[OT] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-25 Thread Charles-H.Schulz
Robert,

Le mardi 24 janvier 2012 à 15:49 -0600, Robert Derman a écrit :
 Florian Effenberger wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48:
  Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity.
  Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we
  don't want LibCon to happen.
 
  by that, we would exclude a large amount of developers, and I am sure 
  want to have them on the list. While it might be indeed something to 
  attract more people applying for membership, I think excluding them 
  from all votings (rather than only elections, which is what membership 
  is about), does not feel right - but I am happy to hear some more 
  thoughts, since we seem to have mixed feelings here. ;)
 
  Florian
 Perhaps we should have 2 tiered membership, full members, developers who 
 contribute on a regular and ongoing basis and such, and associate 
 members, those who have been on the mail lists since the founding of 
 TDF, and who contribute in less provable ways, like promoting the 
 program, giving others the program on disk etc.  I have been on the 
 discuss list with OOo since about the turn of the century, and actually 
 would like to contribute to the program in limited ways, like sending 
 word lists for the spelling dictionary, and enhancing the autocorrect 
 function if any developer is willing to help me to do it.  I haven't 
 done any programming since working with BASIC back in the 1980s, so I 
 can't contribute much to the code, but I would like to do whatever I can.


Slightly off topic but a quick comment: TDF members are not just
developers; if you read bylaws we do ackowledge other, technical *or*
non-technical contributions.

Best,

-- 
Charles-H. Schulz
Co-Founder  Director,
The Document Foundation.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-25 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 25.01.2012 17:57, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

 we just discussed about that in the BoD call, and agreed to only
 let members vote.

Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-)

TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-)

However, even if not allowed to vote, *all* people who feel
themselves as a part of the LibreOffice community can at least post
a statement at the mailing list, in order to support their favorite
proposal. Right? They can even go out on the street for a
demonstration. :-D

I love this freedom. :-D

Stefan


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-25 Thread Jochen

Hi Stefan,

Am 25.01.2012 18:45, schrieb Stefan Weigel:

I love this freedom. :-D


I also.

Rgd

Jochen



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-25 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Stefan Weigel wrote on 2012-01-25 18:45:


Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-)

TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-)


no, that's the wrong assumption. :) It is a conference for all 
interested parties, for the large community, for everyone. It is called 
LibreOffice Conference on purpose. :-)


However, we in the past had large practical problems with many people 
voting who did not intend to go at all - joke voters. So we had a hard 
time providing mechanisms to avoid joke votings.


My first idea was to invite people from all the mailing lists, but in 
today's BoD call the concern was raised, that by that, we would 
effectively also miss several people, as it's no clear border to draw. 
What about those not on a list, but actively contributing in the wiki?


Thus, for 2012, we decided to only allow members to vote, and at the 
same time encourage contributors to become members.


I guess any solution has drawbacks, so I hope we could find some 
sensible one. If there is a one size fits it all solution, I am happy 
to hear it, of course. :-)


Florian

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