RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Dear Dennis, On Sun, October 2, 2011 22:00, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Mark, I think my question was concrete and very clear: How about you just read the goddamn RFC's for email protocol and stop whining about it? Which RFC's are you talking about? Numbers please. I don't see how RFC 1885 can be meant. RFC 1885 is one of the inspirations for the document foundation netiquette page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette These guidelines have been inspired by Mozilla Posting Guidelines, with important additions from http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php and http://www.woodgate.org/FAQs/netiquette.html. Original Netiquette guidelines: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855. Netiquette on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette. Other useful information about the Netiquette: http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_nq.htm.; They are just guidelines, but ones which are generally considered good practice on mailing lists. Please read them and try to follow them as much as possible to keep discussions as pleasant and productive. With respect to your question on top-vs-bottom-posting, the netiquette gives a guideline, it is best to just follow that and use some tools that facilitate the bottom-post/interspersed-style. And please refer to the section on Let Sleeping Dogs Lie. We all have out pet-peeves that we would like to discuss and rehash indefinitely. Please resist the urge. Thanks, Mark -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Hi, On Sun, October 2, 2011 20:29, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: How about you just read the goddamn RFC's for email protocol and stop whining about it? Which RFC's are you talking about? Numbers please. Please don't top-post (fixed it for you in this message). I assume the reference is to basic netiquette, which is RFC 1885. But for this list, please refer to (which is also in the mailinglist footer): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Thanks, Mark -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] More statistics
Hi, There was a little discussion on lwn.net about the staggering amount of support that LibreOffice is seeing. I hunted down some statistics from various pages because at first I also couldn't believe the numbers: https://lwn.net/Articles/454200/ According to ohloh (BTW is there a free alternative to that service?) it is even more than 400 committers over the last year: http://www.ohloh.net/p/libreoffice/factoids/7758072 cia.vc also reports a staggering amount of commit messages: 32812 messages since the first one, 0.84 years ago, for an average of 13.39 minutes between messages http://cia.vc/stats/project/libreoffice Their wiki says there are 277 active users (who made changes the last 3 months), with a total of 32,311 edits: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Statistics The LibreOffice credits page has even more people listed (611 committers, 1005 wiki contributors), but read the fine print about double counting and also recognizing previous OpenOffice.org contributors: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/ I could not find statistics for their mailinglists: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ But their main development mailinglist http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/ is seeing between 1200 and 1700 messages a month. gmane might be able to give some statistics about the others: http://gmane.org/find.php?list=documentfoundation There were some followup questions about statistics of contributors for translations and documentation. Does anybody have more accurate numbers on those (or as accurate as these things get, I understand that all statistics are lies)? Or better estimates of the numbers I found above? Thanks, Mark -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] News about the world outside LO :)
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 10:30 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote: I think Symphony has done a great job with its UI work--that's what I'd most like to see come under an open source license. - tabbed document interface lets you open multiple files in one window - a dashboard like the OOo / LibO splash screen, but you can open it from a button that appears on the tab bar. This fits into the dashboard functionality with potential integration into online services, as I have envisioned and previously described: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Dashboard_Concept - formatting and other tools appear in a vertical column on the side of the main document window, which is one of the most-frequently requested UI features I've seen come through the OOo and LibO communities That would be interesting indeed. But according to one of the IBM engineers [*] they are only interested in contributing the C++ parts (and strangely seem to want to keep using their own in-house ClearCase setup for integration). The GUI (menu/toolbars and the tab windows) stuff is all implemented using Expeditor [**] a giant (proprietary) eclipse based java framework that embeds the C++ document views. So hopefully they are also prepared to free Expeditor. Symphony also has some problems: - it's very slow to open the application initially - removed the Draw component - I think (?) it's even more Java-dependent than OOo ever was Yes, it includes a JVM (IBM's proprietary J9 one) and most of the Eclipse framework for the GUI stuff. I have seen some questions on what exactly it is that is being offered, but nobody from IBM has replied with any specifics yet. Cheers, Mark [*] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201107.mbox/% 3coffe6eaa9d.2c929e08-on482578cd.000d5e79-482578cd.00116...@cn.ibm.com% 3E [**] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lxpd/ (a 800MB proprietary download...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] The Document Foundation background
Hi Florian, On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 11:57 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Indeed, we seem to lack some comprehensible page directly reachable with all the details. However, we have been regular announcing status and facts via e-mail, our blog, social networks, and the donations (challenge) page has also some background on it. I would say anyone who looked a bit at the project would find out things. I agree, however, at a first glance, things might indeed be a bit hard to discover, and looking at how fast things went at Apache, I understand that things needed explanation. We should indeed add a short note to http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ And if possible please also add a News from the TDF Blog widget to the frontpage like already on libreoffice.org. Then it would be immediately clear that The Document Foundation is a lively and active entity. Currently it takes some poking around from the homepage to finally end up on http://blog.documentfoundation.org/ where all the latest news is. Cheers, Mark -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
