Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2012 11:51 AM, Pedro wrote: > Steven Shelton wrote >> We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way >> Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6 >> are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a >> spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was >> smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the "new" version. > > Just marked it as "Regression". This should give it a higher priority. Now > lets hope some dev fancies fixing it :) Thank you! You rock! > Just choose which version you want ;) > http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/stable/ > > even Beta versions... > http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/testing/ Good to know! Of course, I never would have found it from the "Downloads" page . . . . - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAqe5oACgkQXUonIzCvpdP7GQCgn5EQU9RKfWXALP5b5/n3KP8Y SBgAn3ZgHnyN49LUJaBQeHNRt5J2//4v =V7wF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/11/2012 4:26 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Pedro wrote (10-08-12 21:03) >> [...] >> However the ONLY download visible in the Download page is 3.6.0 (it takes 4 >> or 5 pages in not so obvious links to get to version 3.5.5 > > Good catch, as we call that. Thanks. > I've added a link to the release notes page, linking to download-more page, offering 3.6.0 and 3.5.5. > > Something we have to keep in mind too for the 3.5.6 version, in RC2 at the moment... Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than 3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5. We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6 are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the "new" version. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAqaewACgkQXUonIzCvpdPBtgCfQwC777isqusHvl+XgplTj6Td B7cAn3+G0eYcCZ5sra4MfGfOzbFHBwlR =Gs8Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/22/2011 7:23 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > Even worse, given that MSO has the greatest market share it means that most legacy documents use the MSO formats. I knew many people that refused to switch from Word Perfect when I told them that OOo would NOT read their document archives that they spent years creating. As an aside, since when does OOo not open WordPerfect files? I used it to open one just this morning. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4tyeYACgkQXUonIzCvpdNdKACbBpfEGUgA8atQIiC4V2GXQPKu wV8AoKJLAVUuK/WnHsJViQ4eNWfJHZT0 =4CUp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Trouble installing on Windows XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/12/2011 6:27 PM, Jesús Corrius wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, abenglen > wrote: >> When the installation stops (hangs) at about 4/5th the way on the >> progress bar, both the NEXT and BACK buttons are ghosted, but I >> can click on CANCEL which prompts a warning window asking if I am >> sure I want to cancel the installation. When I click on YES, >> nothing happens, and the only why to clear the installation >> window(s) is by using "End Task" of the Windows Task Manager. >> Using "Alt + Tab" did not show any other warning screen. > > Can you run the file libreoffice33.msi through this utility: > > http://www.installsite.org/files/iswi/MsiTools.zip > > and then enable the logging "[*] - All Options" after choosing a > log file. That log file will help us to find the problem. I'm having the same problem, except my problem came in trying to upgrade from Libo 3.3 to Libo 3.3.1. The first install hung at the end, so I had to three-finger-salute it and kill the process, after which it would only allow me to repair or remove it. I chose repair, and got the error that another installation was still in process. (There wasn't.) Took care of that error and got it to run, but the repair hangs at the end like the initial install did. I have a log, which I can attach if necessary. However, the only thing I could find that looked even remotely suspicious was this message, which shows up three or four times in the log: "The file C:\Program Files\LibreOffice 3\Basis\program\shlxthdl\shlxthdl.dll is being held in use . Close that application and retry." Note that ALL of the Libo-related (and OOo-related) processes had been killed before I ran the installer. Any ideas on this? - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1mglwACgkQXUonIzCvpdMNpgCfc4AJsr7Y+/si5LmwkGPFRKsX I88AoJtUN2DdtFSK1P/gygBsl7GUDSIy =MtLz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/1/2011 12:52 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a > computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of > MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS applications. > This DOES affect LibO. [snip] > "As a result, the government needed a way to define what devices > qualify as computers, which led to the decision to deem a device a > computer only if it runs Microsoft Windows. This means that, as > far as the French government is concerned, a tablet running any > other operating system -- including Linux, Mac OS, or Android -- is > just a device used by pirates who need to be taxed." As an attorney, my suspicion is that this story has something misleading about it. What I actually suspect is that there may have been an exemption created for Windows machines because MS may already be paying some kind of licensing-related tax, and taxing Windows machines would be a double-tax. There are hundreds of examples of this in tax law throughout the world, usually related to tariffs of some sort (i.e., the domestic manufacturers of Product X have to pay a tax that foreign manufacturers don't, so a tax is created on Product X that specifically exempts the domestic manufacturers). - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0iDIQACgkQXUonIzCvpdNpVwCeO26EZ+5/joVMlBFeZx/roK18 9KkAnjUXOmpiO0cyXtWcj+DeYrJUK62F =QDAb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2010 5:14 PM, BRM wrote: > Agree. LibO should only read OOXML if anything at all. [snip] > ODF for that matter - should treat OOXML like Microsoft treats ODF > and other formats - as third party as possible. In other words, > read support should be something that users must enable; Save > support should not be possible - it must be converted to either an > older MS format (e.g. doc, xls) or ODF. Ah . . . so your solution is to make our application harder to use than MS Office so that users will come to us instead of MS Office? Interesting concept . . . > We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF > is quickly becoming the world standard at least at the government > level - which means in a few years most organizations that support > governments will need to support ODF too, and a few years after > that organizations that support those organizations, and so forth. > MS has lost the file format battle to ODF - it's just time before > OOXML (especially) and their legacy formats are gone. In case you haven't noticed, the open source community isn't in a position to "force" MS to do anything. And it never will be as long as OS applications are aimed only at power users, with documentation that is written in geek and features useful to a significant portion of users that have to be manually turned on by the users. So far, OOo has been really good about aiming at intermediate-level office users, and it's easy enough for a lot of entry-level use. I would hope that LibO would continue that trend. But as has already been pointed out, 90% of office software users honestly don't care a thing about (or even know about) file formats, open source v proprietary, or the politics of software. All they want to know is: (1) How much does it cost? (2) Does it do what I need it to do? (3) How easily does it do what I need it to do? (4) Will I have to spend a ton of time retraining myself and setting things up to get it to do what I need it to do? Making LibO by default not read (or not be able to exchange) files written in the format set by default by the market dominator because of a philosophical or political stance is highly impractical and will make the application less useful to end users . . . thus reducing your own market share. In other words: if you want to "stick it to Microsoft", this is not the way to do it. All you are doing is making their office suite more attractive than ours. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0eA4wACgkQO+AD2HqgRoDs2QCgvr7OFlkLAj7c/VAfYr2a9MKl hkUAnA8m9Tuo0AFyFqgpIVewRj+pWmZB =wKrG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/2010 10:03 AM, Kevin André wrote: > I would suggest the following instead. Support OOXML completely, > but when the user saves his/her document in a proprietary format > display a confirmation message which says something like: "You are > saving your file in a proprietary format. We cannot guarantee that > the file will still open correctly in another program. Please use > an open file format for saving your document if possible. Are you > still sure you wish to save in the current format?" And display a > checkbox below that can disable the message, or maybe add a note > "You can disable this message by going to Options->." and have > no checkbox at all. And the message would appear by default even > for the binary MS formats (.doc, .xls, .ppt, ...). This is a much better idea. However, I should note that even ODF files--despite the hype--are not 100% on preserving formatting when moved from one application to another. I have my letterhead saved as ODF done in OOo, but when I open it in AbiWord the formatting is all over the place. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0eAVIACgkQO+AD2HqgRoAjEQCgtP6N89BiTGWq+bUaO+rgfsmt LJcAn0j5u5MRhvhlxLtUWjZVVO6L1Yh7 =hFE0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/2010 12:27 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > I will not support or use LibreOffice > until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this > file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this > proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using > ODF and open source formats. On the other hand . . . isn't that doing exactly what MS does? Do two wrongs make a right? I thought the idea behind this particular office suite was to make any file accessible to the extent possible. That's why I use it. Regardless of what LibO does, MS is going to continue to use OOXML, and if the open source suites don't support it, then they are shooting themselves in the foot and essentially doing MS's bidding by ensuring that people who want to exchange files in that format have to buy MS products. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0c6CIACgkQO+AD2HqgRoAFmACeJfN63kpY0scYYf4nh9HI6M3d m18AoMuiy7TqhzLg8pxuMEch0eDp2nKD =Lj+L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Question regarding font spacing . . .
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is probably not the right list for this, but . . . I've noticed that since I started using LibO (RC1), that the fonts do not space the same in Writer as they do in OOo. I'm not using the default fonts; these are form letters that have been on my hard drive for years. When I open them in OOo, they look fine. When I open them in LibO, they seem to have a bit more space between the characters. For instance, words are forced to wrap in LibO when they are near the right-hand margin of the page when those same words do not wrap in OOo. (I've tested using OOo 3.1, 3.2, and the latest 3.3 RCs.) Anyone else observed this, or able to explain why? - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0TfYMACgkQXUonIzCvpdN3hACfcM/8Q5Helti5+SvmkGn9Hc5n 5CsAnR0umEfMMY0kACmUvklOXYSq915K =0vAz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Name Change for LibreOffice Applications
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/7/2010 11:40 AM, Eduardo Moreno wrote: > El 07/12/10 10:20, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió: >> Today there was an announcement that KOffice got a new name >> (Calligra) and they also renamed some of the Applications. >> "KWord" became "Words", "KSpread" became "Tables" and >> "KPresenter" was renamed to "Stages". >> >> I was wondering whether such a name change has been considered >> for the LibreOffice Applications. >> >> >> > I like the names of the applications. I do, too, and I think they are consistent, descriptive (what the heck does "stages" mean?), and well-known throughout the community of users. I don't see a need to change simply for the sake of change. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz+ZboACgkQXUonIzCvpdNNwACfXbpcEixZeC89qjR8iw0wzkLq mPAAnit0ijubFx0a8Tlt8IVBjk3dTGUY =rW61 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 6:32 PM, Ian wrote: > The legal profession is hardly a good precedent for technology > innovation :-) Touché! - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzT7uoACgkQO+AD2HqgRoAicgCeKMamzYvC134eeO+9MANWYEG5 tk8AoIMWLZnx6MXDnpDaF2Zcd35Usgvl =IcjP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:31 PM, e-letter wrote: > In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. > android) is more important than windoze. Really? Because I can't recall the last time I drafted a legal brief on my cell phone. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0xWQXUonIzCvpdMRAnSCAJ4s3hGgdTtdAENyeudYKX/euYo26wCgpHa6 6MigCNNEtmMtVCvM0vxQDkA= =O91C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 2:39 PM, Robert Derman wrote: > It is used primarily in academic situations as a means of testing > formatting options where you don't want students to be distracted by the > contents of the text. Since the text is in Latin, a language that few > of them will understand, they will ignore it. And by publishers and designers, who want to see how a page will look before they have the copy to insert into it. It's actually a tremendously valuable tool that I use very, very frequently. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0wJpXUonIzCvpdMRAvxKAJ4qtRQxBx4853FIIeE653f1M3G9zQCgoJfT Iz9OuZ66l4c03nifGo3WnoI= =X8b7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 8:25 AM, Peter Rodwell wrote: > I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) the first time it's called; after > that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell > workhorse. It's significantly longer--several seconds--on my more modest Win XP box running at 2.4 gHz on a P4 processor. I'd hazard a guess that my box is more typical. > As I mentioned in my reply to Marc's posting, the advanced features > could be hidden, to be opened with an "Advanced" button. "Pretty" certainly > is an important aspect that's lacking in it right now. No argument from me on either point! - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0rR9XUonIzCvpdMRAi3wAKCeEpAoi8dOn9ZpbvjauuoEqf9WlACeNIQ8 tM6FOTq24Wl/Dvt3iYvaZNo= =0jE/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >> I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it >> will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available >> spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and >> try it. > > I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can > comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. This is fixed in Beta 2. However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzSo7oACgkQO+AD2HqgRoCKNQCfZBT7URbKzXTJA5o+aomrg6iV HLwAoMzsetSNzhAw6DkvrGhYw8le1TLV =L//5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a > feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative > impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the application to be seen as a professional level app, "pretty" is an important part of that. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzSoxMACgkQO+AD2HqgRoAfsgCgyt4uKr0vHqyjMLki1Eo/x5jd CaIAoI3F5oOClidbmApT697nRjp7Oj8R =Mg/4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/15/2010 2:16 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > I would be careful in trimming too many extensions. People coming from > MSOffice will expect full compatibility and if it is not there, and they > have to "work" at it to get it to do the same thing, well, we will lose > them. We should make sure that LibO is as able (at it's most minimal > state) to do as much as MSOffice. Don't trim off extensions to the point > where the vanilla version does less. I agree with that, but I also see where users in a corporate environment might need (for legal purposes) to not have certain extensions included due to licensing. (GPL, for all the good it does, creates some issues in this regard.) And, as was mentioned, not everyone has a JRE installed. On the other hand, there are some extensions I see as so useful, I can't imagine working without them. (The BookmarksMenu extension has become so ingrained in my work habits that I lose tons of time when I can't use it for one reason or another. Ditto with the PDF Import extension, and several others that I've probably forgotten were even extensions.) I would love to have them installed automatically instead of having to waste time hunting them down and manually installing them every time I do an install. Can the solution be as simple as including the ten or so most popular extensions in the package (license-permitting, of course) with an option at the installation to select the ones you want? Adobe does this (or, they used to) with Illustrator. It could be part of the "custom install" options (along the lines of choosing whether or not to install the ActiveX document reader). If selecting this option as part of the "custom install" is not the best solution, maybe a simple dialog box at the beginning: "Select which extensions to install:" with a "SELECT ALL" and "SELECT NONE" option available. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMuJ2SXUonIzCvpdMRAnanAJ0YQlxSuCtz/+cicq+SBEPZWnFSmwCfekJk K8x0lX/RifWzyPQj4qIUmzc= =o4Wy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/9/2010 5:23 PM, Scott Furry wrote: > How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated? I would expect it to be updated incrementally, like Firefox or Thunderbird. > How do you Install/Update LibreOffice? Download the entire huge file (which takes quite a while, even on a high-speed connection) and install it (which takes quite a while, even on a fast comnputer). > What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice? Not sure I understand the question. > Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an > example), if it was technically feasible, would having a separate > install program for LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you? Not if it's done the way iTunes does it, because you have to download the entire installation again and essentially reinstall. > Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package > repository site, be of value to you? Yes. - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMtJWCXUonIzCvpdMRAmdrAJ9GOMN5Wi3FCsRmacZjFxFqnRce2gCgssb4 g3rprYHhA3dPLAIGybwBGIA= =l9ek -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/6/2010 2:21 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: > Oh - and one thing that I'd really like to see is a simple 'incremental > updater' that just downloads a 'patch' file and patches itself, like > Firefox and Thunderbird and lots of other programs do now +1 - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyswC4ACgkQO+AD2HqgRoB0tgCgrLE++fnRuftt7I7UewR7xthz s4QAn26yIA9YQqqoLfyJlRUkmUSVLK03 =BaN+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/2010 10:16 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > Oh Dude - you so funny... I don't understand what that means. *ducks* - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMq4dIXUonIzCvpdMRAmoEAJ9RKcR3LiXkYzmcGPslq9sWqK1OaACfQacB 7LrmDXD53yUB2PiMuvqHhu0= =xajE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is LibreOffice a new fork of OOo, or is this essentially the same as when the Mozilla Foundation completely took over the Netscape/Firefox project? In other words, will new versions of OpenOffice.org continue to be developed and supported/made available for download at OpenOffice.org, or is OpenOffice.org (the product) now renamed LibreOffice, meaning all new development will take place under that moniker? And is LibreOffice Beta the same as OpenOffice.org 3.3 Beta 1, but rebranded? What's the relationship between the two? This has GOT to be confusing to the average user. I've been fairly involved in OOo for years, and *I'm* confused about what's happening here. Can someone clear this up a bit? (FWIW, this has historically been one of the major roadblocks to adoption of more open source software--especially linux--by "regular" consumers. The software seems to be designed by and for developers because the announcements and documentation are all aimed at the "in crowd" who understand what it means to compile, what a "distro" is, and what a "fork" is. Joe Sixpack has no way of understanding what most of the software is, let alone distinguish between versions and understand how to install and use the software. If the idea is to make open source software more prominent, there has to be a better effort on the part of the open source community--for all projects--to be less "developer" oriented and to be more "consumer" oriented in documentation and promotion.) - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyjRckACgkQO+AD2HqgRoADegCff2VPSS2NHoZDBDsZtF9y715g xCAAn1kzY9WxnEVfo/aNSOKZaB3S8Oqf =wCi0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I get what's going on here with the new foundation being created, but I think the way the announcements are done is a bit confusing to the average person who is not an "insider" on the project. Is LibreOffice a new fork of OOo, or is this essentially the same as when the Mozilla Foundation completely took over the Netscape/Firefox project? In other words, will new versions of OpenOffice.org continue to be developed and supported/made available for download at OpenOffice.org, or is OpenOffice.org (the product) now renamed LibreOffice, meaning all new development will take place under that moniker? And is LibreOffice Beta the same as OpenOffice.org 3.3 Beta 1, but rebranded? What's the relationship between the two? This has GOT to be confusing to the average user. I've been fairly involved in OOo for years, and *I'm* confused about what's happening here. Can someone clear this up a bit? (FWIW, this has historically been one of the major roadblocks to adoption of more open source software--especially linux--by "regular" consumers. The software seems to be designed by and for developers because the announcements and documentation are all aimed at the "in crowd" who understand what it means to compile, what a "distro" is, and what a "fork" is. Joe Sixpack has no way of understanding what most of the software is, let alone distinguish between versions and understand how to install and use the software. If the idea is to make open source software more prominent, there has to be a better effort on the part of the open source community--for all projects--to be less "developer" oriented and to be more "consumer" oriented in documentation and promotion.) - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyjRbcACgkQO+AD2HqgRoBwKQCgoAKrtRPTH3fQMjLUdH7ih5Ih ygIAoJTXvv5RceWNpX3+LqMmswxQ1X+P =5HD7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I get what's going on here with the new foundation being created, but I think the way the announcements are done is a bit confusing to the average person who is not an "insider" on the project. Is LibreOffice a new fork of OOo, or is this essentially the same as when the Mozilla Foundation completely took over the Netscape/Firefox project? In other words, will new versions of OpenOffice.org continue to be developed and supported/made available for download at OpenOffice.org, or is OpenOffice.org (the product) now renamed LibreOffice, meaning all new development will take place under that moniker? And is LibreOffice Beta the same as OpenOffice.org 3.3 Beta 1, but rebranded? What's the relationship between the two? This has GOT to be confusing to the average user. I've been fairly involved in OOo for years, and *I'm* confused about what's happening here. Can someone clear this up a bit? (FWIW, this has historically been one of the major roadblocks to adoption of more open source software--especially linux--by "regular" consumers. The software seems to be designed by and for developers because the announcements and documentation are all aimed at the "in crowd" who understand what it means to compile, what a "distro" is, and what a "fork" is. Joe Sixpack has no way of understanding what most of the software is, let alone distinguish between versions and understand how to install and use the software. If the idea is to make open source software more prominent, there has to be a better effort on the part of the open source community--for all projects--to be less "developer" oriented and to be more "consumer" oriented in documentation and promotion.) - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyjRbcACgkQO+AD2HqgRoBwKQCeJ/EYRJArLml9pmbJP7US/JRN ryIAnjW5AROn+Ia5YHK1E2l/lkjfByWw =wTx6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
