[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Patrick GERIN]

Le 16/05/2012 7:34, Marc Paré a écrit :

...snip...
Thanks, I should have mentioned that I was not really looking for the 
MS format compatibility as this is an on-going process, even almost a 
"cat and mouse" process for LibreOffice. I find that professors I 
collaborate with are more forgiving of the ODF format and will accept 
submissions in ODF from their students. The reason for this is that 
some of these professors use LibreOffice at home and do conferences 
with their laptop with both MSO and LibreOffice on their machines.
So, I am really looking for people on this list who are in academia 
and have "extended" their LibreOffice for use in their work. What 
extensions are they using, and, it would be nice to know why?

Cheers,
Marc


Dear Marc,
I am working in an university environment.
I'm successfully using  LibreOffice without any add-on or extension.
However, my use of LibreOffice is quite limited in my profesionnal 
environment,  due to the following problems:


1.  I have to work with files (texts, spreadsheets, presentations) that 
have to be edited and exchanged with students and colleagues, who are 
mostly M$ users (sorry to come back again to the same M$ story...)


2. We tried to select Calc as the reference spreadsheet for all data 
treatment in my team, but  absence of X-error bars is too limiting for 
our specific use.


As mentionned by others, Zotero is used in our university environment 
for bibliographic citations.


Hope this can help,
Best regards,
PG

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Bruce Byfield]

On Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29:33 AM NoOp wrote:
> On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> ...
> 
> > There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in
> 
> ...
> 
> You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote
> several templates for APA Style 5th & 6th editions for students:
> 

My own academic days are past, so please excuse a suggestion I'm not willing 
to implement myself.

However, I'm sure that more people would use the bibliographical tools if  the 
samples given weren't misleading. Anyone trying to learn from them might 
easily give up in despair.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Olav Dahlum]

I agree that is the worse thing that I do not like about LibreOffice, is
that there is no sufficient compatibility with Microsoft Office.

> An Example are pptx files, that have formatting errors where the text does
> not fit on the same slide, and runs off the page. so everything has to be
> re-sized again. all the text boxes.
>

So why use the proprietary file formats in Microsoft Office then? Most of
them are defective by design as well.


> I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats
> in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility
> issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed.
>

If they ditch the flawed OOXML support, that can happen.


> Microsoft are not the only company that have this problem, working with
> Apple iwork files also has formatting problems with Calc in Libreoffice
> when apple convert them to an xls format. i don't understand how that works
>

Apple do not have the file specifications for Microsoft Office formats, as
the rest of us. On top of that, Microsoft Office for MacOS have been known
to cause problems when opening files created in the Windows version.
Coincidence?


> LibreOffice and Google Docs (Drive) still don't work together sometimes
> especially with fonts and formatting errors. Although again, its a google
> issue not an issue with libreoffice.
>

So, why bring it up here?


> In An Academic environment, I believe the software suite could work,
> although I am restricted currently at the moment only allowed to use
> Microsoft Office. I am a student at a school, the thing that annoys me, is
> when microsoft office lags, and it hangs, on school computers. It then
> wastes  a lot of my time when typing a document (somtimes crashing and the
> document doesn't want to retrieve!). Then when I am at home, libreoffice
> always works flawlessly.
>

Meaning, they have no concept of sharing documents using standardized
formats. This is good reading for the uneducated:
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before, and if they don't understand,
confiscate their computer(s).


>
>
> ljelly.



Regards,
Olav

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Re: [tdf-discuss] IBM plans to contribute the Symphony code to Apache OpenOffice, soon.

[Italo Vignoli]

theUser BL wrote:

> Here some links:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/18332
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

We are on top of this.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Olav Dahlum]

2012/5/15 Pieter E. Zanstra 

> Like it or not, only one thing matters:
> Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period!
> Pieter
>
>
Simple, just ask Microsoft to publish the specifications for all their file
formats …

Regards,
Olav Dahlum

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[tdf-discuss] IBM plans to contribute the Symphony code to Apache OpenOffice, soon.

[theUser BL]

If you still haven't noticed it: It needs not much time, until IBM publish its 
Symphony code.

Here some links:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/18332
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

Greatings
theuserbl

  
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2012/5/15 Laurence Jeloudev  wrote, among other things:
> I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in
> there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility issues
> and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed.

Dream on.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[NoOp]

On 05/17/2012 03:15 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
...
> There is a need for a few templates for academic use; a built-in 
...

You might want to contact/collaborate with Orest Kinasevyc. He wrote
several templates for APA Style 5th & 6th editions for students:


[Be sure to read the 1 and only comment from the author]

Download page:
http://www.kinasevych.ca/c/201003/02/apa/

The 6th edition APA template is 12 pages with side notes (includes
instructions for Zotero etc).


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RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Pieter E. Zanstra]

Hello Marc,

In the process of commenting it would be good that people who actively respond 
to a reported bug, also add their email address. Just for those many cases 
where the original reporting person has disappeared, and there no longer is a 
"problem holder" from the user comunity.

Pieter
>
>Thanks for the reply and comments.
>
>Le 2012-05-18 05:50, Pedro a écrit :
>> Hi Marc
>>
>>
>> Marc Paré wrote
>>>
>>> Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if 
>I had the 
>>> same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it 
>>> now works properly.
>>>
>>> Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on 
>>> your submitted bug confirming the fix.
>>>
>>
>> Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name 
>> is workaround.
>>
>> Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make 
>> someone who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in 
>> AskLibO and User mailing list)
>>
>> Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism 
>(i.e. a one 
>> click button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems 
>would be 
>> a good addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.
>>
>> (Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment "Why 
>don't you 
>> fix it yourself?" TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>
>The process of bug-fixing is:
>
>* people report a bug
>* people confirm the bug through testing
>* devs either accept or reject the bug (normally accept, 
>unless the bug is a duplicate of another bug report)
>* people + devs find a temporary work-around
>* devs will try to find a fix
>* people will try the fix and report back
>* fix is corrected in an updated version
>
>Now that we have found a workaround for this bug, the 
>volunteer-devs can get to work at finding the solution, which, 
>can either be a small fix or a large coding fix; we don't 
>really know at this point. (BTW, I am also not a dev.)
>
>The bug-report-fixing in opensource projects is normally heavy 
>on people reporting problems and finding temporary 
>workarounds, often with dev support. The workaround does not 
>mean that the bug will be closed, it just means that the devs 
>now have solid confirmation of the problem and finding a fix 
>with testing is the next step.
>
>In fact, if a user reports a bug, it is hoped, in all cases, 
>that the user will help testing out any fixes suggested by the 
>devs so that they can better understand and correct the problem.
>
>Although opensource software is free to use, it is hoped that 
>the user will help make the project better by participating in 
>some way as a form of repayment, if at all possible. There is 
>always something a user can do to help no matter how small the 
>contribution. Even leaving comments such as yours is helpful. 
>(BTW, I will include you comment about the "one click button 
>..." to the bug report.)[1]
>
>If you feel you can help with the LibreOffice project in any 
>way, feel free to ask and someone will suggest where you could 
>help. Now that we know the workaround we can help other users 
>who have this problem by informing them of it.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Marc
>
>[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/process_bug.cgi
>
>
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Writer] Problem with modern typefaces having more than the standard styles

[GwenDragon]

Hello,
No new ideas to fix the problem of incorrect reimport of formatting
in LibreOffice 3.5 with the Kallos (and other font families) font problem?


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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Marc Paré]

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the reply and comments.

Le 2012-05-18 05:50, Pedro a écrit :

Hi Marc


Marc Paré wrote


Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the
same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now
works properly.

Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your
submitted bug confirming the fix.



Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
workaround.

Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone
who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
mailing list)

Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click
button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good
addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

(Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment "Why don't you fix it
yourself?" TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

Regards,
Pedro


The process of bug-fixing is:

* people report a bug
* people confirm the bug through testing
* devs either accept or reject the bug (normally accept, unless the bug 
is a duplicate of another bug report)

* people + devs find a temporary work-around
* devs will try to find a fix
* people will try the fix and report back
* fix is corrected in an updated version

Now that we have found a workaround for this bug, the volunteer-devs can 
get to work at finding the solution, which, can either be a small fix or 
a large coding fix; we don't really know at this point. (BTW, I am also 
not a dev.)


The bug-report-fixing in opensource projects is normally heavy on people 
reporting problems and finding temporary workarounds, often with dev 
support. The workaround does not mean that the bug will be closed, it 
just means that the devs now have solid confirmation of the problem and 
finding a fix with testing is the next step.


In fact, if a user reports a bug, it is hoped, in all cases, that the 
user will help testing out any fixes suggested by the devs so that they 
can better understand and correct the problem.


Although opensource software is free to use, it is hoped that the user 
will help make the project better by participating in some way as a form 
of repayment, if at all possible. There is always something a user can 
do to help no matter how small the contribution. Even leaving comments 
such as yours is helpful. (BTW, I will include you comment about the 
"one click button ..." to the bug report.)[1]


If you feel you can help with the LibreOffice project in any way, feel 
free to ask and someone will suggest where you could help. Now that we 
know the workaround we can help other users who have this problem by 
informing them of it.


Cheers,

Marc

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/process_bug.cgi



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University

[Mark Preston]

Marc,

My apologies; I was not aware you were looking for how people managed
to "up-rate" LibreOffice to work better for academic work. In my own
case, I found the "writer's tools" offered by Dimitri Popov as an
extension toolkit to be most useful, particularly for things like
citations, bibliography and footnotes.

It must be admitted that the extension is an OpenOffice item rather
than LibreOffice, but I found it would work quite well with minimal
extra work to put into LibreOffice. I hope this is the sort of thing
you were looking for.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Richard]

Thanks, Marc.

Marc Paré wrote
> >
> > Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the
> > same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now
> > works properly.
> >
> > Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your
> > submitted bug confirming the fix.
> >
>
> Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
> workaround.
>
> Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make
> someone
> who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
> mailing list)
>
>
That seems to work for me, also. At least it created the new /user folder.
Thanks for the tip.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities

[Pedro]

Hi Marc


Marc Paré wrote
> 
> Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the 
> same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now 
> works properly.
> 
> Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your 
> submitted bug confirming the fix.
> 

Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is
workaround.

Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone
who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User
mailing list)

Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click
button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good
addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite.

(Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment "Why don't you fix it
yourself?" TM, I want to add that I am not a developer)

Regards,
Pedro

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