Re: [tdf-discuss] Calc usability issue (autocorrect of small letter to capital letter)
2011/3/8 Irmhild Rogalla irmhild.roga...@institut-pi.de Am 08.03.2011 16:14, schrieb Kevin André: Calc seems to autocorrect a small letter to a capital letter after a dot character. This is not a bug, it's a feature ;-) But you can stopp it: In Calc choose - Tools - AutoCorrect Options ... Turning it off completely isn't the right solution :-) Autocorrection makes mistakes sometimes, and a user should be able to correct such mistakes when they happen. But that's not possible in Calc right now (though it is possible in Writer). By the way, did I send this to the right list? Or should I've sent it to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org instead? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Calc usability issue (autocorrect of small letter to capital letter)
Calc seems to autocorrect a small letter to a capital letter after a dot character. But a dot character does not always mean the end of a sentence; in this case it was used for an abbreviation. And sadly there is no way to undo a wrong autocorrection: pressing undo will revert the entire input of the cell. Please provide a way to undo the autocorrection, or make calc realise that when a user changes 'R' to 'r' in a cell it shouldn't make it an 'R' again :) That's really frustrating. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same format in which the original message was received) I agree. And users will wonder why they can open a document they received, make some simple changes, but are asked for different name when saving the file. They will say why can't this program simply save my changes?. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:51, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 December 2010 10:37, Kevin André hyperquan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the same format in which the original message was received) I agree. And users will wonder why they can open a document they received, make some simple changes, but are asked for different name when saving the file. They will say why can't this program simply save my changes?. You can get away with being arrogant when you have 80% of the market. Right. But LibreOffice doesn't have that kind of market share... Most of the people using a WP have no idea about file formats, they will assume if it comes in as it needs to go out as . (Actually a lot will never even have used save as..) If there is no facility to do this there is a reasonable chance they will reject the use of the software out of hand. Indeed. I argued that forcing users to save an OOXML document in another format is something that users will not understand at first, and they probably won't like it either. As for the save as, with the read-only OOXML policy they will see a dialog appear that they only expect to see when saving a brand new document (that has no filename yet) or when explicitly doing save as. This isn't about logic to a sophisticated computer user, it is about the average user who has no technical knowledge and has picked up a WP by trial and error. And that is why I think it's a bad idea to have the application do something they do not expect. MS by luck or judgement have been very good at exploiting ignorance. School systems don't teach word processing, they teach MS Word. It's why we need better education and a certification programme for users that covers stuff like file formats and the principles of WP not just one product. Better education for users would be the optimal solution, but it's not something you can force to happen. And it will not 'fix' all those people that already got their 'education' in the past. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 15:31, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: A possible compromise???: move all (I mean ALL) non native formats to the Export menu and let save/save as for the native formats only. Also, disable the possibility to change the default format for saving documents: in my experience on forums, many problems are fixed when you explain users that it is not good idea to use ms formats to _store_ files, that they need to use ODF to store and export only when needed. There are still people who can actually use OOo instead of MSO, because of the option to change the default format. I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely, but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format display a confirmation message which says something like: You are saving your file in a proprietary format. We cannot guarantee that the file will still open correctly in another program. Please use an open file format for saving your document if possible. Are you still sure you wish to save in the current format? And display a checkbox below that can disable the message, or maybe add a note You can disable this message by going to Options-. and have no checkbox at all. And the message would appear by default even for the binary MS formats (.doc, .xls, .ppt, ...). MS Office does the same thing when saving in ODF format, and they seem to lack an option to disable the message, even when the document to be saved uses only features that are completely supported by ODF. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 17:14, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: On 12/31/2010 10:03 AM, Kevin André wrote: I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely, but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format display a confirmation message which says something like: You are saving your file in a proprietary format. We cannot guarantee that the file will still open correctly in another program. Please use an open file format for saving your document if possible. Are you still sure you wish to save in the current format? And display a checkbox below that can disable the message, or maybe add a note You can disable this message by going to Options-. and have no checkbox at all. And the message would appear by default even for the binary MS formats (.doc, .xls, .ppt, ...). This is a much better idea. However, I should note that even ODF files--despite the hype--are not 100% on preserving formatting when moved from one application to another. I have my letterhead saved as ODF done in OOo, but when I open it in AbiWord the formatting is all over the place. I know. But users need to be informed, even if it's with a short message that is not 100 percent accurate. Maybe a longer explanation could be provided in a help file or something, and then provide a reference to it from the short message. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
