Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Hi Gary, NoOp wrote (30-09-11 03:46) After all that + discussions on the -user list it seems that LO doesn't really care to provide any specific rules/regulations/FAQ regarding Top/Interspersed/Bottom posting on any of their lists. [...] Has not yet been forgotten. But to manage expectations: it won't be a medicine for all cures you know ;-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Top posted on purpose. After all that + discussions on the -user list it seems that LO doesn't really care to provide any specific rules/regulations/FAQ regarding Top/Interspersed/Bottom posting on any of their lists. So I'll abandon the topic and in the future when this issue comes up simply reply that on LO lists it's WFC (WhoFinallyCares - to be polite). I must say that I *am* surprised that LO haven't the technical/political ability/tenacity to properly post information regarding this issue in the same manner as the links provided (OOo, Mozilla, Ubuntu, et al). May you all endure the continued threads that are liable to crop up regarding this in each list in the future. On 09/07/2011 05:16 PM, NoOp wrote: > For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please > consider bottom posting with interspersed replies. > > I realiz(s)e that the existing: > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ > doesn't specifically clarify anything with regards to top/bottom > posting. However at the bottom of each mail on this list is a link to: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > That page doesn't help much either, but it /does/ include a link to: > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > which includes this bit: > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.3 > > > 2.3 Why should I place my response below the quoted text? > > Usually, the reading-flow is from left to right and from top to bottom, > and people expect a chronological sequence similar to this. Especially > people who are reading a lot of articles (and who therefore would > qualify as the ideal person to answer your question) appreciate it if > they can read at first the text to which you are referring. The quoted > text is some kind of help to remember the topic, which of course will > not work, if you place the quoted text below your response. > > Furthermore, that's the standard. This may sound as a weak argument, but > since people are not used to reading the other way around, they have no > idea what you are referring to and have to go back and forth between the > referenced articles, have to jump between different articles and so on. > In short - reading the article becomes more and more difficult - for > people who read many articles it is reason enough to skip the entire > article, if the context is not obvious. > > And besides: doesn't it look stupid to first get the answer and then see > the question? (Aside from Jeopardy, of course.) > > Furthermore, you (yes: You) save a lot of time using this way of > quoting: You do not need to repeat what the person you refer to wrote, > in order to show the context. You just place your comment after the text > you wish to comment upon, and everybody immediately knows what you refer > to. Also, you realize which text you are *not* responding to and can > delete these parts. > > So: using this technique you save time, your readers don't have to waste > time, you save bandwidth and disk-space. Isn't it great what you can > achieve by such simple means? > > > and that seems to imply that such posting styles on this list are the > desired guideline. > > Samples of similar on other lists: > > http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html > > Top-posting vs bottom-posting. > > Some people like to put reply after the quoted text, some like it > the other way around, and still some prefer interspersed style. Debates > about which posting style is better have led to many flame wars in the > forums. To keep forum discussion friendly, please do interspersion with > trimming (see above for trimming rules). For a simple reply, this is > equivalent bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous material, and place > your comments in logical order, after the text you are commenting upon. > The only exceptions are the accessibility forums, which are top-posting. > > > http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists > > Proper quoting: > > Proper quoting is very important on mailing lists, to ensure that it is > easy to follow the conversation. There are four fundamental rules: > > > > Write your email underneath the email which you are replying to. > ... > > > and even: > http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html > > Replying > When replying to other people it is customary to intersperse your > response with their questions, both so you can answer the actual > question that was asked, and so everyone else has some idea what you are > talking about. It is also customary to limit your quoting to the minimum > possible to get your point across. Take the time to be considerate, > remember those subscribers who have slow, expensive connections. > > > Note: that last is liable to go away given the recent > transition/announcements by Apache regarding mail lists... but it's > worth mentioning anyway. > > Eventually I hope that LO will actually include a link to general > posting guidelines on the >
[tdf-discuss] Res: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors
Excellent, Olivier ! I truly believe that you are a key person in LO development and adoption in Brazil, and I support your candidacy. Best, Jomar -Original Message- From: Olivier Hallot Sender: olivier.hallot@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:08:12 To: ; Reply-To: steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org Subject: [steering-discuss] Candidacy for Board of Directors I thereby announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat at the Document Foundation My name is Olivier Hallot, I am a 53 old electronic engineer living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I am a former researcher and executive of IBM and Oracle. I am involved with open source software since 2001, where I started working into the translation of OpenOffice.org for Brazilian Portuguese. I am a former member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council and founder of The Document Foundation, as well as a member of the Steering Committee. Today I am working as consultant in a large LibreOffice deployment project in a Brazilian enterprise and I am advising several LibreOffice projects and initiatives in Brazil. My Document Foundation resumé Since early 2010 I got involved into the design and birth of the Document Foundation and I became member of the Steering Committee since the beginning. During the last 12 month I have been participating into the decisions of the SC and I worked to allocate as much Brazilian resources as I could to TDF. I still hold the position of translator for Brazilian Portuguese (a market place well above one million users) and I have contributed into several bug reports and features lists necessary for large enterprise deployments. I also did some bug fixing directly into the code, less than I would like to, but time is short and the matter is complex. I have used my professional connections to leverage LibreOffice and TDF in many public companies and in government and I am actively pursuing the goal to increase the number of contributors to LO development. Why am I applying for the BoD? After one year of existence, the enormous amount of TDF members energy and sharp professionalism lead us to great achievements. We rock. The road ahead however seems to be another challenge for the Foundation: Secure the positions already obtained and move to address the needs of the multiple faces of the community, from individuals to enterprises, while understanding the marketplaces forces that will drive TDF ahead. Of great importance, it will be necessary to design and implement the correct business model for the Foundation sustainability and LibreOffice evolution. These are fields I am willing to contribute with my industry experience, connections and personal energy. I am available for further questions. Kind regards -- Olivier Hallot Founder and Steering Commitee Member The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Board Elections: Nomination Reminder [moved from announce@]
Hi Simon, On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:46:15 +0100 Simon Phipps wrote: > All candidates should also send a summary of their candidacy > announcement to electi...@documentfoundation.org - a compilation of > the summaries will be mailed to all registered voters several days > prior to the elections. Summaries should be no more than 75 words of > continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple paragraphs) and must > be received by the nomination deadline given above. Are these short summaries expected to be in third or first person? Reading a wild mix on election day(s) would be rather confusing and ugly, I would think. Best, Bjoern -- https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
