[tdf-discuss] Re: Support for Versions, Full-Screen, and Resume in OS X Lion

2011-09-09 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Karl Behler karl.behler at ipp.mpg.de writes:

 What I know from other platforms (Solaris/Linux) is that autosave saves 
 into a hidden file in the background not destroying your last saved 
 document.

You are confusing autosave as implemented in random applications (including OOo
and LO) for a long time, and a separate and different feature with the same name
in OS X Lion (and later), implemented mainly in the system library level .

 Please do not abandon the autosave and recovery feature from soffice.

Don't be scared and confused.

 If it's missing on some platforms 

it is not. What is being discussed in this thread is perhaps making use of
*another* thing, a feature of the operating system, on OS X Lion.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Bob Williams
On Thursday 08 Sep 2011 01:16:27 NoOp wrote:
 For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
 consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.

[trimmed excellent discussion of the merits of trimming and interspersing 
replies]

NoOp, I applaud your attempt to get some consistency of posting in the LO 
lists, but I fear you're flogging a dead horse. This is one of those topics 
that will never go away, and I have seen it discussed ad nauseam | infinitum 
on many different lists since I starting using Usenet over ten years ago.

Nevertheless, I wish you luck. :)

Bob

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[tdf-discuss] wiki edit: suggesting further edit, requesting approval

2011-09-09 Thread Terrence Enger
I have just edited the wiki page How to build LibreOffice
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%
2FNative_Buildaction=historysubmitdiff=36230oldid=36124
to say that ccache is enabled by default if found.

The edit which removed that information (because it was not
true at the time)
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%
2FNative_Buildaction=historysubmitdiff=32426oldid=32398
also removed instructions about the Mac.  As I know nothing
about the Mac, I have said nothing about it.  Perhaps
somebody with the appropriate knowlege would care to think
about whether the instructions should go back into the page?

This is my first edit to the LibreOffice wiki.  Should I
generally expect missteps to be noticed quickly?  Or should
I tell people (here?) when I have done something?

Thanks,
Terry.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


The links do not lead me to assume that top posting is expected. If the 
documentation group desires bottom posting only, the user should be 
informed when the register. Even then, I expect that most people will 
miss it. Expecting someone to follow a link and then follow another link 
seems a wee bit unlikely.


Bottom posting is great when a message is not read in context of the 
other messages. When I read threaded messages, it is annoying to wade 
through the message history before I arrive at the content of interest. 
I might prefer, therefore, that people be prodded into seriously 
shortening content from all previous posters to only contain the 
portions relevant to their reply.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Richard
Yeah! A man without unnecessary limitations.
I believe cropping is a solution to the problem.
I understand, but dislike being forced to read
the whole thread. There is an argument for
reading the whole thing but I believe that
it does not need to be dogma.

regards,
Richard.

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 wrote:


 The links do not lead me to assume that top posting is expected. If the
 documentation group desires bottom posting only, the user should be informed
 when the register. Even then, I expect that most people will miss it.
 Expecting someone to follow a link and then follow another link seems a wee
 bit unlikely.

 Bottom posting is great when a message is not read in context of the other
 messages. When I read threaded messages, it is annoying to wade through the
 message history before I arrive at the content of interest. I might prefer,
 therefore, that people be prodded into seriously shortening content from all
 previous posters to only contain the portions relevant to their reply.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Ken Springer

On 9/9/11 3:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:


The links do not lead me to assume that top posting is expected. If the
documentation group desires bottom posting only, the user should be
informed when the register. Even then, I expect that most people will
miss it. Expecting someone to follow a link and then follow another link
seems a wee bit unlikely.

Bottom posting is great when a message is not read in context of the
other messages. When I read threaded messages, it is annoying to wade
through the message history before I arrive at the content of interest.
I might prefer, therefore, that people be prodded into seriously
shortening content from all previous posters to only contain the
portions relevant to their reply.


If you read the Learn to Quote link on the netiquette page, it gets into 
why bottom posting and interspersion is or should be the desired way.


But like you, I think the LO people need to specify it directly on the 
page, even better would be for them to actually write their own 
netiquette page.




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak


On 09/09/2011 06:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/9/11 3:40 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:


The links do not lead me to assume that top posting is expected. If the
documentation group desires bottom posting only, the user should be
informed when the register. Even then, I expect that most people will
miss it. Expecting someone to follow a link and then follow another link
seems a wee bit unlikely.

Bottom posting is great when a message is not read in context of the
other messages. When I read threaded messages, it is annoying to wade
through the message history before I arrive at the content of interest.
I might prefer, therefore, that people be prodded into seriously
shortening content from all previous posters to only contain the
portions relevant to their reply.


If you read the Learn to Quote link on the netiquette page, it gets 
into why bottom posting and interspersion is or should be the desired 
way.


Read it many times. I remain unconvinced. Their points assume a single 
style of reading email.


I read my email in a threaded view. Usually, I have already read 
everything but the latest reply, so, the the top portion of the message 
is not required (and is therefore ignored). Unfortunately, it is common 
for there to be so much of the message included, that I need to scroll 
to view the new text. In other words, it is less efficient and it wastes 
my time. (to put it into context, I have counted the steps required to 
get to my car when I leave work by different routes)


I receive a very large volume of email. It is usually less than 1000 
messages a day, but, still, the time and physical movements to scroll to 
the bottom of each message is sufficient to stress my wrists and hands. 
So, if I can skim the new content in less than two seconds, and it takes 
me longer than that to even get to the new content, well, then I more 
than double the time I spend skimming email.


The bigger concern for me is neither bottom nor top posting, it is 
trimming the message if you do not top post. With a top post, I can 
trivially see the response.


But like you, I think the LO people need to specify it directly on the 
page, even better would be for them to actually write their own 
netiquette page.


If they care, they should write it. Yes.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

2011-09-09 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

On 09/09/2011 10:01 PM, Richard wrote:

Yeah! A man without unnecessary limitations.


Sadly, I have many unnecessary limitations :-)


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