Re: [steering-discuss] SC call this weekend?

2011-06-02 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-02 19.13:

Tomorrow at dawn I'm leaving for a week-end in the south of France; I will
take my phone and my laptop but I won't be able to join the call:-)


no problem. I am also fine with postponing the call to next week, if 
more people cannot join (it's a long holiday weekend in some countries) 
but wanted to offer the option of having one anyways. :-)


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 09:51:09AM -0700, NoOp wrote:
 On 06/01/2011 09:23 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
  2011/6/1 NoOp ...
  More:
  
  http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm
  
 
  It will be interesting to see how this works out  how TDF will work
  with ASF.
 
 
  Fascinating, NoOp - wheels within wheels ! Thanks for posting this !...
 
  Henri
 

 TDF's Statement:
 http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/01/statement-about-oracles-move-to-donate-openoffice-org-assets-to-the-apache-foundation/

 TDF's statement included :

 Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code that has previously been
 proprietary to the Apache Software Foundation, it is great to see key
 user features released in a form that can be included into LibreOffice.

 Since when is OOo proprietary?


There are probably some proprietary components that were added to the
StarOffice product,
and did not make it to OpenOffice.org.

I would have preferred the above statement to have two commas placed
in there, as in

Today we welcome Oracle’s donation of code, that has previously been
proprietary, to the Apache Software Foundation. It is great to see key
user features released in a form that can be included into
LibreOffice.

Simos

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread Gianluca Turconi
2011/6/1 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 More:
 
 http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/statements-on-openofficeorg-contribution-to-apache-nasdaq-orcl-1521400.htm
 

 It will be interesting to see how this works out  how TDF will work
 with ASF.


And IBM  will *directly *contribute to the Apache new project!

See: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss

Regards,

Gianluca

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread plino
Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the
answers by Rob Weir)

http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread Michael Münch
Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 03:14 -0700 schrieb plino:
 Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the
 answers by Rob Weir)
 
 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html

The most interesting part is probably this (comment 19):

The fact that there are no public reports of our private meeting and
private email conversations with TDF Steering Committee members means
absolutely nothing. You might ask your favorite TDF SC member who they
were talking to on April 28th at 9am EDT. Perhaps that will help refresh
their memory. And if you think that the general membership of TDF was
not made aware of this opportunity, then who is to blame: me, or your
own unelected, self-appointed Steering Committee ? If you think that you
should have been informed of this opportunity, and wish that your SC had
been more open to cooperating in this move, then I think you should
complain to them.

I do not think there should be more or any cooperation there.

But if there have been these talks and decisions not only without
informing the community or interested public but even without
participating the already approved document foundation members[1] I
would be pretty upset. Although it is obvious that making that public
would have lead to complicated discussions on the mailing lists and
probably some not so happy Oracle/IBM people, following these corporate
- behind closed door and intransparent - decision making is not
something a community should strive for, even if the alternatives are
harder.

Regards,
Michael


[1] I am not, so I am not sure if they were informed.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 02/06/2011 13:13, Michael Münch a écrit :
 Am Donnerstag, den 02.06.2011, 03:14 -0700 schrieb plino:
 Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the
 answers by Rob Weir)

 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html
 
 The most interesting part is probably this (comment 19):

 The fact that there are no public reports of our private meeting and
 private email conversations with TDF Steering Committee members means
 absolutely nothing.
 [...]

It seems to me that TDF did not had to make a decision. The need of a
decision was on the Oracle side since their announce on the 2011-04-14.

It is very naive (or maybe bad faith) to believe that negotiations can
be made in public as suggested by Rob Weir, when some partners of the
discussion do not want a public discussion. If Oracle and IBM had
intended that the discussions are public, I am sure they would have
informed the community about this.

Best regards
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[tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread NoOp
On 06/02/2011 03:14 AM, plino wrote:
 Another interesting article (especially the comments on the post and the
 answers by Rob Weir)
 
 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.html
...
Marbux speaks out:
http://www.itworld.com/marbux
(Paul E. (Marbux) Merrell, J.D. )
commenting on:
http://www.itworld.com/software/170521/big-winner-apache-openofficeorg



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation's Incubator

2011-06-02 Thread Cor Nouws

Gianluca Turconi wrote (02-06-11 09:48)


And IBM  will *directly *contribute to the Apache new project!

See: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss


All it says:  . As part of today's news, IBM will contribute staff 
resources to collaborate with the Apache community during the project's 
incubation period to further the Open Document Format standard.   


Great joy ?

Cor

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