Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
Florian, there's an issue in this thread under discuss which you and the rest of the SC might like to discuss. //James On Apr 22, 2011, at 00:11 , James Wilde wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2011, at 23:09 , drew wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: >>> 2011/4/21 drew >>> On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > >> Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about >> LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the >> bottom. >> >> //James >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: SAEED AHMED >>> Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 >>> To: "us...@openoffice.org" >>> Subject: [users] Licensing Details >>> Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org >>> >>> Hi, >>> receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen >>> >>> «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of >>> opinion* that *makes horse races*.» >>> >> Hi Henri >> >> Sorry, I have to disagree. >> >> If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this >> nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation >> to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so >> in the open, on that mailing list. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Drew Jensen > > Well, I did have my thoughts on this, which was why I asked. However, the > responses have made me think hard about this. > > Recently there was some discussion about the decision of the European Union > to renegotiate with Microsoft about new licenses for Office, without putting > the matter out to tender, and I think I can say that a large number of voices > thought that TDF should take action, at least making noise about the EU not > following its own policy on tendering. I don't remember how the news got > out, but it was made public, and someone in here latched on to it. I don't > know whether TDF actually did anything about it, but there was a lot of > agreement that they should do. > > Now someone has made information available on a public list which could be > beneficial to TDF in a similar though smaller way, and I have decided that I > see no problem with making use of that public information. I will wait > (nearly) 24 hours for someone from the top of TDF to tell me no, and if that > doesn't come, I will contact the poster offline. The time now is 00:09, so > TDF has until midnight today. > > //James >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Apr 21, 2011, at 23:09 , drew wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: >> 2011/4/21 drew >> >>> On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 James Wilde > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note >>> about > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning >>> at the > bottom. > > //James > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: SAEED AHMED >> Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 >> To: "us...@openoffice.org" >> Subject: [users] Licensing Details >> Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org >> >> Hi, >> >>> receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of >>> course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri >>> >>> >>> That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. >>> >>> He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. >>> >>> To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be >>> tolerated. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Drew Jensen >>> >> >> «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of >> opinion* that *makes horse races*.» >> > Hi Henri > > Sorry, I have to disagree. > > If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this > nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation > to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so > in the open, on that mailing list. > > Sincerely, > > Drew Jensen Well, I did have my thoughts on this, which was why I asked. However, the responses have made me think hard about this. Recently there was some discussion about the decision of the European Union to renegotiate with Microsoft about new licenses for Office, without putting the matter out to tender, and I think I can say that a large number of voices thought that TDF should take action, at least making noise about the EU not following its own policy on tendering. I don't remember how the news got out, but it was made public, and someone in here latched on to it. I don't know whether TDF actually did anything about it, but there was a lot of agreement that they should do. Now someone has made information available on a public list which could be beneficial to TDF in a similar though smaller way, and I have decided that I see no problem with making use of that public information. I will wait (nearly) 24 hours for someone from the top of TDF to tell me no, and if that doesn't come, I will contact the poster offline. The time now is 00:09, so TDF has until midnight today. //James > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/4/21 drew > > > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > > > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > > > > > > > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note > > about > > > > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning > > at the > > > > bottom. > > > > > > > > //James > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > > > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > > > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > > > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > > > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > > > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > > > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of > > course, > > > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > > > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > > > > > Henri > > > > > > That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. > > > > He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. > > > > To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be > > tolerated. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Drew Jensen > > > > «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of > opinion* that *makes horse races*.» > Hi Henri Sorry, I have to disagree. If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 drew That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of opinion* that *makes horse races*.» Henri I have to agree with Drew on this. The message was addressed to a mailing list unrelated to LibreOffice or The Document Foundation and should have remained there. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
2011/4/21 drew > On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > > > > > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note > about > > > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning > at the > > > bottom. > > > > > > //James > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, > > > which intent to supply around 500 desktops. > > > > > > > > The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like > to > > > propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. > > > > > > > > Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. > > > > > > > > The Following components need to imply. > > > > > > > > 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client > > > > 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by > > > Openoffice.Org > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i > > > Infotech Ltd. > > > > Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: > > > saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 3i Infotech wins the "WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces > 2010" > > > Award > > > > > > > > * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you > > > >Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. > > > > > > > > This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally > > > privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the > > > original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this > message, > > > please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient > > > acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated > > > companies,(collectively "3i Infotech"), are unable to exercise control > or > > > ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the > information > > > contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any > views > > > expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no > binding > > > nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender > does so > > > expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any > attachments > > > please check them for viruses and defects. > > > > > > > Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those > > who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event. > > Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no > your > > receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of > course, > > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > > > Henri > > > That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. > > He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. > > To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be > tolerated. > > Sincerely, > > Drew Jensen > «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of opinion* that *makes horse races*.» Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: > 2011/4/21 James Wilde > > > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about > > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the > > bottom. > > > > //James > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, > > which intent to supply around 500 desktops. > > > > > > The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to > > propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. > > > > > > Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. > > > > > > The Following components need to imply. > > > > > > 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client > > > 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by > > Openoffice.Org > > > > > > Looking forward to hear from you. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i > > Infotech Ltd. > > > Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: > > saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > * 3i Infotech wins the "WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010" > > Award > > > > > > * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you > > >Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. > > > > > > This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally > > privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the > > original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, > > please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient > > acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated > > companies,(collectively "3i Infotech"), are unable to exercise control or > > ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information > > contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views > > expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding > > nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so > > expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments > > please check them for viruses and defects. > > > > Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those > who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event. > Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no your > receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does > not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also > presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, > with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, > Malaysian, or UK legal practices > > Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
2011/4/21 James Wilde > Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about > LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the > bottom. > > //James > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: SAEED AHMED > > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > > > Hi, > > > > We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, > which intent to supply around 500 desktops. > > > > The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to > propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. > > > > Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. > > > > The Following components need to imply. > > > > 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client > > 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by > Openoffice.Org > > > > Looking forward to hear from you. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i > Infotech Ltd. > > Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: > saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com > > > > > > > > * 3i Infotech wins the "WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010" > Award > > > > * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you > >Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. > > > > This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally > privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the > original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, > please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient > acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated > companies,(collectively "3i Infotech"), are unable to exercise control or > ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information > contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views > expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding > nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so > expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments > please check them for viruses and defects. > Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event. Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no your receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: > From: SAEED AHMED > Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 > To: "us...@openoffice.org" > Subject: [users] Licensing Details > Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org > > Hi, > > We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, which > intent to supply around 500 desktops. > > The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to > propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. > > Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. > > The Following components need to imply. > > 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client > 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by Openoffice.Org > > Looking forward to hear from you. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i Infotech > Ltd. > Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: > saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com > > > > * 3i Infotech wins the "WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010" > Award > > * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you >Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. > > This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally > privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the > original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, > please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient > acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated > companies,(collectively "3i Infotech"), are unable to exercise control or > ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information > contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views > expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding > nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so > expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments > please check them for viruses and defects. > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
