Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [marketing] Search at the beginning

[Augustine Souza]

So long as the search backwards is retained.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Nguyen Vu Hung wrote:

> ...Just let LibO search documents from the beginning by default.
> +1
> 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] A better idea for a download package.

[Augustine Souza]

No doubt there are valid reasons for having an install with every available
language pack included and a multitude of sound files and graphics in the
gallery but I hope that someone considers the difficulty of others who have
limited broadband quotas or poor connectivity. If LibreOffice is to become
popular, simple logic would indicate that a smaller download size would be
more attractive.

I'm not technically competent to advise on how to go about things but a
modular approach would be nice. I know exactly what I need from LibreOffice
and after having successfully downloaded the ~210 MB RC2 installer to give
an ~ 430 MB LibreOffice folder, I managed to bring the size down to ~280 MB.

The other suggestion I have to make is to consider the differential update
system (Courgette) that Google has developed for its Chrome browser:
http://blog.chromium.org/2009/07/smaller-is-faster-and-safer-too.html
http://www.osnews.com/story/21842/Courgette_Significantly_Reduces_Chromium_Update_Sizes

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Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?

[Augustine Souza]

Don't macros also "need" JRE?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Forums... again

[Augustine Souza]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Michelle Konzack <
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> Hello adept techlists - kazar,
>
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Are all the details in your signature necessary? Why don't you just provide
one link to your homepage? It would be eco-friendly :)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

[Augustine Souza]

I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover
costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need
to take specific steps to block ads from that site).

One more advantage of forums is that sig files are restricted in length and
readers aren't subjected to lengthy sig files that are sometimes
"advertisement". There's proof of how sig files can be abused in this
mailing list.

For whatever reason, if a forum by the TDF is not desirable by the
power-that-be, we just have to live with the fact.

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Andy Brown wrote:

>
> A user can disable the ads for his account.
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question

[Augustine Souza]

Microsoft must be smiling.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question

[Augustine Souza]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> ...

: the forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/ ... are probably the
> best place
> where LibreOffice users can get support if they don't like mailing
> lists.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
>
Very true. The mods and volunteers there do a wonderful job. Those forums
deserve a lot of credit (and publicity).

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums - A Different Question

[Augustine Souza]

Resources?
Stop with the dehumanizing.
They are human beings  @ user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum and
totally helpful.

On 5/3/11, Isaac Hummel  wrote:
> On 05/03/2011 10:17 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> True. But again, that justifies continuing to use Oracle resources how?
>>
>> LibreOffice is a branch from OOo just as go-oo and associated linux
>> distributions that used the go-oo packages were. A continued issue on
>> the OOo user list was determining if a linux user was using a standard
>> OOo, or if they were using linux distribution variant. A great deal of
>> OOo list user time was determining if the poster was using a go-oo
>> variant, and then redirecting them to their linux specific support
>> facilities (ex: launchpad for Ubuntu OOo).
>>
>> LibreOffice (IMO) should 'man up' and either provide resources for their
>> own forums, or as an interim just state that currently there are no such
>> LO forums available. Or support:
>> http://libreofficeforum.org/ or similar.
>
> I absolutely, 100% support LO setting up its own forum, or at least
> throwing support behind the unofficial LibreOffice forum you mention.
> But linking to the community-driven official OpenOffice forum is better
> than doing nothing. Going to an Oracle-sponsored site does not make one
> ceremonially unclean, nor does linking to it. Not linking to the
> resources that are out there while declining to provide resources of
> ones own is more "embarrassing" than linking to the community-run Oracle
> OpenOffice forums.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

[Augustine Souza]

On 6/3/11, Harold Fuchs  wrote:
...
> The LO folk left the OOo group because OOo was, in their opinion, going to
> be over-controlled (by Oracle). Now that this is no longer true, the LO folk
> don't have a case and should return to the fold. ...

Nonsense.

>
> Oh, and by the way, get rid of the asinine name "LibreOffice" which half the
> world can't pronounce and which three quarters of the world doesn't
> understand the meaning of.
>

More nonsense.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[Augustine Souza]

Ian Lynch ,

Could you trim your signature? Could you just quote relevant parts of
others' posts?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[Augustine Souza]

On 6/6/11, Greg Stein  wrote:
...
> the project? Bob can say whatever he'd like on his blog.
>
...
>
> In any case... stop assuming that what *one* person says is
> representative of the entire (ASF) community. That simply isn't true.
>
...

That blog is responsible for quite a lot of ill-will. Here's a quote
from the end of the blog:
"I have a vision of a free, high quality productivity suite, one based
on open standards and open source, one that doesn’t treat the web and
mobile and tablet form factors as a design afterthought,  one that has
a strong extensibility and programmability model that makes it the
preferred platform for innovation, one that has a dedicated community
of supporters.  I’ll need your help to get there."

The use of "I" twice does give the impression of leadership. It would
have been nice if someone from ASF had promptly undertaken
fire-fighting there.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[Augustine Souza]

On 6/15/11, Allen Pulsifer  wrote:
...
> End users do not care about
> who's right, who's wrong, who's been slighted, who is more pure, etc.  They
> just care about products and technologies that are going to meet their
> needs.

Painting quite a poor picture of end users? Are they really like that?
Or do we say so to support our argument?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

On Nov 3, 2011, Florian Effenberger wrote:
"sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many
- especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My
wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to have access to the
same content with two interfaces, but it obviously didn't work out,
which is why I am considering a "real" forum."

As a novice user, I made two posts in the Nabble "forum" under the
login name "chimak111". The first was promptly and efficiently dealt
with by Cor Nouys (I'm spelling from memory).

The second post may be used to illustrate the current state of the
Nabble "forum". At issue was the functioning of the global menu bar to
"integrate" LibreOffice with the Unity aspect of Ubuntu 11.10. A
couple of responses by "Tom" were to the point. The rest was the type
of thing seen when there isn't active moderation of posts. The thread
digressed to the merits and demerits of Unity, Ubuntu, Canonical,
Linux, and what have you.
The link to this second post is here:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-3-4-3-on-Ubuntu-11-10-Unity-3D-td3431366.html#a3431583

Nabble, not per se but for want of moderation or etiquette, shows the
same weakness of mailing lists in that material is quoted and
requoted, mostly unnecessarily. Then there are the unwanted headers
and footers that just bulk up each post and make havoc in posts
containing quotes and requotes.

I know that moderators are not a dime a dozen, but without strong
moderation, any forum or mailing list can become quite unattractive.
All the same, I'd prefer a forum.

Here's wishing that LibreOffice and its volunteers all the best.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

On 11/7/11, Cor Nouws  wrote:
...
> Isn't politics about branding, and the other way round too?!
...

I'm not sure the legal team(s) will bless any attempt to even give the
impression of a "common" forum. There have been mutterings not just
about brand value but also intellectual property.

As a total outsider, but as a user of LibreOffice, my vote is for an
independent forum without any dependencies.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

On 11/8/11, drew  wrote:
...
>
> Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there
> has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site
> from the main projects web properties.
>
...

en.libreofficeforum.org is not too shabby at all and would serve the purpose.

If I remember there was some opposition to Google ads featuring
competing software but that's really a non-issue.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

On 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz  wrote:
> Florian,
>
> I'll open a wiki page tomorrow with some requirements listed so that we
> come up with some criteria for a forum platform. Others are free to fill
> the page as well.
>

If I'm not mistaken, we already have several "threads" on various
aspects of the forum issue. I don't know how mailing lists work, but,
if possible, why not close all but one thread to prevent "dilution"?
Those of us who can't or won't contribute to the wiki can then have
just the one thread to read and provide feedback in. It would be
easier for the decision-makers as well.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

[Augustine Souza]

For the new forum ...
My request is that "background images" for functional content be kept
to a minimum for reasons of accessibility.

Some people may want to have a different color for the page background
because they find white painful. (There are such people.)

If the person uses css to change the background color, many background
images are no longer visible. This is quite common with phpBB. Buttons
such as "new post" or "quote" or "reply" disappear when the background
color is changed using css. There maybe workarounds such as the alt
tag but that's no longer pretty.

If anyone is interested I can give a couple of examples.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [POLL] own forums

[Augustine Souza]

+1 for a forum and all the best!

On 11/11/11, Dave Barton  wrote:
> +1
>
>  Original Message  
> From: Florian Effenberger 
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:56:58 +0100
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> sadly, I didn't manage yet to read all messages, but I will and will
>> reply to. But I think (correct me if I'm wrong) we have reached a stage
>> where we should maybe have a quick poll on whether to go with our own
>> forums or not. If yes, we then can later on decide which software to
>> use, branding details etc. Right now, I'd just like to have clarified
>> whether we go with own forums in general.
>>
>> So, a quick +1/-1 in this thread would be nice to get an overview over
>> people's opinion. ;-)
>>
>> Florian
>>
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] official forums

[Augustine Souza]

1. +1 for phpBB. KISS.

2. Users of LibreOffice shouldn't have to learn how to use something
like askubuntu.com (stackoverflow). From the little I've seen of
askubuntu.com, it's linked to a bunch of tracking (and other) sites
which may slow down the snappiness of things.

3. ***Only if it's not too much trouble***, there should be a way to
recognize worthy questions and answers to encourage quality.

4. There's also this not-so hypothetical scenario. A user of
LibreOffice has a question. He comes across an existing forum (dealing
with a *related* office suite). He signs up, asks the question and is
replied to courteously and promptly. More questions. More satisfactory
answers. At some point someone in that forum suggests moving to the
*related* office suite. What would the user do?

5. Videos can be put up on YouTube.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Using HUD with LibreOffice

[Augustine Souza]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> 2012/6/13 NoOp 
> ...
> I don't. Could you test it and let us know? (or better, let Canonical and
> Ubuntu know?)
> ...

They know.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/760879
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lo-menubar/+bug/739184

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