Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]
Hi Klaus, :-) On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 06:04, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ for the current work on the > design Ivan and I are busy finalizing the implementation of Nikash' template as a SilverStripe theme, and the progress is much more than you actually see on the sandbox - expect to see it transposed there very, very shortly (Ivan now has SSH access there, too). We will be talking on the phone later today. After that, we'll be finalizing the SilverStripe templates, and I'll be doing some more work on the libreoffice.org content before the "handover" on Jan 10. Jan 10 should be considered the day on which the libreoffice.org site will have reached a satisfactory starting point for the community's needs, and for subsequent evolution and development by the LibreOffice website and design team(s), and by the SC and LibreOffice marketing people. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]
Hi Bernhard, you forgot two things: http://www.libreoffice.org/admin for helping on the content http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ for the current work on the design Helping hands are needed by the great work, David has done (and does). -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]
Hi Bernhard, Thanks for writing and sharing this. I think what you write about the focus on what is really important right now, and the good practice not to damage that process, is very valuable! Cor Bernhard Dippold wrote (03-01-11 22:38) Hi Marc, Michael, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Disclaimer: I am on the Drupal team and think that this is the better solution for the LibreOffice CMS solution. It's your right to think what you want to - you are even allowed to post your thoughts ;-) ... as long as these postings don't cause hindrances and drawbacks to the LibreOffice community. The SC decision was clear in one point: We need to create the LibreOffice website in the shortest possible time - and therefore SilverStripe was the CMS to start with and Drupal will be an option for the future. [...] It is therefore logical to consider that [...] if a group decides to work on a Drupal solution, it is their prerogative and, that these contributing members will therefore be able to work on this solution as their time permits. If so many of these members decide to work on the Drupal solution to the detriment of the Silverstripe solution, then, again, the SC will perhaps have to reconsider its choice of CMS accordingly. You're totally right. But the reconsideration might be different than you think of... I just rephrase your last sentence according to the SC decision: If so many of the community members decide to work on a version that might become a solution in the further future instead of contributing to the urgently needed short term solution, then the SC might have to reconsider its decision in a way that leads to more contributors for the website we need *now* - not later on. Of course it it everybody's free choice to work in any area of our community. But if this work begins to hinder other *more important* and *really necessary* work, it is on the Steering Committee's agenda to find a way that leads in the right direction. I'm not a member of the SC, so it's just my personal suggestion: Please avoid *any* action that might been understood as inviting people to the Drupal team instead of the general website team. Our website needs to represent the high quality of our product and the professionalism of our community - at the latest when LibO 3.3 will be released. If you don't see this urgency - or think it has lower priority than working on the Drupal site - you might be considered as not supporting the LibreOffice community, but want to establish a Drupal branch inside LibO. If you have the skills to work on the short term goal, so please donate your time and expertise to the community. The community doesn't need any work on the Drupal site now: It lacks of website content, design improvement and active contribution on the SilverStripe site. For the last three weeks David Nelson has done a tremendous work, creating the current LibO website from scratch without any help and improving the design now (together with one or two others being able to spend a bit of their time). In the meantime you created a Drupal website, filled it with content and created your own design around it. Please consider to contribute to the *real* website from Jan 10th on, when David presents his new design. If the Drupal site seems to have outpaced that of the Silverstripe, the credit should go to the Drupal team contributors who are more adept at creating a Drupal CMS site. It would make no sense to ask a Drupal experienced contributors to slow down because the Silverstripe team is not able to keep up to their development. As you read several times in this thread and elsewhere on the mailing lists, TDF and LibO are not AGAINST anything, they are FOR! This is not only meant for marketing activities outside the community, but even more for interactions inside the LibO community! So your competitive attitude AGAINST the SilverStripe team should be reconsidered in my opinion - especially as the SilverStripe team consists of the people who want to have a high quality website at the time of the LibO release! The Drupal team is currently working hard to deliver this solution within the 6 months delay accorded by the SC. It may, in fact, be able to present to the membership a working site within an earlier time frame that was firstly accorded, thanks to the team's hard work. And then the Drupal team might see that their work can't be considered by the relevant people in the community, because they still work hard on the existing website... I could imagine that the SC postpones any activity on Drupal until the *real thing* is in a professional state... It will then be up to the membership to give constructive criticism to the newly worked Drupal site to see if this is what will work best for LibreOffice. After all, the same is happening in the documentation team with their different projects. Let's keep an open mind. I'm not involved in documentation, so I can't comment on the activities there. But I don'
Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]
Hi Bernhard, :-) +1 100% David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]
Hi Marc, Michael, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Disclaimer: I am on the Drupal team and think that this is the better solution for the LibreOffice CMS solution. It's your right to think what you want to - you are even allowed to post your thoughts ;-) ... as long as these postings don't cause hindrances and drawbacks to the LibreOffice community. The SC decision was clear in one point: We need to create the LibreOffice website in the shortest possible time - and therefore SilverStripe was the CMS to start with and Drupal will be an option for the future. [...] It is therefore logical to consider that [...] if a group decides to work on a Drupal solution, it is their prerogative and, that these contributing members will therefore be able to work on this solution as their time permits. If so many of these members decide to work on the Drupal solution to the detriment of the Silverstripe solution, then, again, the SC will perhaps have to reconsider its choice of CMS accordingly. You're totally right. But the reconsideration might be different than you think of... I just rephrase your last sentence according to the SC decision: If so many of the community members decide to work on a version that might become a solution in the further future instead of contributing to the urgently needed short term solution, then the SC might have to reconsider its decision in a way that leads to more contributors for the website we need *now* - not later on. Of course it it everybody's free choice to work in any area of our community. But if this work begins to hinder other *more important* and *really necessary* work, it is on the Steering Committee's agenda to find a way that leads in the right direction. I'm not a member of the SC, so it's just my personal suggestion: Please avoid *any* action that might been understood as inviting people to the Drupal team instead of the general website team. Our website needs to represent the high quality of our product and the professionalism of our community - at the latest when LibO 3.3 will be released. If you don't see this urgency - or think it has lower priority than working on the Drupal site - you might be considered as not supporting the LibreOffice community, but want to establish a Drupal branch inside LibO. If you have the skills to work on the short term goal, so please donate your time and expertise to the community. The community doesn't need any work on the Drupal site now: It lacks of website content, design improvement and active contribution on the SilverStripe site. For the last three weeks David Nelson has done a tremendous work, creating the current LibO website from scratch without any help and improving the design now (together with one or two others being able to spend a bit of their time). In the meantime you created a Drupal website, filled it with content and created your own design around it. Please consider to contribute to the *real* website from Jan 10th on, when David presents his new design. If the Drupal site seems to have outpaced that of the Silverstripe, the credit should go to the Drupal team contributors who are more adept at creating a Drupal CMS site. It would make no sense to ask a Drupal experienced contributors to slow down because the Silverstripe team is not able to keep up to their development. As you read several times in this thread and elsewhere on the mailing lists, TDF and LibO are not AGAINST anything, they are FOR! This is not only meant for marketing activities outside the community, but even more for interactions inside the LibO community! So your competitive attitude AGAINST the SilverStripe team should be reconsidered in my opinion - especially as the SilverStripe team consists of the people who want to have a high quality website at the time of the LibO release! The Drupal team is currently working hard to deliver this solution within the 6 months delay accorded by the SC. It may, in fact, be able to present to the membership a working site within an earlier time frame that was firstly accorded, thanks to the team's hard work. And then the Drupal team might see that their work can't be considered by the relevant people in the community, because they still work hard on the existing website... I could imagine that the SC postpones any activity on Drupal until the *real thing* is in a professional state... It will then be up to the membership to give constructive criticism to the newly worked Drupal site to see if this is what will work best for LibreOffice. After all, the same is happening in the documentation team with their different projects. Let's keep an open mind. I'm not involved in documentation, so I can't comment on the activities there. But I don't know about a SC decision for one solution now and considering another solution later on. Here *is* a clear decision by the highest board in LibreOffice: We need the SilverStripe site *first* and will consider Drupal *later*. Open mind doesn't
