Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
involved to clearly know the available options, of which LibreOffice is a critical component. As a cross-platform application, it's a critical entry point for FLOSS migrations, and as opposed to Internet Explorer, the office suite is not integrated to the OS (at least not in pricing - we know evaluation version of MSO come in consumer systems). It is challenging for our community I think to have the opportunity to jump over the ocean for the LibreOffice conference venue. From how history has grown, nearly all previous conferences were held in Europe (for easiness I also count the conferences that were held before the making free of the OpenOffice project). It's certainly an opportunity to build a bridge. But I've no idea *if Montreal makes it easier and cheaper* for people from e.g. the US to join. Maybe someone can tell about that? I am not sure how to answer this. Paris-Montreal direct flights are common, so my initial suggestion would be to go to Paris if you're coming from Europe. You will avoid US customs and security which often delay boarding planes, resulting in missed flights - specially if it's your first time flying and you're not used to it. If you can avoir a connection via any US city - DO IT. Regarding accomodation/hotels, having traveled a few times to Europe, I can safely confirm it's as cheap as you can find there, and of course as cheap as you are willing to accomodate. If you want the youth hostel experience, or the luxury hotels, we have both, all *within walking distance* or very easy access through public transportation. Other than the traditional venues, if you take some time and introduce yourself to the local FLOSS community, I can almost guarantee you will find a place to stay among someone probably more interesting than the local hotel folks :) (no offense intended). Please let me know if this answers this question. In the Montreal proposal I see that the proposed time is from Friday evening until say Monday evening (October 11-14), because of the availability of the location during those days. We are used to a conference of three full day's tracks, and one (half) day in advance for more community-related meetings. And then often some extra time for social/tourist related events. Would there be an opportunity to host for the community meetings too? It does not mean that the same location should be available an extra day I think, but some good place, in the same area for convenience would of course be nice. Of course, there are plenty of local hacker spaces, university venues and local companies willing to lend space for this. Ideally unconferences or -camp style events coul dbe held at the same venue, but anyone is welcome to propose smaller events or piggy-back into the conference. Regarding social/tourist events, keep in mind Ottawa and Quebec city and only 2-3 hours away by car/train, New York/Boston 6-8 hours drive/bus. It's common for people coming here to conferences to book return flights from other cities where they spend a few days off after such events. This can also be very easily arranged over the Internet or by phone. We hope to get local presenters, of course, in addition to international guests - exposing local projects that never make much noise for fear of backlash is very important. Getting people that have worked on local project to network with other LibreOffice worldwide community members is essential to change the current dynamics of fear and status-quo. Quebec is also an ideal playground for FLOSS projects that have an essential component: they are multi-language friendly. With such multi-cultural heritage, I expect attendants to the conference to come from many backgrounds, and also from other francophone countries so language community meetings could be held too. I expect lots of interest in localization as we have a very diverse demographics here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Montreal Thanks in advance for trying to help me making up my mind! I do not promise - by the way - that no new questions will pop up after reading the replies ;-) Keep them coming :) I know the vote has started, but I hope this helps many to make up their mind for Montreal! Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez, TDF member Vice-Président FACIL http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca / Toll free: 1-855-445-4273 ~ FACIL, pour l'appropriation collective de l'informatique libre Montréal: +1-514-664-1260 / Québec: +1-418-907-9563 http://facil.qc.ca/fr/contactez-nous -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-12-21 07:48 AM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, thank you very much, and welcome to the lists! :-) One quick note: I have modified your proposal in one aspect - I removed the phone numbers. I wasn't sure whether you are comfortable having those in public. The rest of the proposal is, of course, unmodified. Florian It was initially for any board member wanting to contact us. I didn't realize initially this would become a public document. Many thanks for that! Cheers, Fabian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDUbIUACgkQfUcTXFrypNWrwgCfVEE5ch8Ty4uJtspi0PpFQChh kIEAn0Tgafht8eslEkSHI1DmV+6hfhtE =U+4g -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, As one of the co-writers of the Montreal proposal, I welcome any questions :) My personal contact information is also always current at http://magicfab.ca Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca Le 12-12-17 08:03 AM, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Following our public call for locations, [1] The Document Foundation has received the following two proposals for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, in alphabetical order: * Milan, Italy Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [2] * Montreal, Canada Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [3] The Document Foundation would like to thank all proponents for their support, which is truly appreciated! Soon, we will start a public vote to determine the location of the 2013 Conference. In the meantime, we invite the community to discuss with the proponents on our discuss mailing list [4] any questions they have. Thanks again, and looking forward to seeing you in 2013! [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation [2] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/milan2013.pdf [3] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/montreal2013.pdf [4] http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/info.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDTcD8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNXymACg1gB0AExdXezbIu45B6VzM3fm 784AoLWbdwUn515sGAaKoYlce7Q0WDuQ =jtiY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for the enterprise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-10-16 05:02 AM, Florian Monfort a écrit : [...] Enterprises are looking for a office productivity infrastructure that they can deploy in the cloud, and that could act the same as Google Doc/Drive does, but by doing it with full control over the documents. [...] There is at least one FLOSS project already offering that, although not in a collaborative-editing way, it's TikiWiki: http://www.webodf.org/apps/ Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libre.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB9bZwACgkQfUcTXFrypNX+RQCgguzvg6xC3fzCfUAJX85YOO6h iToAn3pVSqy1S50D5af8BmlYRqgD/2U+ =B+8Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]
On 08/16/2012 06:29 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote: Its not essential to have the zotero server as part of it although that is a nice feature. [...] IMO such features are essential, and an important part of why you'd use Zotero. I wish their server component evolves into a federated, open-data, FLOSS solution, though. That's something where the TDF can have influence on the Zotero project. Of course this isn't to say this should block such discussion, but keeping in line with LibreOffice context (FLOSS), such goals are possible to influence and reach. Such features/server dependency are the default, so it's always on for users doing research - they are always part of a group, and share references among them. In that sense it's essential. Users won't notice how this ties them to Zotero's infrastructure until their reference database grows, which confronts them to buying storage. The current Zotero implementation is pre-configured to use their server which includes document storage and social features implemented in a web front-end. The document-storage part can be configured to use other servers, not so for the other features. Let's not minimize this. Here are a few reasons why the server+social component side should be free, open source: - Anyone could setup their own (important in large deployments/ gov't / schools / etc where bandwidth usage and owning your data matters) - Zotero's own servers wouldn't need to scale up to such deployments or even work fully w/o Internet access - Zotero's pricing for storage may not fit every deployment's audience - Implementing local storage/sync on a server is not trivial for end-users. Not using sync at all is not a clear alternative. - Zotero's clients may at some time stop offering third-party storage options altogether - Zotero's servers are a single point of failure which won't help adoption when they fail - Zotero could add local installation / support to their offering, or even certify service providers. Competition among such providers would indirectly help LibO adoption. If anyone is going to Zotero with a proposal for collaboration with TDF/LibO, I wish they ask/mention the above. If I can be of any assistance in such discussions, I'll gladly make time. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]
On 08/16/2012 06:46 AM, lj wrote: A few months ago I revealed the problems in the referencing system in LO. [...] Zotero would have to be compatible with proprietary software it's as simple as that to get my vote. That would be the only reason why I would vote for zotero as a default referencing system for LO. it still has compatibility issues with proprietary software. One main reason is that educational institutions still use proprietary software. There are many reasons for this which i don't need to explain. By that logic we wouldn't use LibreOffice either. I agree with you that any such project needs to aim for a zero effort migration path from other systems to LibreOffice, much like it is for Zotero. That situation can only improve as adoption grows, which will need your support and vote. We can't cite current limitations as a reason to not go for it, though. When the gains and (monetary, among others) impacts to switch are enough, financing the effort to reach such zero effort for end-users becomes possible, particularly in large deployments. I will publish onto a wiki and send a link tomorrow about it. And maybe make suggestions about zotero? That would be most useful. I would add the suggestions I made in a previous post so they aren't lost in conversation :) Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Libre Office Zotero Integration [Proposition of a New Partner?]
On 08/14/2012 05:09 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote: Hi Guys I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it as a feature request or a partnership suggestion. My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work. For that to happen an important part of Zotero (the server, specificalloy the part that provides social features) would have to be removed from its functionality or made free, open source software. Otherwise this would be a closed-source deal, business-only deal, against LibreOffice core values, IMHO. I mentioned Zotero before without much enthusiasm here, that's another important element for this to succeed: core LIbreOffice users/devs using Zotero aren't many (or any, that I know of). I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I will outline my reasons as to why this could work below * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes for Zotero You are referring to the client component. The server is not free, open source. You can setup a server to store Zotero files, but it's not a trivial process and it lacks any and all ZOtero social features/web front-end. It's even advised against (for corruption risks) by Zotero. * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for many people Agreed! I believe I've suggested to remove it completely from LibO in the past, such is its current state. * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension which is also open source so at the same time we are not just supporting one open-source initiative but three! Firefox distribution is also bound to commercial restrictions, specifically regarding its trademark and binaries origin. I wouldn't use this argument, unfortunately it comes with strings attached. * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as well Looking at how setting up a third-party server is handled/ not encouraged, I feel the opposite. I'd love to be wrong, I haven't asked/pursued this so it would be a good idea to see this happen. * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero) * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project The above may be best discussed/addressed quickly on the marketing mailing list (this will surely catch Marc Paré's attention, an extraordinary contributor there). Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so wish! I am personally interested in this, so I can be of any help, specifically validating the free/non-free components and impact of keeping a close eye on such details, I'll gladly make myself available. Right now I am welcoming the 4th child in my family, a healthy boy born 2 days ago so I may not be as resposive but personal email always gets my attention :) Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Referencing systems and bibliographies in LO
still not clear about this topic. I suppose that's possible, give OneNote's format: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onenote#File_format I'd argue with the limited/basic implementation in LibreOffice, you'd have better chances to convince Zotero devs to approach this. Even then, you would not be the first: http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/4007/onenote-support/ Microsoft Word already understands Zotero quite well, BTW - via the clipboard. Are you allowed to use a thirs party tool like Zotero at all? LO needs a new default referencing system because I believe it is not clear enough or fast enough to store references for users using libreoffice writer. There are some confusing steps involved including using the bibliographic database where functions do not make sense. My opinion on this as I wrote above is it should be completely removed. LO should consider options I believe to make referencing separate from libreoffice base and making 2 referencing systems. One that integrates a utility with storing references using endnotes and footnotes with a simpler and faster design that can be used for advanced users in base to store multiple references for a main project, with a design that is based on the storage of references only. This can be from books images videos and websites. and a simpler system for users that want to generate a reference that is created with the usage of forms and detailed texts that can be linked to end notes and footnotes without the reference being stored in libreoffice base. I encourage you to make a formal proposal, but *please* use Zotero for a few weeks first/meanwhile. Most of your ideas seem to be already implemented there and I fear the LibO project could use your help in many more productive ways! Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Referencing systems and bibliographies in LO
On 07/12/2012 08:03 PM, lj wrote: If this is is in the wrong place please notify immediately of where I can post this in the right spot! [...] I have a few questions to ask about bibliographic referencing in Libreoffice: (some of these questions and statements are obvious and easy to answer others may not be relevant. Please reply with reasons and answers for disscussion about the referencing system [...]: This statement summarizes it best IMO: [The] bibliography referencing in Libreoffice, is vastly minimal but then is complex to use the referencing system and to follow the direct steps! In my dealings with a few customers I've helped with LibreOffice, they have moved to Zotero, a free, open source system to easily gather, share and use bibliography references. I am not expert with Zotero, but have explored it to determine how it works and what is needed. One important problem is you can't reproduce the current sharing/social/public web part of the service at zotero.org, but everything else is free, open source software. 3. compatability does not work between Microsoft Office and Libreoffice with the usage of both referencing systems from either word or libreoffice, features are excluded or do not work. (I can ellaborate on these if needed to be posted) What I've observed is that once users decide to go for LibreOffice, they will want to convert to other free,open source software (like Zotero). Using both operating systems/applications on either interchangeably becomes impractical very quickly. Keep in mind it's rather difficult to influence important changes/bug fixes in non-free, non-open source software, so it's a waste of time going that route (in my opinion!). I am very biaised about this, though, I encourage you to ask more questions and make your own opinion. 4. Recent versions of Microsoft Office since 2007 have tried to create uncomplex versions of referencing and bibliographic citations. These systems work, but are still limited. OneNote seems very popular. Keep in mind Microsoft is a business and will do everything it can to make it easy/pleasant/profitable to stay with Microsoft Office. Such a system won't exist in LibreOffice in the short or even long term specially when specialized 3rd party alternatives like Zotero exist and speciall when core functionality in LibreOffice is not feature-complete/bug-free yet. Someone / some organization would need to be very motivated and have good resources to attempt this. 5. LO should create a new referencing system. See above. Questions about referencing in LO: Not in any order. [..] I lack the time to answer more, hopefully someone else can jump in and help here. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Going to LibrePlanet? See you there :)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I'll be at LibrePlanet this coming weekend with a few fellow free software advocates from Quebec province (Canada): http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LPQC2012#LibrePlanet_2012_-_d.C3.A9l.C3.A9gation_qu.C3.A9becoise LibrePlanet is the annual conference organized by the Free Software Foundation: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet2012 If anyone from the TDF is going or presenting we may lend a hand for presentations or else. If there's a presentation or lightning talk I can give for the TDF or otherwiser, please also let me know. Sorry if this is such short notice, I only got confirmation and funding last Friday. Please let me know by email, I am also on IRC (#libreoffice) - MagicFab_ Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9p56EACgkQfUcTXFrypNWxowCg8Dh6CLE70/KTdM8qvwE8Be0o HgMAoLZppciEQQsQAFistwV2af4Zh1eJ =qVvP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?
On 12-02-29 07:18 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2012-02-29 11:36, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit : On 12-02-29 02:46 AM, Charles-H.Schulz wrote: Le mardi 28 février 2012 à 16:32 -0500, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi Olivier Le 2012-02-28 14:49, Olivier Hallot a écrit : [...] Heh :) : http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/63/ask-for-features-new-idea F. The question here though is, will the devs actually visit these pages often? It would be really nice if they did. Several kernel devs hang out on Ubuntu's QA site, resulting in very detailed, accurate replies - and the corresponding karma reward. The current seperation wall (in part implemented by the mailing lists) between regular users and devs should not be driven to a bug tracker. Perhaps, this discussion should really be taken up on the dev list with devs only and you (the devs) tell us the way that you would prefer to have suggestions funnelled back to you. We could then refine the process after we know as to which format the devs would like to receive the feature requests. IMO, I prefer the method we now have of someone proposing a feature/enhancement on the discussion list where we can all have a discussion about it and then someone adding it to the bugzilla once it has been refined. I don't see much value with people proposing features and the masses ranking it up or down with little discussion. But this is only my opinion. The discussion doesn't have to go away, quite the opposite. In fact in some questions I've already suggested to bring some topics to the UX mailing list. Here's an example: http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/387/how-can-i-get-a-split-view-of-a-document-like-in Ultimately, whether a feature is accepted or not usually rests on whether a dev will actually adopt it. Our system of meritocracy pretty well drives the end process. This is also a recurring topic on this list, marketing and website lists. It would be nice if the process could be defined and wikified. You're mixing up two things here. A dev can adopt a feature (or even implement a feature he wants) directly, but it rests on the community to accept it, not the other way around. Normally a feature would go through such due process, in some cases it may be rejected even if several devs line up to implement it. F. -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?
On 12-02-29 02:46 AM, Charles-H.Schulz wrote: Le mardi 28 février 2012 à 16:32 -0500, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi Olivier Le 2012-02-28 14:49, Olivier Hallot a écrit : Good question indeed, I use to receive demand directly in this mail address. May be we should turn this page to get more visibility: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development#Lists_of_enhancements_and_missing_features Regards - -- Olivier Hallot Is this page really used by the devs? I have never seen this page. Would it not make more sense to put a feature request as a bug for the devs and this way there would be a followup on the bugzilla?[1] NO! I know for a fact devs would hate seeing a million feature requests in the bug reports, and bugzilla is really English-only. This would further exclude contribution in other languages. We could have a staging zone for such requests, and have people vote on such. Sound familiar ? Read on... [...] +1. Another way that may still happen on the wiki is to draft a full specification. Basically if we write something like you should improve the background look behind the page on Writer, it does not mean anything. You need to explain that this component inside Writer ought to be changed in this or that way and provide an actual and practical suggestion. Otherwise devs will think they don't have enough guidance or details to code the said feature. But I concur with Marc, Bugzilla is your friend :-) Best, Charles. We could just as well just agree on a tag Feature Request and also Possible Bug so we can easily identify such content in AskBot. AskBot already has voting and karma, so every month or every once in a while the feature requests or bugs that have the most votes would then get discussion/implementation/blueprint time. Just a thought. F. -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Best way to suggest new features ?
Hi, I am answering some questions in AskBot and in several occasions some comments may translate into useful new features. Where should I suggest someone take such feature requests / suggestions ? UX seems like one place but bug reports may also be faster for some smaller additions. If there is an existing process for this or any suggestions on how to best deal with such contributions I'd love to get fresh information. Cheers, Fabian -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] MS Outlook?
On 12-02-15 04:28 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 15/02/2012 08:58, Shawn Sumin wrote: Will LibreOffice ever have a similar program like MS Outlook? i.e. Calendar, Tasks, Contacts and Mail I think you'll find this has been done to death many times before. The answer will be no - for (in my view) the reason that the User can then choose what PIM suits them, unlike Office users who if they want true integration HAVE to use the included MS Outlook. There are at least two open source equivalents - Thunderbird with the Lightning Calendar extension, and Evolution. Both have pros and cons, as indeed does MS Outlook. Right, I also saw Sunbird mentioned elsewehre on this thread. Please take note that the Sunbird project has been discontinued in favor of the Lightning extension. From their website: This is the last public Sunbird release by the Calendar Project. *We recommend upgrading to Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com and Lightning https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2313/. *Cheers, Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] official forums
On 11/11/2011 03:28 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [] The next steps to me are: 1. Determine which software to use. Some proposals and compilations have come in, namely: [...] c. http://stackoverflow.com (Alex will provide a VM to test that soon.) [...] Why is this preferred to Shapado, and why isn't Shapado considered at all ? shrugs Fabian Rodriguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On 10/31/2011 07:26 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Marc-André Laverdière wrote: I think that most people on the mailing list know about stack exchange, and how rockin' it is. I think it would bee a) cool and b) a boon to our mutual users to just migrate our forums to stack exchange. Seems someone else already had that idea: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/24564/libreoffice Hi Marc-André, all, A while ago I proposed using Shapado, which I set up some time after the LibreOffice project started: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ To me it's a forums-on-steroids tool. It has the advantage of using free, open-source software and most importantly, supporting multiple languages within the same engine. No need to vote to use it, in fact you can create any other subject QA using Shapado in a matter of minutes. I saw OpenID mentioned in this discussion, it is supported in Shapado (in addition to Google, Facebook and Twitter for maximum exposure). There have been major changes in the last few months to its backend. I haven't been able to promote it or enhance it as I would have liked as I've been away from the project for a few months now, but if anyone visited it at the time and goes back now, the changes are obvious. It's also quite high in search results when looking for LibreOffice help. If I remember well, I had also connected its RSS feeds to corresponding hashtags in Identi.ca and Twitter. Because anyone can run their own instance of Shapado on their servers, this could be eventually integrated as an official resource. Anyways, just another option to consider. Cheers, -- Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On 10/31/2011 03:49 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, [...] What I took from this thread is, that there are two options: One de.openoffice.org, and the other one the LibreOffice forum. Anyone already got in touch with those folks? IIRC, there had been discussions, with some groups, and that didn't work out - but I must confess I don't know which ones. Honestly, my preference would be to have our own forum and see if it works. If not, we tried it, and we don't lose that much. What I see is a desire to proclaim ownership over such resources - when in fact what would be desirable would be to integrate existing active, useful resources to the current TDF governance structure and encourage new initiatives. My only contact at the time was with the LibreOffice forum admin, here is the message I sent back in January introducing him as a contact to maintain (this email went unanswered) - it should still be possible to contact him directly via the site contact forms: Original Message Subject:Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:03:48 -0500 From: Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org Organization: Unorganized. Really. But if you must know - http://fabianrodriguez.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org [...] I just registered to http://libreofficeforum.org and I am fairly certain it uses Drupal. I took the liberty to contact its creator and he's already indicated he's willing to collaborate: I would be glad to see LibreOfficeForum.org as the official forum. I personally am not a developer, and I don't have any official role in LibreOffice. For years I have been a heavy user of OpenOffice, spending many hours on it every day. And now I'm sure that the way forward is LibreOffice. I'm not an expert yet, just a heavy user. ;-) I created the site immediately after LibreOffice was announced, because I saw that they had no web forums, and I personally don't like mailing lists. And I know that there are several unofficial forums as well for OpenOffice (like oooforum.org), so I'm sure that this site could also occupy that role if the Document Foundation doesn't approve it officially. It appears likely that LibreOffice will continue to diverge more and more from the code base of OpenOffice, and it would be confusing to see bugs and support requests for two different products in the same forum. So for that reason I would personally recommend that the Document Foundation not continue to use the same user.services.openoffice.org forum for LibreOffice. - Sam I supposed someone from TDF / steering committee could maintain this contact more formally than me, I hope I am not overstepping anyone when doing this. Cheers, Fabian -- -- Fabián Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Reporting Ubuntu bugs in LO - PPA or Official LO - Clarification needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11-02-04 11:05 AM, emarkay wrote: Reporting Ubuntu bugs ... via: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport As this is a multiplatform program, I can understand that the main user of it (Ubuntu) is to have a separate bug system. Thus, the first question is: What if a Ubuntu-reported bug also affects Windows version, for example, or vice versa; what's the link to ensure both (or all relevant OS platform issues) are addressed? If an Ubuntu-specific bug is also present in other platforms, it should be reported upstream (at freedesktop.org's bugzilla). Reporting Ubuntu-only bugs upstream also helps expose them to other platforms in order to determine if they are present or not. I also view it as a trail where others may end up finding your report and confirming / rejecting it. Some of this is from personal experience, some from online docs and readings. The current maintainers may have more / better details about this. I wrote a short note to Björn so he looks at it and comment back. Second, and most important, LO is standard issue now in Ubuntu Natty, which is still in Beta at this time. There is no Official Ubuntu LO support for the current release (Maverick), nor the prior LTS (Long Term Support) release, Lucid, nor prior active Ubuntu releases. There is, however a PPA that is supported by the Document Foundation; thus while not blessed by the Ubuntu authorities, is tested there by some official LO developers, and is as good as we'll get for Lucid and Maverick users who want to migrate to LO. The PPA is as official as it gets and currently Canonical has staff maintaining it (at least 2): https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+members#active As I understand it this PPA is a staging area which has the same packages you find in Ubuntu 11.04 (so, in development) and it's also built for Maverick and Lucid. It's convenient to use and lets you easily remove LibO if you decide to do so. The chances of this getting into the main repository for Maverick are most probably none - it's only there for convenience and no official support (in terms of commercial support by Canonical) may be offered for that. For Ubuntu 10.04 LTS I believe it's the same situation, but LTS releases sometimes get some exceptions. Firefox is a notable one where current releases of FF were rolled back into older stable Ubuntu versions. I lack the time to gather references but it should be easy to trace back such exceptions. I am not sure the PPA was put together initially by TDF but regardless, you now have Canonical staff looking into it, and Debian has LibO packages in the experimental repository, which to me means everything is in place to have an official release on time for Ubuntu 11.04. If you're planning any migration from OOo to LibO, your best path (IMO) would be to focus on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and perhaps have trials using the PPA in 10.04 LTS before that. You'll think it's a long shot until you sit and try it :) It does take some time to make such changes. Of course in any *production environment* migration considerations, the only authority to speak on what is supported commercially or not on Ubuntu by them is Canonical - just call and ask, as you would for any other product you want to use before doing so. And no, this doesn't stop anyone else from offering such support and go ahead with migration before 11.04 is out anyways. But why do that when the release is 2 months away (other than wanting to stay at 10.04 LTS for its life duration..). So, the final question is, do Lucid and Maverick Ubuntu users submit bug reports to the Ubuntu Launchpad, even though there is no development or support for those 'Ubuntus', or to the Bugzilla location? Yes, they should file bugs there. I consider it even better if they take the time to file bugs upstream too but not everyone knows how to do so and it may end up being considered noise - plus Ubuntu users normally are fast on the problem = bug path. Forums and QA such as Shapado may help alleviate that. I hope I also cleared up the there is no development. So far Debian packages and the PPA as I have observed them are keeping up tightly to the current releases so there should be no need to install .debs directly. Bernhard commented on this elsewhere, and said as he sees it, The Ubuntu paragraph on the wiki page describes how to handle Ubuntu *specific* bugs. This makes sense, but again doesn't differentiate between the official and the PPA. There fact there is a paragraph there is highlighting that difference. If you installed manually .debs, you shouldn't. If you report an Ubuntu bug and you installed .deb manually, you'll probably be asked to install using the PPA to remain consistent. However it is noted that Filing a bug report at FreeDesktop.org as described above is also useful as such upstream reports can then be checked (and possibly tested and fixed) for other LibreOffice versions. He suggested
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreo ffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffic e-design] Urgent call for sampl e files for producing screenshots
I'd be happy to provide Trisquel / Ubuntu screenshots which would also mean the docs can be freely licensed. I can provide a few samples, how many screenshots would be needed total? sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Drew, On 08/01/2011 16:45, David Nelson wrote: Hi Drew, :-) Or, if you feel able to help out by taking screenshots yourself, then: a) a big thanks for the helping hand! ;-) b) take them under MS Windows using a DARK SLATE GRAY theme (window frame, etc) (I fail to believe that Bill is going to sue us because we took screenshots of our own product under MS Windows...) Sorry to insist but I don't want to take the risk : This is what is written on the site :* Requirements for Allowed Uses* For permission to be granted for any uses allowed by these guidelines, you must comply with the following four requirements: 1. If your use includes references to a Microsoft product, you must use the full name of the product. When referencing any Microsoft trademarks, follow the General Microsoft Trademark Guidelines http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/Trademarks/Default.aspx. 2. You must include the following statement: Used with permission from Microsoft. 3. Your use may not be obscene or pornographic, and you may not be disparaging, defamatory, or libelous to Microsoft, any of its products, or any other person or entity. 4. You may link to Microsoft content by using either a plain text link with words such as This way to Microsoft.com or by participating in an applicable Link Logo program. No other images may be used as a link to a Microsoft site. Screen Shots You may not use screen shots of Microsoft product boot-up screens, opening screens, splash screens, or screens from beta release products or other products that have not been commercially released. You may use other screen shots in advertising, in documentation (including educational brochures), in tutorial books, in videotapes, or on Web sites, provided that, in addition to the requirements above, you: 1. Do not alter the screen shot except to resize it. 2. Do not use portions of screen shots. 3. Do not include screen shots in your product user interface. 4. Do not use screen shots that contain third-party content. 5. Do not use screen shots that contain an image of an identifiable individual. So it is clear that you're not allowed to take screenshots showing LibO on a Windows system. And I don't find very sexy to add on each Used with permission from Microsoft As said you can adapt the LibO theme and your Linux them to look more Windows like and everything will be ok. This is what we have done for years for OOo and guess what, we have sell several copy of it ;-) Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
