[tdf-discuss] Re: Euro symbol not inserted into write documents

2011-03-23 Thread Tinkerer
On my keyboard Option+2 prints €.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Euro symbol not inserted into write documents

2011-03-23 Thread AG

On 19/03/11 09:02, RGB ES wrote:

Almost all modern typefaces include the euro symbol, no need to use a
different font for that: it's unicode 20AC. If you for any reason
can't find it, just press Ctrl+Shift+U (you will see an underlined u),
then type 20ac and press Enter: the euro symbol € will appear.
   

Ricardo

Thanks - this is the fix. Cheers.

AG

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 3.3.2 is now available

2011-03-23 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-03-23 1:04 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
> Le 22/03/2011 14:17, Charles Marcus a écrit :
>> Questions...
>>
>> 1. Why is the help pack separate?
>>
>> It isn't that big, and separating it from the main install - which is
>> something OOo NEVER did - just complicates the installation process.
>>
>> Also - when an update to LibO is posted, is an updated help file also
>> automatically posted?

> Please read the long discussions about this decision in the ml archives.

Which list? When? Comments like this *without a reference* irritate me
no end. If you know about the discussion it is almost trivial for you to
find a reference - since I'm obviously not aware of it, I may or may not
every find it.

> It is not only an issue related to the size of install files. Doing help
> available on the wiki, is a mean to easily update the help and better
> keep it synchronized with the code.

I'm not suggesting to not use the help on the wiki, but locally
available help is a must for many people.

Again - it is only @ 8MB. It isn't saving hardly anything with regard to
file size, and only complicates the installation process for those of us
(majority?) who want locally available help. I have also had many people
(I do tech support for a living) ask me why they don't have any help
when they are disconnected from the internet - they don't even KNOW help
doesn't come with the normal install.

Purely and simply, if this was an intentional decision, it was poorly
made, and needs to be rectified.

>> I am getting VERY tired of having to do a custom install on and
>> disabling DOZENS of foreign language dictionaries that I do not want or
>> need.

> You have only to disable globally  the installation of dictionaries and
> then enable only the dictionaries that you need. Two clicks if you want
> only one dictionary.

Well, thanks for that (kind of obvious now that you mention it), but
I'll reiterate:

Every other program that I have ever installed defaults to ONLY the
language the OS is running in - selecting other languages is *always*
something that must be intentionally done.

Defaulting to all is ignorant.

>> I know that disk space was a problem/concern initially, but it has been
>> long enough... please provide smaller individual language builds.

> Disk space is a problem for servers and the most the total size of
> install set is big the most the time to synchronize mirrors is long.

As it is for every other software package out there. It was promised
that this huge all inclusive download was a TEMPORARY situation until
more server space was available - I hope the developers to honor that
commitment.

These 3 issues are the biggest complaints I get when referring people to
LibO, and I'm sure I'm not the only one - I'm just trying to help make
things better for everyone...

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
P.P.S.: And of course, even when both the sender and the recipient have the
same font installed on their system, there still is no iron-clad guarantee
that both will see the exact same thing on their computer screen, due to the
variety of display schemes (ClearType sub-pixel rendering etc.) in
circulation.

So, the Holy Grail is not achievable, only incremental improvements.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 3.3.2 is now available

2011-03-23 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-03-22 11:17 PM, Do Hong Phuc wrote:
> I suggest still to keep the help pack seperated with the main setup package
> to make its size as smaller as possible.

The help pack is only a fraction of the size problem...

Separating the individual langauge downloads will help FAR more than
keeping the help pack separate - and as I said, separating the help only
complicates installation process. Very few other programs do ts - the
only one that comes to mind immediately being the GIMP - and that one is
just as irritating to install.

> And seperate the language package as many languages are unneccessary for
> someone.

Again - separating the language packs, and providing installers for
individual languages is what will provide a dramatic reduction in the
download file size.

> To avoid installing un-desired dictionaries, you can directly modify the
> libreoffice33.msi with ORCA, but it will be take you much of time to modify.

Right - enabling every single dictionary by default is ridiculous. Every
other program worth anything defaults to ONLY the language you are using
for your OS...

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Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
A postscript:

"Free" does not necessarily mean lower quality. Some beautiful free fonts
that I have on my system include
- Yanone Kaffeesatz
- Lavoisier
- Ubuntu
- and of course the terrific Linux Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G

There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example the STIX
family of fonts includes every symbol and character for the entire universe
of scientific/technical publishing.

P.S.: Sorry if I sometimes write OOo inadvertently, I do realize this is a
LibreOffice Board!

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