Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
2011/6/4 Ian Lynch > On 4 June 2011 17:33, Charles-H. Schulz < > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > > Gianluca, Allen, > > > > My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. > > Allen confirmed my suspicions. I understand, then, that contributing > > anything now to openoffice means to contribute it to Oracle. > > > > Don't you think that is a bit over-paranoid? I mean Oracle is on a get out > strategy. If OOo was so valuable how come they didn't actually sell it off > to someone like IBM for real dollars? > they did best: Are trying to recruit workers "volunteers" at no cost. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Oracle has rejected the invitation e. .. passed the code to Apache! Something motivated move to Apache and not to TDF. The invitation for Oracle can be done for the Apache? If yes, could be on the condition of maintaining a software under the GPL? Eduardo Alexandre 2011/6/4 Zaphod Feeblejocks > Is it possible to allow Oracle to donate to Apache and then for TDF to go > to > Apache and say "Please let us have that?" > > Oracle are code-dumping because the community left them standing alone. > Oracle are acting as generous benefactors but may end up splitting the OS > community over this one. We do not need two near-identical office suites. > The duplication in effort is not worth it. > > The option of LibO becoming a customised build of Apache OO, where we take > from them and add our own things becomes a maintenance nightmare. LibO 3.4 > already has enough clear differences from OOo 3.4 that make the idea of > moving code modules back and forth difficult. There will be a lot of > re-engineering simply to keep things working and much potential to > introduce > bugs. > > >From a marketing point of view, the appearance of yet another OpenOffice > is > not helpful. We now have OpenOffice.org, Star Office, Oracle Open Office, > BrOffice, Go-oo, Apache OpenOffice, IBM Symphony, NeoOffice, Euro Office > and, of course, LibreOffice. At least when everything else was a build of > OOo with some addons, it could be understood. When TDF was set up, it was > a > case of everything else being a build of LibO with addons, plus > OpenOffice.org - and we hoped either Oracle would code-dump in our > direction, or just go away. > > When TDF was set up, there was an invitation to Oracle to take part. They > declined. This invitation should be passed on to Apache. They don't need > the hassle of maintaining a parallel project - especially one that the > wider > community has dropped. > > ZF > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
2011/6/4 Gianluca Turconi
> Yes, there may be coordination between TDF and Apache OOo development ("I
> give you something, you give me something"), but a direct contribution to
> Apache OOo is rather risky ("I give you something and... ehi, you have no
> duty to give me something back!" according to AFL v. 2.0).
>
> That isn't, really, what I want from a *free software* project.
>
> Plain and simple. :)
>
+1
o/
Eduardo Alexandre
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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Hi, In my opinion, after all history involving OpenOffice, the ideal would be that this code was donated to the TDF. Everything under the GPL. With the software under the Apache license, we can not "work directly" in LibreOffice because they can not use our effort due to license GPL-Apache. Thus, we must direct our efforts to the software under the Apache license and "reuse" what we want to LibreOffice. But it will also allow our volunteer work is used by large companies to "create " an unopened product for sale. We will be working for free. This is interesting? What is the advantage for the "community"? I think the "TDF members" could express any comment with the positives and negatives points. Eduardo Alexandre Gula -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
Hi! If I understand correctly: What is developed by the Apache license can be "used" at LibreOffice but what is done by LibreOffice can not be used by OpenOffice as OpenOffice would move to offer the principles of under the GPL. Thus, the suggestion would be to join efforts to OpenOffice under the Apache License and "used" what we want to use LibreOffice GPL? Am I wrong or so workers would be free for companies that want to "pack " the OpenOffice and sell it? I would understand this point... Greats, Eduardo Alexandre Gula LibreOffice Brazil 2011/6/4 Jesús Corrius > > And finally, whether it would make any sense from the technical point of > view for LibreOffice contributors to even try to participate in OOo at ASF > depends very much on what actually ends up there, and in what direction it > is taken by the presumed main driving force, IBM. For all we know, it might > be that the code that is eventually dumped in ASF's SVN (!) is a subset that > doesn't even build, and then IBM starts adding its own hitherto proprietary > stuff including build mechanisms that makes it into a completely different > beast than what we are used to. I suspect lots of Java is involved, and that > is not necessarily that popular around here. As if understanding and using > the "old" OOo build mechanisms which have been somewhat adapted at LO wasn't > hard enough. > > Good point, Tor. Is the source code available somewhere already? > I wouldn't join any Open Source project if I can't see the source code > first :) > > -- > Jesús Corrius > Document Foundation founding member > Mobile: +34 661 11 38 26 > Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Include country in the list of members
Hi! I would suggest that the list of members is placed on each of the country. If this isn´t the most appropriate list, please let me know. Thanks Eduardo Alexandre LibreOffice Brazil -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
