Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace "Floppy Disk"

2012-01-22 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Pedro,

2012/1/21 Pedro 

> Hi Charles
>
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> >
> > - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has
> the
> > floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement
> icon.
> >
>
> It certainly has under Windows.
>


Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on),
because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different
platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a
screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this
list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side.


>
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> >
> > Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though
> > discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-)
> >
>
> Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but
> contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :)
>
>
Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the
bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-)

Best,
Charles.




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[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace "Floppy Disk"

2012-01-22 Thread Pedro
Hi again Charles


Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> 
> Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on),
> because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on
> different
> platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a
> screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this
> list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side.
> 

Of course. Here are the small (Auto) size icons using the Automatic (Tango)
style
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Small_icons.png

and here are the large size icons
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Large_icons.png

This is under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3

There is no need for you to do the same.


Charles-H. Schulz wrote
> 
> Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the
> bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-)
> 

I agree that discussing every item would be a waste of time and would freeze
such a large project, but changing a symbol that is universally accepted in
any country in the World, under any OS, in any application doesn't seem
something that can be modified without wide acceptance. 

Please understand: I don't have a particular fetish with floppy disks. I
just think it that it doesn't make sense to change things that users rely on
just because you can.

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace "Floppy Disk"

2012-01-22 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Pedro, *,


Am 22.01.2012 13:43 schrieb Pedro:

[..]

> I just think it that it doesn't make sense to change things that users
> rely on just because you can.

+1


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: test session for LibreOffice 3.5.0

2012-01-22 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Nino,

Nino Novak wrote (20-01-12 18:50)


Cor, couldn't you make the links in the blog article clickable?


Good idea (for next time ;-) - bit back log with the mail ..)

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[tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-22 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference - 
thank you very much for your applications!


My proposal for the voting process is as follows:

- I would like to make the proposals public immediately, by uploading 
them to the wiki, and sending out a short notice to announce@tdf


- For the timeline of a week or so, the community can ask direct 
questions to the proponents, should something be unclear in their proposals


- After that, we will initiate the voting

- For voting, I propose to use a simple majority vote, i.e. the proposal 
having more votes will host the conference


- The candidate not succeeding this year can propose for 2013, but it 
will not automatically be preferred there (since we already called for 
2013 proposals as well)


- Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself

- One option is to allow every subscriber to the announce@ lists to vote 
(after e-mail confirmation in the voting system itself),


- another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would 
exclude "joke" votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude 
many eligible people.


- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone 
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so 
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the 
project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary.


What do you think?

Thanks,
Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-22 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol

Hi Florian, *,
Am 23.01.2012 08:07, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

[schnipp]


- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the
project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary.


Is it a big technical and/or manpowering effort to do it in that way?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-22 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-23 08:14:


- A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone
subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so
on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the
project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary.


Is it a big technical and/or manpowering effort to do it in that way?


not really, if we can agree on a sane set of mailing lists. ;-) E.g. I'd 
use announce@, discuss@, and maybe one or two more lists (probably the 
developer list makes sense). Getting subscribers from all over 100 lists 
is a rather tedious task. ;-)


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-22 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 2012-01-23 08:07:

we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference -
thank you very much for your applications!


I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that due 
to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were not able 
to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a proposal in time.


Their question is, whether they can work on it today and send it in.

My *personal* opinion is that it would be unfair to others to extend the 
deadline, so I would propose them to send in for 2013 instead. Everyone 
had a fair chance and the deadline was well known - but I'd like to hear 
your thoughts on that.


Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-22 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 23.01.2012 08:32, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

> I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that
> due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were
> not able to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a
> proposal in time.

Sounds a bit strange to me. There was enough time for preparing a
proposal. I am asking myself, if someone who starts too late,
without any buffer time for unexpected difficulties, really
qualifies for organising such a big and complex event.

Stefan


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