Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi *,

Cor Nouws wrote (29-10-11 00:16)


Now I wonder: what about the future of forums for LibreOffice?
It looks convenient to have all at one place. On the other side:
LibreOffice will grow to be different more and more. Different code
base, more functions.
So apart from that it is maybe not fair ;-) to profit too much on the
work of the forums at Apache (when life), it will be increasingly
insufficient for our own users.
Well, that is one way I could look at it.
But of course having own LibreOffice forums ask resources and especially
time..

What do other people think about this?


So looking at the contributions to this discussion so far - many thanks 
for those :-) - I see various subjects:

- about technical possibilities;
- some with politics;
- and the question itself.

Reading the various opinions, sooner or later, there will be fora, that 
are clearly recognised as linked to LibreOffice. Indeed, it is clear 
that there are various already in different languages.


For some time, I could personally live quite well with a forum that is 
clearly, visibly, independent serving LibreOffice and other suites. 
Since suggestions made in that direction seem to be more political than 
technical feasible, I can leave that illusion.

So the questions seems more: when are we going to create our own, then if.

Then there is the question about the technical background. I see lots of 
useful ideas and info on those. Obviously the solution must scale and 
allow for various languages.

Is there any need to hurry?
A first thing that could be done anyway, is creating the 'portal' to the 
forum, the link, on the website, so that is clearly shows our intention 
and where we are heading for?


Best

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[board-discuss] On project leads and formal roles

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Hello everyone,

This is a short reminder about our policy concerning formal roles and
project team leads.
We usually refrain from making any sort of statement on whether this or
that team needs a project lead or doesn't need one. We believe that in some
cases a team will need a lead and in some others, it won't. However any
lead elected by the team must understand that it is only an informal role
that has been appointed by a social convention, and one that is easily
undone.

The Document Foundation and the LibreOffice project acknowledges only
project contributors or TDF members; other, more formal roles are described
in our bylaws. Similarly, a project team lead or a team cannot engage in or
commit to working on itstelf with commercial entities for purposes specific
to the team's work or the project team lead. In the unlikely event where
such a question were to be seriously asked this needs to be decided solely
by the BoD.

Best regards,

Charles-H. Schulz,
Member of the Board of Directors,
The Document Foundation.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we sure not to release 3.4.4-RC3? This is the last release until February and 3.5.0 one!

[Carlo Strata]

Thank you Thorsten!

Carlo

Il 07/11/2011 17:43, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto:

Carlo Strata wrote:

That bug is not even fully analysed, let alone fixed yet - so why
should we even start pondering to delay a release of an otherwise
improved version?

You are right, but this one is the only one I read about in these
days and that is a regression...
I'm sure there are some other ones ("3.4's most annoying bugs")...


Hi Carlo,

sure - but either there's a safe fix, that the responsible devs have
been poked with&  that got cherry-picked in time for -3-4 - or
there isn't. Probably all I want to say is that your mail comes
some 2-3 weeks late - please remind people to review fixes before
release tagging happens.

As many others have said before, the point of time-based releases is
to get fixes shipped to users, instead of being caught in that "just
one more fix" dead-lock.

Nothing prevents us from doing another release from the libo-3-4
branch next year, and surely over the time, this branch will
acculumate more useful fixes than just this one Calc bug.


I say this because Rainer (Bielefeld) told me (on September the 1st,
2011) that TDF are fixing all bugs in Master trunk (3.5) and cherry
pick something good for 3.4's releases... This means that 3.5 may be
better than any 3.4 is now and will ever be.


Absolutely! That's the whole point in development, to make a better
version! :)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we sure not to release 3.4.4-RC3? This is the last release until February and 3.5.0 one!

[Carlo Strata]

Il 07/11/2011 18:51, Uwe Altmann ha scritto:

Am 07.11.11 17:43, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:

Absolutely! That's the whole point in development, to make a better
version! :)

No, not necessarily. An old saying goes: If debugging is the process of
eliminating errors in a computer program then programming is the process
to get them into it :-)))



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Augustine, *,

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Augustine Souza  wrote:
> On 11/8/11, drew  wrote:
>
> en.libreofficeforum.org is not too shabby at all and would serve the purpose.
>
> If I remember there was some opposition to Google ads featuring
> competing software but that's really a non-issue.

I still dislike the adds as a whole, and also I don't really like the
choice of presenting the posts. I'd like the default category view
like for example on http://libreoffice-forum.de/ much better

(The adds are also the main reason why I personally wouldn't like to
feature it as the official forum - if people don't mind the "recent
post" view I don't care)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Jonathan Aquilina]

So looking at the contributions to this discussion so far - many thanks 
for those :-) - I see various subjects:

- about technical possibilities;
- some with politics;
- and the question itself.

Reading the various opinions, sooner or later, there will be fora, 
that are clearly recognised as linked to LibreOffice. Indeed, it is 
clear that there are various already in different languages.


For some time, I could personally live quite well with a forum that is 
clearly, visibly, independent serving LibreOffice and other suites. 
Since suggestions made in that direction seem to be more political 
than technical feasible, I can leave that illusion.
So the questions seems more: when are we going to create our own, then 
if.


Then there is the question about the technical background. I see lots 
of useful ideas and info on those. Obviously the solution must scale 
and allow for various languages.

Is there any need to hurry?
A first thing that could be done anyway, is creating the 'portal' to 
the forum, the link, on the website, so that is clearly shows our 
intention and where we are heading for?


Best


Hope my snipping at the very top is satisfactory.

From what I have seen phpbb deals with languages nicely granted i only 
have one and only need one. I spoke to florian and I am more then 
willing to admin and get the phpbb forums up and running so that a 2nd 
person can start setting up the catagories.



Regards

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Vote for MC elections

[Michael Meeks]

On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 23:14 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Florian Effenberger wrote (07-11-11 12:11)
> > Ok. So I take it that you propose Simon and Norbert as seat holders,
> > which means we have one deputy role open at the moment?
> 
> Currently I'm not able to follow any discussion on numbers, but it would 
> be my suggestion to accept Drew his kind offer to help in the MC

Right; but now we have another offer of a deputy.

Either way - we should put this to a vote on the public list.

All the best,

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi,

At K.U.Leuven we have been working on three extensions for 
LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org. One of them is new; two others will 
be updated this week. We are planning a press release about this and 
would like to know how LibreOffice and TDF would like to be mentioned 
in this. The current text is:
"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source 
office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of 
OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 
and has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. 
New code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU 
Lesser General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla 
Public License (MPL)."
(This text appears below two other paragraphs that describe/introduce 
OpenOffice.org and the ODF standard.)


Best regards,

Christophe


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Fernand Vanrie]

Christophe ,
Wat kind of extensions ?

Greetz
Fernand


Hi,

At K.U.Leuven we have been working on three extensions for LibreOffice 
and OpenOffice.org. One of them is new; two others will be updated 
this week. We are planning a press release about this and would like 
to know how LibreOffice and TDF would like to be mentioned in this. 
The current text is:
"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source 
office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of 
OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 
and has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. 
New code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU 
Lesser General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla 
Public License (MPL)."
(This text appears below two other paragraphs that describe/introduce 
OpenOffice.org and the ODF standard.)


Best regards,

Christophe





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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Vote for MC elections

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Volker,

Volker Merschmann wrote (08-11-11 11:19)

I offered my help as I thought form the discussions that more persons
are really needed.
If this is not really the case, I am fine with withdrawing my offer.


I think that is a friendly step at the moment.
For sure, we will remember your name for the future ;-)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi Fernand,

At 12:21 8-11-2011, Fernand Vanrie wrote:

(...)
Wat kind of extensions ? (...)


The new extension is an accessibility checker for ODT documents. This 
is a pure Java-based extension that uses a taskpanel for its UI. We 
plan to submit it to the LibreOffice core once we have received 
feedback and possibly made some changes. (I know that LibreOffice 
wants to decrease its dependence on Java, but we are not C++ developers...)


The extensions that are being updated are odt2daisy and odt2braille. 
They use mostly Java; some external libraries are in C/C++. They are 
both available on SourceForge. odt2daisy has also been added to the 
LibreOffice extensions site; odt2braille will also be added there.


Best regards,

Christophe



> Hi,
>
> At K.U.Leuven we have been working on three extensions for LibreOffice
> and OpenOffice.org. One of them is new; two others will be updated
> this week. We are planning a press release about this and would like
> to know how LibreOffice and TDF would like to be mentioned in this.
> The current text is:
> "LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
> office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of
> OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010
> and has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time.
> New code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU
> Lesser General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla
> Public License (MPL)."
> (This text appears below two other paragraphs that describe/introduce
> OpenOffice.org and the ODF standard.)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christophe



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Italo Vignoli]

Christophe Strobbe wrote:

"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of
OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and
has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New
code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser
General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License
(MPL)."


I don't like "as a fork of OOo", and I would rather prefer "based on OOo 
source code". Of course, the concept of the fork is correct, but as the 
reality is that every flavour of the legacy StarOffice source code is 
now a fork (AOOo is more of a fork than LibreOffice) I would avoid to 
label LibreOffice as such.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi Italo,

At 13:01 8-11-2011, Italo Vignoli wrote:

Christophe Strobbe wrote:

"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of
OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and
has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New
code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser
General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License
(MPL)."


I don't like "as a fork of OOo", and I would rather prefer "based on 
OOo source code". Of course, the concept of the fork is correct, but 
as the reality is that every flavour of the legacy StarOffice source 
code is now a fork (AOOo is more of a fork than LibreOffice) I would 
avoid to label LibreOffice as such.



Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to:
"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source 
office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a 
community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document 
Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new 
versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is 
developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License 
Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)."


Best regards,

Christophe


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[M Henri Day]

2011/11/8 Christophe Strobbe 

> Hi Italo,
>
>
> At 13:01 8-11-2011, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>
>> Christophe Strobbe wrote:
>>
>>> "LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
>>> office suite developed by The Document Foundation as a fork of
>>> OpenOffice.org. The Document Foundation was formed in September 2010 and
>>> has released several new versions of LibreOffice since that time. New
>>> code in LibreOffice is developed under a double license: GNU Lesser
>>> General Public License Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License
>>> (MPL)."
>>>
>>
>> I don't like "as a fork of OOo", and I would rather prefer "based on OOo
>> source code". Of course, the concept of the fork is correct, but as the
>> reality is that every flavour of the legacy StarOffice source code is now a
>> fork (AOOo is more of a fork than LibreOffice) I would avoid to label
>> LibreOffice as such.
>>
>
>
> Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to:
> "LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
> office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a
> community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document
> Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new
> versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is
> developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License Version
> 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)."
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christophe
>
>
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Good suggestion by italo, well implemented by Christophe. Kudos to both of
you !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Italo Vignoli]

Christophe Strobbe wrote:


Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to:
"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a
community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document
Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new
versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is
developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License
Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)."


Look good now. Another small glitch: the license should read LGPLv3+ as 
it is supposed to cover all future versions (if the + is missing, then 
is only LGPLv3, and we could not switch to future versions of LGPL).


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in press release about extensions

[Christophe Strobbe]

Hi Italo,

At 14:32 8-11-2011, Italo Vignoli wrote:

Christophe Strobbe wrote:


Thanks for your comment. I have changed the paragraph to:
"LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) is a free and open-source
office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. It is a
community-driven project of The Document Foundation. The Document
Foundation was formed in September 2010 and has released several new
versions of LibreOffice since that time. New code in LibreOffice is
developed under a double license: GNU Lesser General Public License
Version 3 (LGPLv3) and the Mozilla Public License (MPL)."


Look good now. Another small glitch: the license should read LGPLv3+ 
as it is supposed to cover all future versions (if the + is missing, 
then is only LGPLv3, and we could not switch to future versions of LGPL).


Thanks. I have adapted this.

Best regards,

Christophe




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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

of course, there is no need to hurry, but why not start (in case we want to go 
for it) now, so we have enough time to evaluate and decide? Better than doing 
things in a rush later on. :-) The topic itself is not new, it has in fact been 
up already since nearly the beginning of TDF.

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Cor Nouws  schrieb:

>Hi *,
>
>Cor Nouws wrote (29-10-11 00:16)
>
>> Now I wonder: what about the future of forums for LibreOffice?
>> It looks convenient to have all at one place. On the other side:
>> LibreOffice will grow to be different more and more. Different code
>> base, more functions.
>> So apart from that it is maybe not fair ;-) to profit too much on the
>> work of the forums at Apache (when life), it will be increasingly
>> insufficient for our own users.
>> Well, that is one way I could look at it.
>> But of course having own LibreOffice forums ask resources and
>especially
>> time..
>>
>> What do other people think about this?
>
>So looking at the contributions to this discussion so far - many thanks
>
>for those :-) - I see various subjects:
>- about technical possibilities;
>- some with politics;
>- and the question itself.
>
>Reading the various opinions, sooner or later, there will be fora, that
>
>are clearly recognised as linked to LibreOffice. Indeed, it is clear 
>that there are various already in different languages.
>
>For some time, I could personally live quite well with a forum that is 
>clearly, visibly, independent serving LibreOffice and other suites. 
>Since suggestions made in that direction seem to be more political than
>
>technical feasible, I can leave that illusion.
>So the questions seems more: when are we going to create our own, then
>if.
>
>Then there is the question about the technical background. I see lots
>of 
>useful ideas and info on those. Obviously the solution must scale and 
>allow for various languages.
>Is there any need to hurry?
>A first thing that could be done anyway, is creating the 'portal' to
>the 
>forum, the link, on the website, so that is clearly shows our intention
>
>and where we are heading for?
>
>Best
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me.

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Augustine Souza  schrieb:

>On 11/8/11, drew  wrote:
>...
>>
>> Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but
>there
>> has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the
>site
>> from the main projects web properties.
>>
>...
>
>en.libreofficeforum.org is not too shabby at all and would serve the
>purpose.
>
>If I remember there was some opposition to Google ads featuring
>competing software but that's really a non-issue.
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Re: [board-discuss] Fwd: Liaison between LO and Calligra project

[Thorsten Behrens]

Michiel Leenaars wrote:
> ... but to have a tenacious bulldog appointed within these
> projects that makes sure that progress is made even if people are
> swamped.
> 
Hi Michiel,

sorry, that's not gonna fly here. Participants in this project are
often self-directed and volunteers, or employees of companies with
very individual priorities & schedules. Having a liaison person that
cannot command resources is then rather pointless.

> From where I stand (and I'm not part of any specific project) there
> are a number of interoperability issues at your end still open I
> think, although probably people within TDF are already working on
> these.
>
If you, or someone else, has such a list, would be cool to have it
filed properly in bugzilla & maybe some meta-issue to track.

> Even though ODF as a document format has plenty of traction, some
> specific parts such as ODF's 3D objects stand less of a chance to
> make it as the dominant standard in this area (given that there
> are far better and more widely used standards for 3D). In order to
> make the experience better for everyone and make at least the
> content portable/visible to other (less complete) implementations
> I think that should be made more robust by making sure there are
> standards based fallbacks (in SVG, PNG) for any such parts.
>
Here seems to be some incoherence in your argument (that was
previously asking LibO to fill ODF consumer bugs by completing the
implementation), and then you also suggest we fix things that are
shortcomings in other applications.

Beyond that, while I sympathize with the idea to have a public face
for odf, in practice I prefer less formal roles over more titles. So
for all the other ODF processing project participants that I haven't
chatted with yet, feel free to mention my name as a potential
initial point of contact (or anybody else who'd like to volunteer
here). Even better, encourage them to mail
libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org with a rough patch, and/or the
willingness to contribute to the solution. :)

Cheers,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[drew]

On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me.
> 
Howdy Florian



right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but it
does get a bit dicey in practice IMO.

For instance very few had a problem with pointing directly to the
official Document Foundation and LibreOffice pages on Facebook - ads.

Document Foundation and LibreOffice twitter accounts - ads.

TDF/Libo G+ pages - no ads, yet.

Alright, so a simple aversion to on-line ads is not the only determining
factor, exceptions are made all the time.

This is not a way to argue in favor of treating LibreOfficeForum.org or
lo-portal.de/forum as 'official' sites, but I would like to again
suggest that it, alone, is not a reason to in effect shun them either.

IIRC Micheal Meeks, in one of his presentations, suggested a goal of 200
Million users for the LibreOffice suite - I think that is a laudable
goal, and also believe that it will not be attained without this wealth
of extended, external, activity. 

Which of course if not exactly on-topic and I will get directly back to
topic in reply to an earlier email but for this point - I hope we can
find some useful way to incorporate all the energy coming from these
auxiliary effots - it's not easy I know but I think it will be well
worth the effort.

Now - off to write the on-topic email,

//drew  


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

maybe I put it the wrong way. Of course, there are always services that are 
inly available with ads, then we sometimes have no choice. However, when 
thinking about eithe modifying existing services that have ads, to fit our 
needs, like for a forum, or to setup our own without ads, I have a very strong 
preference for thelatter one.

Or, otherwise said, I would only accept ads when ther is no other choice, it ks 
always the last choice for me.

That,of course,is only my personal opinion and not binding. :-)

Florian

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drew  schrieb:

>On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go
>for me.
>> 
>Howdy Florian
>
>
>
>right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but
>it
>does get a bit dicey in practice IMO.
>
>For instance very few had a problem with pointing directly to the
>official Document Foundation and LibreOffice pages on Facebook - ads.
>
>Document Foundation and LibreOffice twitter accounts - ads.
>
>TDF/Libo G+ pages - no ads, yet.
>
>Alright, so a simple aversion to on-line ads is not the only
>determining
>factor, exceptions are made all the time.
>
>This is not a way to argue in favor of treating LibreOfficeForum.org or
>lo-portal.de/forum as 'official' sites, but I would like to again
>suggest that it, alone, is not a reason to in effect shun them either.
>
>IIRC Micheal Meeks, in one of his presentations, suggested a goal of
>200
>Million users for the LibreOffice suite - I think that is a laudable
>goal, and also believe that it will not be attained without this wealth
>of extended, external, activity. 
>
>Which of course if not exactly on-topic and I will get directly back to
>topic in reply to an earlier email but for this point - I hope we can
>find some useful way to incorporate all the energy coming from these
>auxiliary effots - it's not easy I know but I think it will be well
>worth the effort.
>
>Now - off to write the on-topic email,
>
>//drew  
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Florian,

Florian Effenberger wrote (08-11-11 15:33)


of course, there is no need to hurry, but why not start (in case we
want to go for it) now, so we have enough time to evaluate and
decide?


Yes, not doing things in a rush is good.
What I was referring to: if there is less need to hurry, we have more 
time to let people step in for the various tasks.



Better than doing things in a rush later on. :-)


Well, if there would come a moment that it would be urgent ;-)


The topic itself is not new, it has in fact been up already
since nearly the beginning of TDF.


Indeed, luckily not all topics are urgent :-)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi,

Cor Nouws wrote on 2011-11-08 21:29:

Indeed, luckily not all topics are urgent :-)


to be clear on this: I think that it becomes more and more urgent. Based 
on the feedback I get, many users really demand an official forum, and 
the mailing lists and their gateways do not work out for them, so it is 
time to start thinking - which we do on this list right now. :)


And yes, even if I didn't manage yet to reply to all mails, I am still 
very much in favor of hosting TDF official forums for all projects and 
languages.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Florian,

I'll open a wiki page tomorrow with some requirements listed so that we
come up with some criteria for a forum platform. Others are free to fill
the page as well.

Best,

Charles.
Le 8 nov. 2011 22:58, "Florian Effenberger" 
a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Cor Nouws wrote on 2011-11-08 21:29:
>
>> Indeed, luckily not all topics are urgent :-)
>>
>
> to be clear on this: I think that it becomes more and more urgent. Based
> on the feedback I get, many users really demand an official forum, and the
> mailing lists and their gateways do not work out for them, so it is time to
> start thinking - which we do on this list right now. :)
>
> And yes, even if I didn't manage yet to reply to all mails, I am still
> very much in favor of hosting TDF official forums for all projects and
> languages.
>
> Florian
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

On 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz  wrote:
> Florian,
>
> I'll open a wiki page tomorrow with some requirements listed so that we
> come up with some criteria for a forum platform. Others are free to fill
> the page as well.
>

If I'm not mistaken, we already have several "threads" on various
aspects of the forum issue. I don't know how mailing lists work, but,
if possible, why not close all but one thread to prevent "dilution"?
Those of us who can't or won't contribute to the wiki can then have
just the one thread to read and provide feedback in. It would be
easier for the decision-makers as well.

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