot of people have had problems with this format and even the
Microsoft Word Viewer will not handle it.

I just want to check that, along with the DOCX formats, LibreOffice
will also be able to open DOTX - and, of course, recognise them as a
template rather than a document.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions

2011-01-27 Thread Jaime R. Garza
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:15, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote:

 On Thu Jan 27 2011 14:03:35 GMT-0800 (PST)  Jaime R. Garza wrote:

 Hi,

 Are you talking about a public free cloud? Nobody needs to offer that, as
 I
 say, any desktop can work as it's own server, so anyone can install it
 locally, having a little cloud installed in their own desktop. And if, a
 company wants to offer it on a server for many people, it will work too.

 Do you understand what I mean? Any vendor could provide a SaaS solution
 too.
 Look at Zimbra (PIM), for example, they have a full functional web
 interface.

 Enterprises are looking to reduce TCO with public or private clouds, so
 that
 they don't have to manage and administer clients.

 Cheers!


 What is wrong with options that already work?  There are online sources
 that offer OSS that you can connect to, as an example www.gopc.net . They
 have a full setup that looks like a Linux desktop.  Apps include OOo,
 ThunderBird and FireFox just to name a few.  This would also reduce the TCO
 for a business as they do not have to maintain the servers that the programs
 run on.  Why do people try to keep reinventing the wheel? It has been done
 and works, make improvements but not redo all the work.

 As stated gopc.net is only one source available.


Companies are not putting sensible information out in the cloud, they want
private clouds. There is GoogleDocs, Zoho, IBM's future ODF cloud based
Office, Oracle has already an offer. I assume this companies will offer
dedicated clouds.

I personally believe an HTML5 interface will make LibreOffice more
competitive, it could be one version that works on any platform, even on
your local desktop. The problem with sharing a whole desktop is that if you
are in a big company you need much more resources. There is an interesting
OSS product called ULTEO, which basically does that, but that's just
virtualization. The goal of many companies now is to have all standard apps
completely web-based.

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Final or still RC4 (64 Deb)

2011-01-27 Thread Johanes Lee

Hi,

I downloaded LibreOffice 64-bit for Deb Version:
LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz

But extracted as following directory
LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US

Install success,

Found this version information in the About screen:
LibreOffice 3.3.0
OOO330m19 (Build:6)
tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4

Did I download and install the latest version  of LibreOffice?

Thanks

-joe-

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Final or still RC4 (64 Deb)

2011-01-27 Thread NoOp
On 01/27/2011 05:01 PM, Johanes Lee wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I downloaded LibreOffice 64-bit for Deb Version:
 LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz
 
 But extracted as following directory
 LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US
 
 Install success,
 
 Found this version information in the About screen:
 LibreOffice 3.3.0
 OOO330m19 (Build:6)
 tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4
 
 Did I download and install the latest version  of LibreOffice?

Yes. MD5sums are the same on both.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hate to mention this but

2011-01-27 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 1/28/11 12:27 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/27/2011 02:50 PM, Mark Preston wrote:

The other day we were sent a document but the sender had - presumably
by mistake - a template rather than document and in the DOTX format.
Searching the web, we found this is a horrible format with which an
awful lot of people have had problems with this format and even the
Microsoft Word Viewer will not handle it.

I just want to check that, along with the DOCX formats, LibreOffice
will also be able to open DOTX - and, of course, recognise them as a
template rather than a document.


File|Open|File type: you will find dotx at 'Microsoft Word 2007 XML
Template'.




I know there is ongoing work by Cedric to improve the support for that 
format. From what i have seen when trying to work on LO with a docx 
document its still rather buggy.


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