Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
I'd just like to note, that the Municipiality of Munich is using OpenOffice.org on 18.000 clients. Not exactly small business. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOo / LO Extensions
Hi, if there were an interest in standardizing a macro API for office applications, I would be much in favor. But I wouldn't want to standardize the current API. It's unnecessarily complicated and takes a sizeable amount of time to learn, even for a seasoned programmer. I'd rather create something new and modern. Greetings eymux On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: Olivier Hallot schrieb: Em 13-07-2011 05:33, RA Stehmann escreveu: Uwe Altmann schrieb: Hi Am 12.07.11 20:38, schrieb drew: hmmm - that is assuming that the two separate projects will maintain enough common code base that shared extensions are possible - that is a requirement that I for one would not want to see enforced. The fact that we can share extensions today is, IMO, a remnant of a past history and should not dictate decisions for going forward - so I would not be in favor our hosting Apache OpenOffice.org branded extensions on a TDF/LibreOffice service, nor would I be in favor or seeing TDF/Libreoffice continue to point back to Apache OpenOffice.org for any future end user services. As in past some extensions required some special version of OOo, in future they may require a special version of LO or only LO or only AOOo at all. It's more testing but surely can be documented and handeled. Besides that I dont't expect LO to refurbish the API on a down-to-the-foundation level in the next years. There is a solution for that Problem: standardization of the API for example under the roof of OASIS. That doesn't necessarily mean, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org will have the same API but a practical common set. Extensions could notice, whether they use only (parts of) the standard set. Regards Michael Isn't this going to put the API into a cast? (for the good and for the bad) Regards No, it isn't. You can improve standards (like ODF). LibreOffice for example could develop new API elements especially for new features, which could be intergrated in a later version of the API standard. The standard should be only a practical set, supported by LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org and others. But that doesn't mean the standard describes the whole API of one of these products but only a great part. So there is room for improvement. Regards Michael -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] No more desktop Linux systems in the German Foreign Office - The H Open Source: News and Features
Users prejudice needs intelligence, indeed :). 2011/2/18 Irmhild Rogalla irmhild.roga...@institut-pi.de Hi, Am 18.02.2011 07:16, schrieb Samphan Raruenrom: They're moving back from Linux to Windows+Office! What's happening there? It's a very specific German *party* political decision, against consultants (McKinsey) suggestions. (see - in German language- http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Linux-im-Auswaertigen-Amt-Rueckmigration-auf-Windows-nicht-zwingend-1192284.htmland links there) Short summary: McKinsey said (twice): - open-source-strategy works - Linux-Desktops are a possible way for office work but - problems with interoperability needs answer - users prejudice needs education / training / intelligence [Aufklärung] (I think, this is always the same worldwide ...) But altogether it's very angrily. regards Irmhild -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
