Re: [tdf-discuss] Steam Distribution Inquiry

2011-07-04 Thread Kevin André 
Isn't anyone going to answer this? Or has it been discussed privately?


Regards,

Kevin André


On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 20:16, Mark Richardson  wrote:
>>   Hello,
>>
>>   We would like to discuss distributing LibreOffice through our worldwide 
>> digital platform, Steam.  We are a leader in video game distribution and 
>> service.  We are launching an application store in October and would like to 
>> include LibreOffice.  You can find us at Steampowered.com.
>>
>>   We are a worldwide distributor with 30 million customers, in 22 languages, 
>> 21 localized payment forms and 3 currencies.
>>
>>   Let me know when you might have a chance to discuss.
>>
>>   Sincerely,
>>   Mark Richardson
>>   ma...@valvesoftware.com
>>   425-952-2785

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Steam Distribution Inquiry

2011-07-04 Thread Charles-H. Schulz 
Hello Kevin,

I have contacted Mark off list, and so far didn't get any answer.

best,

Charles.

2011/7/4 Kevin André 

> Isn't anyone going to answer this? Or has it been discussed privately?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin André
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 20:16, Mark Richardson 
> wrote:
> >>   Hello,
> >>
> >>   We would like to discuss distributing LibreOffice through our
> worldwide digital platform, Steam.  We are a leader in video game
> distribution and service.  We are launching an application store in October
> and would like to include LibreOffice.  You can find us at Steampowered.com.
> >>
> >>   We are a worldwide distributor with 30 million customers, in 22
> languages, 21 localized payment forms and 3 currencies.
> >>
> >>   Let me know when you might have a chance to discuss.
> >>
> >>   Sincerely,
> >>   Mark Richardson
> >>   ma...@valvesoftware.com
> >>   425-952-2785
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread Ian Lynch 
>
> Sorry to come in late on this thread, but there is an android ODF reader:
>> http://www.androidzoom.com/**android_applications/**
>> productivity/odf-viewer_mnhl.**html
>
>
> It seems to have rather come to a halt, but there may be code there which
> could be massaged into a reader (?)
>
> I'm in no way a developer, and have little experience with the reader,
> other than finding it can't open encrypted files. I suggested this to the
> developer, but he indicated he wasn't actually working on the project
> currently.
>

Just looked in the Android market on my Samsung Galaxy S. Found OpenOffice
Document Reader by Tom Tasche >250,000 downloads.

ODF viewer by olidroide 5-1 downloads

So looks like there are several odf viewers out there.

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[tdf-discuss] Poll Daily-Builds usage - we need your experience

2011-07-04 Thread Rainer Bielefeld 

Hello,

we are just busy trying to improve usability of the Daily Builds, and we 
need your experience to do the job.


You can find more information on 
.


If you ever used those builds from
 and want to help, please 
answer this short poll without any additional information!


1 My OS is:  Linux   WIN   MAC
2 Update Info:   Useful   superfluous
  (would be)
3 I test:frequently   occasionally   once in a blue moon
4 I test for:
5 My suggestion:
(for improvement)


How To:
---
For your answer, please do not cite the original posting, but
- click ANSWER
- delete all mail contents from new mail
  (except Subject, of course)
- Copy paste 1-5 from this mail and
  -- delete as applicable for 1-3
  -- leave a short statement for 4 (what tests do you do with
 those builds), 5.

If you want to contribute more comprehensive information please use
 
or even better the related discussion page.


Thank you for your help and kind regards

Rainer Bielefeld



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[tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread NoOp 
On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote:
>>
>> > Manfred wrote:
>> >
>> > "I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final
>> versions
>> > of text (and maybe other office) documents."
>> >
>> > I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only
>> > likely to be read from a screen.
>>
>> I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent
>> need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and
>> so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily
>> altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't.
>>
> 
> No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for
> read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity
> from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular
> format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses.
> 
> So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the
> very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit.
...
This might be of interest:

http://andreasgal.com/2011/06/15/pdf-js/
[pdf.js: Rendering PDF with HTML5 and JavaScript]
http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2011/07/03/pdf-js-first-milestone/
[pdf.js reached its first milestone]
https://wiki.mozilla.org/PDF.js

Perhaps that could be modifed/integrated to also view .odt etc?




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Poll Daily-Builds usage - we need your experience

2011-07-04 Thread Christoph Noack 
1 My OS is: Linux 
2 Update Info:  ???
3 I test:   occasionally
4 I test for:   User Experience related issues (new / changed behavior)
5 My suggestion:
(for improvement)
  * Regular / on-demand CWS builds to separate changes (regularly, I
stumbled over other issues that prevented testing the features I
was interested in)
  * Some possibility to easily track what items are included in the
build (e.g. bug fixes, Easy Hacks)
  * Somehow stable naming scheme for the builds to easily download /
install them in a VM via e.g. scripts (reduced effort on my
side)

Note: Maybe some of the "issues" are already solved - but then I'm
unaware of that. I'm computer enthusiast, but by no means a
developer :-\


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Derman 

NoOp wrote:

On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
  

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote:



On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote:

  

Manfred wrote:

"I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final


versions
  

of text (and maybe other office) documents."

I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only
likely to be read from a screen.


I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent
need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and
so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily
altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't.

  

No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for
read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity
from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular
format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses.

So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the
very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit.

Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create 
and edit HTML?



Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo 
Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can 
create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to 
small businesses if it could do it even better. 


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Poll Daily-Builds usage - we need your experience

2011-07-04 Thread plino 
1 My OS is:  WIN
2 Update Info:   Useful
   (would be)
3 I test:frequently
4 I test for: consistency, compatibility with MS formats
5 My suggestion:  obviously daily builds need to be from the latest branch,
not from rc1...
(for improvement)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread Simon Cropper 

On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote:


On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote:


Manfred wrote:

"I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final

versions

of text (and maybe other office) documents."

I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is
only
likely to be read from a screen.

I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a
frequent
need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance
schedule and
so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot
be easily
altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't.


No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for
read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity
from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular
format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses.

So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade
the
very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit.

Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create
and edit HTML?


Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo
Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can
create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to
small businesses if it could do it even better.


Hi Robert,

There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many 
platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a good 
package email me directly with some details of the platform you are 
using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some links 
to you.


In regards to PDF readers, again many options exist. Why does LO need to 
create something new or fork an existing project. Look around everyone, 
there are many good PDF readers - foss and freeware.


I think the expectation that LO is everything for everyone is over the 
top, people need to stop looking for an office suite that will bundle 
every package you could possibly want.


IMHO.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Derman 

Simon Cropper wrote:

On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps  
wrote:



On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote:


Manfred wrote:

"I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final

versions

of text (and maybe other office) documents."

I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is
only
likely to be read from a screen.

I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a
frequent
need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance
schedule and
so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot
be easily
altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't.


No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for
read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read 
(activity

from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular
format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses.

So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade
the
very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit.

Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create
and edit HTML?


Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo
Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can
create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to
small businesses if it could do it even better.


Hi Robert,

There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many 
platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a 
good package email me directly with some details of the platform you 
are using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some 
links to you.
Many people don't realize that sometimes the best tool isn't the one 
that is best designed or does the best job, but rather the one that you 
are most familiar with.  If you read my last paragraph above, very 
carefully, you will notice that it is in the past tense.  I don't have a 
web page any more.  The reason that I used OOo for this was that I only 
spent about 15 minutes a week doing HTML, so finding a program and then 
learning a program that was designed specifically for this purpose just 
didn't seem like a worthwhile investment of time.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

2011-07-04 Thread Simon Cropper 

On 05/07/11 14:34, Robert Derman wrote:

Simon Cropper wrote:

On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps 
wrote:


On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote:


Manfred wrote:

"I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final

versions

of text (and maybe other office) documents."

I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is
only
likely to be read from a screen.

I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a
frequent
need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance
schedule and
so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot
be easily
altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't.


No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for
read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read
(activity
from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular
format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses.

So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade
the
very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit.

Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create
and edit HTML?


Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo
Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can
create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to
small businesses if it could do it even better.


Hi Robert,

There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many
platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a
good package email me directly with some details of the platform you
are using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some
links to you.

>

Many people don't realize that sometimes the best tool isn't the one
that is best designed or does the best job, but rather the one that you
are most familiar with. If you read my last paragraph above, very
carefully, you will notice that it is in the past tense. I don't have a
web page any more. The reason that I used OOo for this was that I only
spent about 15 minutes a week doing HTML, so finding a program and then
learning a program that was designed specifically for this purpose just
didn't seem like a worthwhile investment of time.



Fair enough.

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