[steering-discuss] call from CW 15 online
Hello, the SC call from CW 15 is now online at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-04-15 Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
Hi, overdue, but we are now able to start really soon. To kick of the membership process I wrote some brief message (hope it's well enough to be a start). please review and comment. @Florian / Christian: I guess, the form is already accessible for eveyone but not yet linked from the TDF website? Can you coordinat, that this will be linked, when we send the annuncement? thanks and regards, André To be sent to annou...@documentfoundation.org libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org l...@libreoffice.org webs...@libreoffice.org documentat...@libreoffice.org market...@libreoffice.org des...@libreoffice.org + blogged at the official TDF blog Subject: The Document Foundation is open for members With the last months the community around LibreOffice and the Document Foundation worked hard to establish policies, processes, infrastructure and all the things you need to deliver a high quality software. One of our basic principles is that we will acknowledge this merit and allow all the contributors to become official members of our community. All members will have the right to run for a seat in the Foundation's board of directors, elect the board and drive the future of our projects. From now on all of you can apply for membership via our webform [1] . The membership committee is eager to receive your applications. Please help us to process your request quickly. Read and follow the form's introduction carefully, provide a good description of your contributions and list at least two contacts who can confirm your contributions. The TDF Membership Committee, Sophie Gautier, Fridrich Strba, André Schnabel, Cor Nouws Links: application form: http://www.documentfoundation.org/application-for-tdf-community-membership/ community bylaws: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws more about the Membership Committee: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
Hi André, André Schnabel wrote on 2011-04-18 19.13: @Florian / Christian: I guess, the form is already accessible for eveyone but not yet linked from the TDF website? Can you coordinat, that this will be linked, when we send the annuncement? it already is. www.documentfoundation.org, heading tab Application :) For changes, like a differnet name, best is to ping the website list. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
Hi, André Schnabel wrote on 2011-04-18 19.13: overdue, but we are now able to start really soon. To kick of the membership process I wrote some brief message (hope it's well enough to be a start). oh, and I like the draft! +1 from my side. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
Hi André On 18/04/2011 20:13, André Schnabel wrote: Hi, overdue, but we are now able to start really soon. To kick of the membership process I wrote some brief message (hope it's well enough to be a start). please review and comment. +1 for me, it's good, thanks Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] call from CW 15 online
Hi, 2011/4/18 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: the SC call from CW 15 is now online at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-04-15 I have to remind the members of the steering committee to write down the minutes of their meetings. Not everybody is willing to hear the whole stream for tracking the information, some might even not be able to understand all. The minutes from the last call at 2011-04-06 are still missing, please start there. Thx Volker -- ++ Volker Merschmann - ODF-Software Contributor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] call from CW 15 online
Hi :) If there is some sort of voice recording (perhaps via Voip?) then perhaps some minutes could be generated? I'm not a touch-typist but there are probably people around that could do something or perhaps just place the recording wherre minutes are usually kept? Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 20:07:00 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] call from CW 15 online Hello, Volker Merschmann wrote on 2011-04-18 20.21: I have to remind the members of the steering committee to write down the minutes of their meetings. Not everybody is willing to hear the whole stream for tracking the information, some might even not be able to understand all. well, maybe there will also be some community members dialing in and volunteering to take notes. :-) I see the need for the notes, but especially when you only have two or three people in the call, additionally taking notes is a real burden. Hopefully, participation will be better next times. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
On 4/18/11 7:13 PM, André Schnabel wrote: Please help us to process your request quickly. Read and follow the form's introduction carefully, provide a good description of your contributions and list at least two contacts who can confirm your contributions. +1 -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation phone +39.348.5653829 - VoIP +39.02.320621813 email it...@libreoffice.it - skype italovignoli gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
Hi, ok, I'll send it to the lists in ~1hr ... can someone please post it to the TDF blog (or send me quick instructions how to post there - I somehow lost it). regards, André Am 18.04.2011 19:13, schrieb André Schnabel: To be sent to annou...@documentfoundation.org libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org l...@libreoffice.org webs...@libreoffice.org documentat...@libreoffice.org market...@libreoffice.org des...@libreoffice.org + blogged at the official TDF blog Subject: The Document Foundation is open for members With the last months the community around LibreOffice and the Document Foundation worked hard to establish policies, processes, infrastructure and all the things you need to deliver a high quality software. One of our basic principles is that we will acknowledge this merit and allow all the contributors to become official members of our community. All members will have the right to run for a seat in the Foundation's board of directors, elect the board and drive the future of our projects. From now on all of you can apply for membership via our webform [1] . The membership committee is eager to receive your applications. Please help us to process your request quickly. Read and follow the form's introduction carefully, provide a good description of your contributions and list at least two contacts who can confirm your contributions. The TDF Membership Committee, Sophie Gautier, Fridrich Strba, André Schnabel, Cor Nouws Links: application form: http://www.documentfoundation.org/application-for-tdf-community-membership/ community bylaws: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws more about the Membership Committee: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Draft for membership process announcement
On 4/19/11 7:50 AM, André Schnabel wrote: ok, I'll send it to the lists in ~1hr ... can someone please post it to the TDF blog (or send me quick instructions how to post there - I somehow lost it). I will post it around the same time -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Standardized Open Fonts
Hello, I have stumbled on a tiny problem recently... Our team has decided to use only open fonts. While that is great, it turns out that the version on my Linux desktop has a ton of free fonts, whereas their Windows systems have barely anything. The only thing we had in common was the Dejavu family. We did migrate our documents to that, but it wasn't that great an experience because of many formatting changes. That would've been avoided by using the Liberation family. Would it be possible to add a few open fonts? I'm thinking that support for the Liberation fonts should be there 100%, since they are metric compatible with the ones commonly used (Arial, TNR. Courier New). What other ones should be seen as 'must have'? Regards, -- Marc-André Laverdière Software Security Scientist Innovation Labs, Tata Consultancy Services Hyderabad, India -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] interesting article
I am not sure this is the place to post this, but here is an article that might be worth posting somewhere with other articles about LibreOffice http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss LONG LIVE LIBRE OFFICE :) -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and a StackExchange support website
On 04/17/2011 05:27 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: 2011/4/18 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org: On 04/17/2011 10:21 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: Hi All, The new hotness for a support website would be to have a StackExchange website for LibreOffice. For example, * http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/ - aiming at developers, advanced users * http://askubuntu.com/ - aiming at users, also advanced users Here is a list of all StackExchange support websites, all 48 of them, http://stackexchange.com/sites What is StackExchange? Read at http://stackexchange.com/about In a nutshell, these are type of support websites that highlight the questions, and provide many opportunities to get these questions answered, with quality answers. The users accumulate points for their participation, which they then can use up to bring attention to their own questions that they may have. In addition, as users accumulate points, they get more responsibilities in self-moderating the website. The most well-known of those websites is StackOverflow, http://stackoverflow.com/ with about a million members, and more than a million questions answered. I am not affiliated with StackExchange, just posting this to see whether there is interest. Simos I posted about doing this on shapado.com a few months ago, take a look: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ The mailing list archives will also tell you more. I think it would be unfortunate to use a non-free SaaS to do this, specially when Shapado can do more. I haven't been able to put much more time on this lately, but surely making it an official resource would help it gain traction. Thanks for the link. I had no idea about shapado.com (or http://gitorious.org/shapado ) There has been a similar discussion for AskUbuntu and UbuntuAsk, http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/302/why-should-i-use-this-site-instead-of-ubuntu-ask-shapado with insightful comments. Such discussion is about the Ubuntu-specific community, a very different context. Canonical simply decided not to support Shapado, and pushed hard for Ask Ubuntu at StackExchange. You can guess which got noticed more (and, well, was adopted). I was referring to previous thread in this list about Shapado, which I couldn't find in a quick search. Ironically, as a result of such efforts to get Shapado noticed, Debian started using it. To be able to get Libreoffice.Shapado (or one at StackExchange) become popular, you need to make a group that will devote time to answer questions for the first few weeks. 117 people are registered and receive any questions: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/users The problem is not the lack of contributors, but rather the lack of questions / exposure - although I'll admit LibreOffice doesn't seem like a source of extraordinarily challenging questions. And at the same time promote as much as possible. The positive issue with StackExchange is that you get the spillover from the other StackExchange websites. In any case, it's a hard task to motivate people to spend their time. Thanks, Simos Right, I'll gladly take any offer for help on this one :) Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] How are Libre Office bugs classified and fixed?
We are all receiving the daily Libreoffice-bugs Digests and I, and no doubt many others, would like to know how all the bugs listed in the Digests are monitored and acted upon. It looks as if we have an ever growing list of bugs of all complexities, from the serious show stoppers to the exotic, once in a lifetime bug only found by people doing very advanced work. But where is the feed-back to show that problems raised are being resolved? Who takes ownership of a given bug after it has been reported? How are these issues managed by the Libre Office team? Alan The bug reporting process will give you a few hints until someone involved on the dev side of things can respond: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Adding yourself as a CC to some of the bugs you mention may also give you a history may repeat itself view of things. Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle gives up on OpenOffice.org
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:37:31 +0200, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure this is the place to post this, but here is an article that might be worth posting somewhere with other articles about LibreOffice http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars LONG LIVE LIBRE OFFICE :) Indeed. My earlier question about the Oracle Contributor Agreement seems moot now. (Oracle also removed its Cloud Office product page from its website [1]. I bet that jokes about vapourware are just around the corner.) Best regards, Christophe [1] http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Oracle-OpenOffice-org-to-become-a-Community-based-Project-Update-1228831.html -- Jonathan Aquilina -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 www.docarch.be Twitter: @RabelaisA11y -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] RE: Concerned about Table formatting in Writer
I am either posting to the wrong list, or apparantly there are no supporters to get this problem fixed. PZ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com To: us...@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 18 April, 2011 4:28:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: @Wayne Being a biologist, I find your Evolution parallel quite interesting. Answering your previous question: of course IBM has it's own flavour of Office (based on OpenOffice in fact): it's called IBM Lotus Symphony http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/products Enjoy! ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Ellison-s-Oracle-washes-hands-of-OpenOffice-tp2826546p2832723.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Wayne I would think some the hardware vendors would promote FOSS more. They can benefit from the hardware sales. I can see why MS hates FOSS, they are almost a pure software vendor and FOSS hurts their sales. Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com Hello, Am gonna try two things with this e-mail, 1. As noted earlier, the us...@documentfoundation.org list is for user support and not for discussions. Therefore, I am moving to the discuss list. Hi :) unfortunately hardware vendors profit from selling MS pre-installed and the more junk they can have pre-installed the more they profit. MS sells them special licences to install at a discount bargain rate. If hardware vendors put Free Software on instead then their profit margins would be lower. 2. This has been claimed so many times but still it does not make it correct. The difference is in the details. Computer manufacturers build computers with different hardware and software components. For example, Intel produces CPUs, and it was revealed recently that they gave special discounts to Dell so that they get exclusivity, http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/27/news/companies/dell_settlement_intel.fortune/index.htm The case with Microsoft is that computer manufacturers can stay in line and follow special programs to co-advertise Windows (“Dell recommends Windows”) and use Windows exclusively for their products, and thus get generous discounts over the standard OEM Windows price. This is the anticompetitive practice that hurts the market. The exact details of such an agreement has not been leaked yet, so that we can have hard evidence. The part that looks to be in these agreements is that if the manufacturer decides to go exclusive with Windows for their products, they get even better discounts. If you try to buy something with NO software on it then the hardware actually costs more so people buy stuff that already had MS pre-installed even if they don't want to use it and then wipe the MS stuff to install Linux or Bsd or something. The manufacturer is in a position to sell you a computer cheaper if it does not have Windows (or any other OS). You can see in the Asian markets manufacturers such as Acer, Asus and HP offering the same computer with or without Windows, no questions asked. The issue that the manufacturers have to deal with is that, if they some a computer (in US, EU) without Windows, they do not get the best discount for their Windows licenses, FOR their other computers with Windows preinstalled. See some examples at http://simos.info/blog/archives/1021 Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: interesting article
Le 2011-04-18 05:37, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : I am not sure this is the place to post this, but here is an article that might be worth posting somewhere with other articles about LibreOffice http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss LONG LIVE LIBRE OFFICE :) It had already been listed on the LibreOffice in the Press wiki page. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] RE: Concerned about Table formatting in Writer
My response below was meant for an earlier message of mine that contained the following text. Sorry for not properly dealing with this 25 year old technology. I am either posting to the wrong list, or apparantly there are no supporters to get this problem fixed. PZ ---original It has taken me quite a while to get some insight into the table formatting issues. Twenty six year old Listserv lists are not the most effective means of knowledge sharing. That set aside, the fact of the matter is that maintaining a company style in Writer tables is a rather tedious chore. I maintain a couple of 1000+ page documents which contain many tables. For this type and size of document, Writer is superb over the competition. There is however one but... That is the lack of table styles. I tried as a work around to apply a user defined autoformat to all tables. But unfortunately there is a bug in autoformats. Back in 20008 this bug has already been reported to the OOo community (http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=94630). I have later on added comments to that report. Because it got little attention, I have taken the liberty of posting it with reference again to the Libo community (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31005). Forgive me if I have infringed on the rules of double posting by doing so. I found the issue important enough to bring to the attention again, and I must admit, also as a test to see if Libo was really going to live up with its promises. I have discussed this issue directly with two core actors in the Libo community who bot advised me to post the problem on this list. Unfortunately I am not a programmer, so I can not solve this myself. I can offer my time for thoroughly testing any early or late implementations that solve this problem. For me the solution is not necessarily in fixing the table autoformats. A more principled solution using table styles or table cell styles (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34391) would be great. I would appreciate that solving this issue would get a higher priority than it presently has. -Original Message- From: Pieter E. Zanstra [mailto:pie...@zanstra.eu] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 1:19 PM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] RE: Concerned about Table formatting in Writer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Concerned about Table formatting in Writer
Hello Pieter, Pieter E. Zanstra wrote (18-04-11 21:40) I am either posting to the wrong list, or apparantly there are no supporters to get this problem fixed. PZ [ snip ] That set aside, the fact of the matter is that maintaining a company style in Writer tables is a rather tedious chore. I maintain a couple of 1000+ page documents which contain many tables. For this type and size of document, Writer is superb over the competition. There is however one but... That is the lack of table styles. I tried as a work around to apply a user defined autoformat to all tables. But unfortunately there is a bug in autoformats. Back in 20008 this bug has already been reported to the OOo community (http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=94630). [ snip ] I have discussed this issue directly with two core actors in the Libo community who bot advised me to post the problem on this list. Unfortunately I am not a programmer, so I can not solve this myself. I can offer my time for thoroughly testing any early or late implementations that solve this problem. For me the solution is not necessarily in fixing the table autoformats. A more principled solution using table styles or table cell styles (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34391) would be great. I would appreciate that solving this issue would get a higher priority than it presently has. Thanks for (again) posting. I saw your initial message too. And yes, I too think it would be fine to have a better solution then the current one. However, it is not easy to predict how the issue will be picked up. 1st, you have to get attention. You did that. The fact that you do not get replies, does not imply that your mail is not noticed. 2nd. Since developers are busy and the list with wishes, needs etc is lng, bringing is your own developing capacity is best guaranty that the problem will be solved. Ok, you are not a developer, but offer to help. Maybe you could try to find a developer who can work (start working) on it? Maybe via a bounty? Or find some funding, ... Since the development process of LibreOffice is really open, it could also help solving the issue if you were able to get an initial technical description, or a start of a patch done. That will raise attention and make it easier for others to step in. We will have a 2nd LibreOffice Hackers event in The Netherlands, probably early June, and I'll be glad to bring the issue to the attention of the people. But I cannot make any promise wrt interest of people, if it fits in their skills and time available etc. But .. who knows ;-) Hope this helps a bit, maybe you or someone else can continue with one of the ideas. Kind regards, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?
FREEZE PANE in my description is to hold/un-move table in a row or in one column, in Microsoft Excel it usually at 1st row and/or 1st column, so when you scroll opened document up-down or right-left the freeze row/column still on it place. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n2837271/freeze_pane_example.bmp on example above is row 1, so all table in row 1 is not move when document scrolled down. I hope this explanation not confusing. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ASK-How-to-use-FREEZE-PANE-tp2826876p2837271.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
Le 2011-04-18 15:11, RGB ES a écrit : Well, even if I'd said that the ancient forums vs mailing lists war was not the point but *what people use*, the forums vs. mailing lists useless fight came again... At first I was tempted to refer how the English forums have near 200 new message each day and talk about the madness it would be to receive near 200 mails each day. I was tempted to talk about how I'm giving on-line support to users since a long time (I started using computers more than 25 years ago) and justify the fact that I know quite well the advantages and disadvantages of every possible communication system in use for the last 20 years... Many things... But I'm giving up. Have a nice day! And don't worry to answer me, I'm unsubscribing from the mailing list. It would be sad to see you leave the discussion mailing list. Please do stay on, and to keep on contributing. Even if the topic of LibreOffice forums seems to always get very frustrating responses, the constant message that is given on this issue is to be patient. It has only been 6 months since the start of LibreOffice. The forums situation will eventually sort itself out. I can see quite a shake-up on the horizon with Oracle dropping support for the commercial OpenOffice.org suite and suggesting an OpenOffice.org community (who knows what will happen with the Trademark name -- hopefully it will be given to the LibreOffice project, as it should have right from the beginning). In the meantime, your contributions on the mailing lists are well appreciated and I hope you will reconsider. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?
Yes, it works. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ASK-How-to-use-FREEZE-PANE-tp2826876p2837301.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: ASK: How to use FREEZE PANE?
Yes, it works. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ASK-How-to-use-FREEZE-PANE-tp2826876p2837303.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On 2011/04/17 8:29 PM Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello aqualung, Am 2011-04-17 11:26:23, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: The http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ should be at or near the top. WHY? I think the first one should be the ORIGINAL mailinglist, because it is more ipmortant. Also WHY OpenOffice and not LibreOffice? Of you want an OpenOffice Forum, you should ask Oracle for it! :-D Did you read this discussion? Did you look at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ? If you had looked at the forum you would have seen that it is a User community support forum for OpenOffice.org, StarOffice, NeoOffice and LibreOffice. Some people on this list stated that support forums already existed and there is no need for a new one. Aqualung was suggesting that there to be links to them on the support pages. As for your inane statement Of you want an OpenOffice Forum, you should ask Oracle for it!, you should do some research before making such an idiotic comment. Your attitude is an insult to all of us at that forum who provide support for OpenOffice.org and all its derivatives, including LibreOffice. Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a community forum, it was set up back in 2007 on (then) Sun servers, which are currently controlled by Oracle. Considering last week's announcement from Oracle about turning OpenOffice.org over to the community, you have to wonder how long Oracle will allow that forum to be hosted on their servers, and if it gets booted off, where will it go? The second is http://www.oooforum.org. The person who set it up wanted to help support OpenOffice.org, but unfortunately, he has been largely absent for years. It was dissatisfaction with the running of this forum that led many moderators and users to fork and set up the previously mentioned forum. The OOoForum is getting slammed with spam, and the software running the site hasn't been updated in years (not since well before the 2007 split), not to mention the fact that the userbase is not what it once was. But I do believe that forums are generally easier for users than mailing lists, but right now, I can't really recommend either of these alternatives. Jason Corfman comput...@corfyscorner.com - www.corfyscorner.com -- Take back the Internet! www.getfirefox.com and www.getthunderbird.com -- Get Legal - Get LibreOffice http://www.libreoffice.org Linux user #384496 - Ubuntu User #15390 On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:11 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Well, even if I'd said that the ancient forums vs mailing lists war was not the point but *what people use*, the forums vs. mailing lists useless fight came again... At first I was tempted to refer how the English forums have near 200 new message each day and talk about the madness it would be to receive near 200 mails each day. I was tempted to talk about how I'm giving on-line support to users since a long time (I started using computers more than 25 years ago) and justify the fact that I know quite well the advantages and disadvantages of every possible communication system in use for the last 20 years... Many things... But I'm giving up. Have a nice day! And don't worry to answer me, I'm unsubscribing from the mailing list. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:15 -0400, Jason Corfman wrote: From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a community forum, it was set up back in 2007 on (then) Sun servers, which are currently controlled by Oracle. Considering last week's announcement from Oracle about turning OpenOffice.org over to the community, you have to wonder how long Oracle will allow that forum to be hosted on their servers, and if it gets booted off, where will it go? Hi Jason, I think that is precisely what prompted Ricardo to venture over here and ask the question he did - he and some of others where looking to reach out and see if this group might be willing to step in if that happened - It didn't go so well. so - If you think that neither of the OO.o forums are good alternatives what would you suggest? Also - There is already ancillary forums going up that are LibreOffice specific, or at least carry the LibO name, two are German language only (one straight phpBB and one a Joomla mod) and one multi language (a Drupal mod), including English and German for that matter, so three German language web forums already . Thanks Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
