[steering-discuss] SPI donation page
Hi all, Following Norbert remark, I've asked SPI how to appear on their donation page. Here is what we need in order to do so: - have an address (e-mail) where the donation notifications should be sent. As the liaison, I can give mine (gautier.sop...@documentfoundation.org) if you want, - provide a donation description, something like: Donation to support the LibreOffice projet. The LibreOffice office suite is base on the ODF file format standard, includes features such as a text processor, a spreadsheet and presentation and database modules. It is used by individual and organization worldwide. (copied from the Debian one ;), - a receipt message (up to 800 chars) like Thank you for your contribution in support of the LibreOffice project and The Document Foundation. something better is welcome. Thanks in advance for your help and feedback. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
How about the discuss@ list with a [Base] prefix? Best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) No, it's a few individuals scattered across a few different lists. Bringing the few people together might be enough to help them start getting some work done. One more mailing list might not be enough but it could be a good start. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:04 Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Don't be sorry. First of all, it's all imho. Second, it's not that it's too much trouble. It's a matter of management and efficiency. Small and large FOSS projects tend to be rather conservative when it comes to opening new lists and the way it's supposed to work is not that if you have a mailing list, something will happen, but the opposite (if something happens with enough momentum it becomes threads and threads of discussion and actual work, then create a mailing list). The risk is that you end up with twenty different mailing list you won't follow,but worse, most of these mailing lists won't have an actual workig purpose.I think if there's a team that is fixing bugs on Base and liaising with documentation volunteers right now but facing communication issues, then there might be an interest. On the other hand, these things tend to evolve overtime and the situation can change :-) ... best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ok, sorry i asked. If it's too much trouble to set up a list then it's not worth it. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:58 I thought everyone was on discuss@. However your argument of yet another list is almost a contradiction with your initial request. And I'm sure if there's an interest to work on Base, then people will cope with being on an existing list. best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) People are often unwilling to join yet another list as it would mean having to deal with a ton of irrelevant emails. Individuals might be willing to join a low-traffic list specific to Base but not yet another list that just provides so much distraction. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:43 How about the discuss@ list with a [Base] prefix? Best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) No, it's a few individuals scattered across a few different lists. Bringing the few people together might be enough to help them start getting some work done. One more mailing list might not be enough but it could be a good start. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:04 Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi Tom, On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 14:39 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. Is there already a diverse set of private mails on the topic ? that show a mailing list is useful ? the developers list discusses work on all components - and of course the idea of a Base: suffix is there. Also - given the volume of devs. on the dev list you may well get some advice and assistance :-) At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things What needs to be done before the bug fixing starts - that's what I'm interested in ? :-) I see Lionel fixing some bugs but ... ;-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI :) Base needs to have some documentation to help devs understand what it's trying to do. With the other apps it's much easier to have an overview even without having any documentation but Base is a lot more complex. Also there needs to be some discussion between devs and other people to decide what to use instead of java, and the direction to take generally. Apparently the default HqSql back-end is fairly troublesome but there is a new project MariaDb that is a drop-in replacement for MySql that might be much better as a back-end. MariaDb is basically almost the entire community that worked on MySql including some of the original people plus a load of new people that joined since the project broke free from Sun/Oracle. MariaDB is like MySql, so it is a nice and powerful database, but too heavy weight(*) for a 'default' back-end. SQLite sound like a much better match for the task. (*) by too heavy weight, I'm referring to installation, configuration, need for started-task/daemon, need for periodic maintenance etc... Anyway it needs a small team of people to try out different back-ends to see which are viable as back-ends and which might be easiest to have as the default one. Perhaps bringing their recommendation back to steering-discuss to make an informed vote. That's not how it works... voting is not the answer... doing is. I'm pretty sure that if somebody step up to make a viable support for a self-contained back-end, it will fidn its way into the code by consensus, without the need for a 'vote', or getting the steering commity or future BoD involved in any ways. BTW this is already listed as an 'Easy Hack' : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#default_to_SQLite_not_HSQLDB_in_Base So clearly this is not a technical/political disagreement, but just a matter of someone stepping up to do the work... As i understand it the current infra-structure is leading to Base gently crumbling away through neglect. It is not an infrastructure problem. it is a lack of interest problem. Experienced devs steer well away from Base. New ones need to learn more understanding about coding or about Base or about both. Every time an individual joins and is keen to work on some aspect of Base they realise it's a completely tangled mess and they would be the only person working on it so they get discouraged and give-up. That is true for every part of the product. the effort needed to find your way in the code is high, and base is not special in that regard. I seriously doubt that it is easier to find your way around writer than it is to find your way around base. Yes it would be great to have input from the entire devs list but 1. They are not interested in Base That is indeed a problem, but I fail to see how starting to section the community vertically ( vs horizontally like the ml are now) will help 2. The non-coders that want to do non-coding work on Base (eg Documentation, perhaps marketing, perhaps design of aspects of the UI that only appear in Base, the wizards and so on) would be unable to understand. I don't understand what you mean with that paragraph... Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] SPI donation page
On 11 Sep 2011, at 11:57, Sophie Gautier wrote: - have an address (e-mail) where the donation notifications should be sent. As the liaison, I can give mine (gautier.sop...@documentfoundation.org) if you want While there's no problem at all doing this, my experience in multiple groups suggests it's better to create a role alias like spi-donati...@documentfoundation.org and then subscribe at least two people to it. This delivers at least two benefits: * When the responsibility changes, it is a purely internal matter to redirect the messages; * Having an alias allows the responsibility to be shared so that people can take a vacation! In other contexts it's also helped with record-keeping (if the alias includes an archiver), audit and transparency. HTH S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] automatic update for links
Hello, I have one request wich could let me quit Excel. I need to have the following feature ( include in Excel, but not yet in LibreOffice for now ) I work mainly with links between several files. It means that a lot of cells have to show values of other cells of different files. LibreOffice does'nt get automatic updates of these links, only manual. ( except for DDE links ). I don't really like DDE links, to heavy to use. ( In one file, I have more than 10.000 links, so I need very reactive links modules ). Could you let me know if you intend to improve these features in the future ? Or maybe give a solution. This problem is the only show stopper bug to implement LibreOffice. In advance, thank you for you answer. Jean-Marie Vangoethem -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/automatic-update-for-links-tp3326755p3326755.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] automatic update for links
On 11 September 2011 12:12, jmvangoethem jm.vangoet...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have one request wich could let me quit Excel. I need to have the following feature ( include in Excel, but not yet in LibreOffice for now ) I work mainly with links between several files. It means that a lot of cells have to show values of other cells of different files. LibreOffice does'nt get automatic updates of these links, only manual. ( except for DDE links ). I don't really like DDE links, to heavy to use. ( In one file, I have more than 10.000 links, so I need very reactive links modules ). Could you let me know if you intend to improve these features in the future ? Or maybe give a solution. This problem is the only show stopper bug to implement LibreOffice. In advance, thank you for you answer. Jean-Marie Vangoethem -- Hi Jean-Marie This does seem to work OK for me using Data Define Range in the source file and Insert Link to External Data... in the target file. Note that you need to Save the source file for its data changes to become available. You can also set the time between updates. Tony -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Support for Versions, Full-Screen, and Resume in OS X Lion
Sorry for the confusion, reading the whole thread is advantageous. Am 09.09.2011 14:27, schrieb Tor Lillqvist: You are confusing autosave ... and a separate and different feature with the same name in OS X Lion (and later), implemented mainly in the system library level . Meanwhile I recognized that. Don't be scared and confused. Oh, I'm not really scared. it is not. What is being discussed in this thread is perhaps making use of *another* thing, a feature of the operating system, on OS X Lion. I understood that this is a new feature which does not seem ripe with respect to it's implementation and behaviour under certain circumstances. (As Charles already pointed out even the MacOS world is discussing this issue. http://tidbits.com/article/12483) And Charles explained the right thing and I now fully understand and support his apprehension at least for the time being. However, discussion with some MacOS users gave me the impression that on the long run the MacOS way of autosave and resume has to be supported by anybody who wants to play with the other big boys. Karl -- Karl Behler sen., Garching, Germany -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
On 9/11/11 10:35 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/10/2011 07:31 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 9/9/11 11:24 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/09/2011 06:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Read it many times. I remain unconvinced. Their points assume a single style of reading email. I don't think I agree totally. I think their points apply to reading newsgroups, not email. :-) I think the two should be kept separate since they server different purposes. Ahh, yes indeed. You are correct sir. Seriously, though, I checked the source for your message, and we both are using Thunderbird 6. Within the last week, I learned about the QuoteCollapse add-on. It takes each quoted section of a reply, and collapses it to one line. There's a little plus sign that will let you expand that section to full length. It's great for those posts where there's been no trimming, but lots of replies. I usually avoid add-ons because I consider them a potential cause for instability (well, it seemed true for web browsers). In this case, however, I made an exception. Very nice indeed. That certainly helps with all those gratuitous posters. If they care, they should write it. Yes. Or, given the resources they have, a dedicated netiquette page is just too far down the priority list, and/or no one has offered to do it. Those that feel strongly about it should push it through and do the work. I do not want them to make the decision that only bottom posting should be done. I have no desire for them to do this, I just want people to play nice. Even if they did push it through, if no one enforces the eventual rule, the time will be wasted. I'd prefer interspersion, as I almost always have to scroll around somewhere in order to remember what was being replied to. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thunderbird 6.0.2 LibreOffice 3.3.3 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
