Re: [tdf-discuss] Help please with LibreOffice
On 04/09/2014 04:41 PM, Mike Brookes wrote: Hi I've used LibreOffice for a number of years trouble-free. I have a laptop and use windows, not Mac. Last weekend I downloaded to my laptop a new application for downloading music from YouTube; it didn't work and I proceeded to uninstall it through start/control panel/uninstall. This seemed to work as the thing disappeared from the list and the desktop ikon removed itself. However, a couple of days later I used LibreOffice, went into my documents list and noticed there was a file with the name of the application I had uninstalled. I thought that shouldn't be there and I don't want it so I highlighted it and hit delete. That immediately changed my full list of files and documents into gobbledygook made up of caps and numbers so I can't identify files or docs when I want them. I can't see a way to reverse this. I can still access my proper documents list through Start and Documents where it still comes up as it should. But opening LibreOffice and then Documents I just get the gobbledygook. Can you please help? I'd be very grateful (I'm still on LibreOffice 3.6 and don't want to move to the new 4. until I've sussed this problem) Many thanks Mike Brookes Most of the user help for LibreOffice is on the User list, not discuss list. What we need to know is a few things, like what version of Windows you use - XP, Vista, Win7, 8.x? Which version of LibreOffice are you using - 3.6.4, 3.6.5, etc.? Which application did you download? Where did you get it from? Have you run any anti-virus and anti-malware packages since installing the package, and if so what packages? To me, it sounds like you might have gotten a gremlin caused by some type of virus or malware. But I could be wrong. Also, are you opening Documents withing LibreOffice's open a document procedure, or are you opening LibreOffice and then using the file manager to view your documents to see which one you want to open? It is a little unclear to me. IT could be that something got messed up with some part of LO, if its open a document procedure shows weird and gobbledygook file names. There were some security issues that were in the 3.6 line that were fixed in the 4.0 and 4.1 [and 4.2] lines. You could always recreate your user profile by renaming LO's config folder and then LO will recreated fresh [like a new install] so any corrupt files in the config/profile folder would be replaced with clean ones. The folder is placed in different locations, depending on which version of Windows you have and was changed with the 4.0.x line as well. Since I do not run Windows [Win7] hardly at all now, I do not know where its location is from memory. I tend to stick with Linux and have a laptop with Win7 on it if I actually require Windows for something. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help please with LibreOffice
On 2014-04-10 08:41, Mike Brookes wrote: Hi I've used LibreOffice for a number of years trouble-free. I have a laptop and use windows, not Mac. Last weekend I downloaded to my laptop a new application for downloading music from YouTube; it didn't work and I proceeded to uninstall it through start/control panel/uninstall. This seemed to work as the thing disappeared from the list and the desktop ikon removed itself. However, a couple of days later I used LibreOffice, went into my documents list and noticed there was a file with the name of the application I had uninstalled. I thought that shouldn't be there and I don't want it so I highlighted it and hit delete. That immediately changed my full list of files and documents into gobbledygook made up of caps and numbers so I can't identify files or docs when I want them. I can't see a way to reverse this. I can still access my proper documents list through Start and Documents where it still comes up as it should. But opening LibreOffice and then Documents I just get the gobbledygook. Can you please help? I'd be very grateful (I'm still on LibreOffice 3.6 and don't want to move to the new 4. until I've sussed this problem) Many thanks Mike Brookes Hi. Do you have a restore point you can go back to, prior to the software you installed. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Help please with LibreOffice
Hi I've used LibreOffice for a number of years trouble-free. I have a laptop and use windows, not Mac. Last weekend I downloaded to my laptop a new application for downloading music from YouTube; it didn't work and I proceeded to uninstall it through start/control panel/uninstall. This seemed to work as the thing disappeared from the list and the desktop ikon removed itself. However, a couple of days later I used LibreOffice, went into my documents list and noticed there was a file with the name of the application I had uninstalled. I thought that shouldn't be there and I don't want it so I highlighted it and hit delete. That immediately changed my full list of files and documents into gobbledygook made up of caps and numbers so I can't identify files or docs when I want them. I can't see a way to reverse this. I can still access my proper documents list through Start and Documents where it still comes up as it should. But opening LibreOffice and then Documents I just get the gobbledygook. Can you please help? I'd be very grateful (I'm still on LibreOffice 3.6 and don't want to move to the new 4. until I've sussed this problem) Many thanks Mike Brookes -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Dennis, Not wanting to feed a big fat troll(the OOXML topic) I srill would like to point out that un terms of IPR ODF has a very clean and simple RF basis (royalty free) while OOXML is much more unclear on that point although it appeaes you don't have to pay fees for implementing what's covered in the ISO standard. Best, Charles (who's a former director of the OASIS consortium) Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org a écrit : To be clear, the OOXML File Format is the subject of an International Standard, the same way that ODF is an International Standard. (OOXML started off in ECMA, ODF started off in OASIS. Both are ISO Standards.) So the specifications are open and freely available. You can download them for free. In addition, Microsoft has provided its Open Specification Promise and other declarations so that implementations of consumers and producers of the format are not subject to any patent claims from Microsoft and it is not necessary to obtain a license. Sun did something similar for ODF. The Microsoft Office *implementation* is not open source. Likewise, the built-in support of ODF in Microsoft Office is not open source. The standards for the formats are open. Open-source implementations are not required. Support for OOXML in products like LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice, and in the Apache POI Project, to name three, is open source -- they are open source projects and the source code is available under open source licenses. Just as support for ODF in LibO, AOO, and the ODF Toolkit is with open-source code. -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 00:08 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness -- Forwarded message -- From: lj ljelou...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org Thank you for the explanation of OOXML. But I am still confused. To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open sourced... or proprietary? (This was probably mentioned before...) Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. Thanks, LJ On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question. There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office also takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML. The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been significant maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The current edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. There is also an in-process amendment. - Dennis -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 To: Simon Phipps Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents
Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
-- Forwarded message -- From: lj ljelou...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org Thank you for the explanation of OOXML. But I am still confused. To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open sourced... or proprietary? (This was probably mentioned before...) Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. Thanks, LJ On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question. There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office also takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML. The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been significant maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The current edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. There is also an in-process amendment. - Dennis -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 To: Simon Phipps Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
To be clear, the OOXML File Format is the subject of an International Standard, the same way that ODF is an International Standard. (OOXML started off in ECMA, ODF started off in OASIS. Both are ISO Standards.) So the specifications are open and freely available. You can download them for free. In addition, Microsoft has provided its Open Specification Promise and other declarations so that implementations of consumers and producers of the format are not subject to any patent claims from Microsoft and it is not necessary to obtain a license. Sun did something similar for ODF. The Microsoft Office *implementation* is not open source. Likewise, the built-in support of ODF in Microsoft Office is not open source. The standards for the formats are open. Open-source implementations are not required. Support for OOXML in products like LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice, and in the Apache POI Project, to name three, is open source -- they are open source projects and the source code is available under open source licenses. Just as support for ODF in LibO, AOO, and the ODF Toolkit is with open-source code. -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 00:08 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness -- Forwarded message -- From: lj ljelou...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org Thank you for the explanation of OOXML. But I am still confused. To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open sourced... or proprietary? (This was probably mentioned before...) Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. Thanks, LJ On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question. There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office also takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML. The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been significant maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The current edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. There is also an in-process amendment. - Dennis -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 To: Simon Phipps Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Dennis any chance to add your hybrid pdf tutorial to the wiki somewhere? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:32 PM To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness +1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
It's Simon's tutorial, and this wiki page links to his YouTube video (scroll down a bit to find it): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Video_Tutorials --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Dennis any chance to add your hybrid pdf tutorial to the wiki somewhere? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:32 PM To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness +1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Great work Jean :) looks great hope a lot of other users will find this page as it's a great feature :) -Original Message- From: Jean Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:16 PM To: Jonathan Aquilina Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; Simon Phipps; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness It's Simon's tutorial, and this wiki page links to his YouTube video (scroll down a bit to find it): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Re sources#Video_Tutorials --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Dennis any chance to add your hybrid pdf tutorial to the wiki somewhere? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:32 PM To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness +1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I have now added an explicit link from the entry Docs wiki page to the video tutorials section on the 3rd-party page. Now that we are putting a longer list of video tutorials on that page, we may need to split them off onto a separate page. If we do, we'll leave a link on the 3rd-party page to the new location. The list of videos will need to be organised into logical, labelled categories at some point, too. --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Great work Jean :) looks great hope a lot of other users will find this page as it's a great feature :) -Original Message- From: Jean Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:16 PM To: Jonathan Aquilina Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; Simon Phipps; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness It's Simon's tutorial, and this wiki page links to his YouTube video (scroll down a bit to find it): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Re sources#Video_Tutorials --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Dennis any chance to add your hybrid pdf tutorial to the wiki somewhere? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:32 PM To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness +1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
:) hopefully come summer I can contribute more then I am both as part of the infra team and as an LO hacker -Original Message- From: Jean Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:40 PM To: Jonathan Aquilina Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I have now added an explicit link from the entry Docs wiki page to the video tutorials section on the 3rd-party page. Now that we are putting a longer list of video tutorials on that page, we may need to split them off onto a separate page. If we do, we'll leave a link on the 3rd-party page to the new location. The list of videos will need to be organised into logical, labelled categories at some point, too. --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Great work Jean :) looks great hope a lot of other users will find this page as it's a great feature :) -Original Message- From: Jean Weber [mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:16 PM To: Jonathan Aquilina Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; Simon Phipps; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness It's Simon's tutorial, and this wiki page links to his YouTube video (scroll down a bit to find it): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_ and_Re sources#Video_Tutorials --Jean On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Dennis any chance to add your hybrid pdf tutorial to the wiki somewhere? -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:32 PM To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness +1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
On 07/02/2013, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ No such import filters by default in LO35413. To promote proliferation of odf documents, should distribute in these formats. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 18:02:43 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can forget about what software they are using. and this is exactly what the signature of the OP, as well as the actual, original topic of this thread, is about: making certain classes of users **aware** that, if they cannot read certain formats on their computing systems, is because THOSE systems are screwed in a serious way that may eventually hurt them (the users). The point was raising awareness, which of course doesn't exclude accepting pratical compromises. But that is another issue. Marco http://mfioretti.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac platform. Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are. Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative software. That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not aware of that does do it. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Not on the mac platform. Sent from my iPad On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Personally I could be mistaken, But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all, because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X. There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows platform and convert the document and not install a new open source office suite that can open the file. Thus I believe the problem then stems even further. There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened using another program on the same apple platform. Wether it be LO or not. I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user. LJ. On 07/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below. What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03 To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that can only open odt documents is text editor. There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on the mac. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe / Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Apple has nothing to do with it unless you are talking about releasing to ios then that is a whole other can of worms or even to the mac app store. It has something to do with the way mac has things setup which is in a way anti open source. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:34 To: Jonathan Aquilina; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac platform. Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are. Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative software. That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not aware of that does do it. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Not on the mac platform. Sent from my iPad On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Personally I could be mistaken, But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all, because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X. There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows platform and convert the document and not install a new open source office suite that can open the file. Thus I believe the problem then stems even further. There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened using another program on the same apple platform. Wether it be LO or not. I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user. LJ. On 07/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below. What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03 To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that can only open odt documents is text editor. There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on the mac. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscrib e / Posting guidelines + more
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I agree. It might even be quicker to download from a website. Users wouldn't first of all have to have an account to download the software. And once it's installed it's ready to go to open most file formats including the best maintained ODF support from LO. One of the solutions, is by spreading the word to users from other users. If a company cannot provide open source standards than users can. If there are more open source users there would be less users using non open source software. It is open to the user to actually use the software for there own needs and requirements. Note: this will also be forwarded back to the discussion list. LJ. On 07/02/2013, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: If people can still download from a website then the app stores shouldn’t be a problem at this stage. From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 10:55 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness As a suggestion it might be that apple can not directly control open source software. How is it not open source? http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Have ODF file types skipped apples open source protocols for Mac OS X? And again it's that users have no knowledge of open alternatives and Microsoft and apple both know this for the mac platform. On 07/02/2013, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Apple has nothing to do with it unless you are talking about releasing to ios then that is a whole other can of worms or even to the mac app store. It has something to do with the way mac has things setup which is in a way anti open source. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:34 To: Jonathan Aquilina; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac platform. Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are. Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative software. That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not aware of that does do it. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Not on the mac platform. Sent from my iPad On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Personally I could be mistaken, But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all, because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X. There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows platform and convert the document and not install a new open source office suite that can open the file. Thus I believe the problem then stems even further. There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened using another program on the same apple platform. Wether it be LO or not. I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user. LJ. On 07/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below. What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03 To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness ODF formats are still
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
No problem at all, the problem arises as LO is planning on targeting iOS. What I really want to know is how LO is overcoming the licensing issue that they are presented with in regards to iOS and if so decided to as well include the mac app store in conjunction with the website. From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 11:10 To: Jonathan Aquilina Cc: Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I agree. It might even be quicker to download from a website. Users wouldn't first of all have to have an account to download the software. And once it's installed it's ready to go to open most file formats including the best maintained ODF support from LO. One of the solutions, is by spreading the word to users from other users. If a company cannot provide open source standards than users can. If there are more open source users there would be less users using non open source software. It is open to the user to actually use the software for there own needs and requirements. Note: this will also be forwarded back to the discussion list. LJ. On 07/02/2013, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: If people can still download from a website then the app stores shouldn’t be a problem at this stage. From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 10:55 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness As a suggestion it might be that apple can not directly control open source software. How is it not open source? http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Have ODF file types skipped apples open source protocols for Mac OS X? And again it's that users have no knowledge of open alternatives and Microsoft and apple both know this for the mac platform. On 07/02/2013, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Apple has nothing to do with it unless you are talking about releasing to ios then that is a whole other can of worms or even to the mac app store. It has something to do with the way mac has things setup which is in a way anti open source. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:34 To: Jonathan Aquilina; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I think the only way vendor lock in awareness can be achieved on the mac platform. Would be for apple to acknowledge in there license agreement of document software that they do not support ODF formats. And a support documentation that lists a reason why and a discussion link as to what ODF formats are. Such as a the ODF foundation site. Where there could be a list of alternatives for ODF format software for mac users. Or a similar solution to having a description similar to the exe file on the mac that states that it is a windows binary file with a link that is documentation that is then supported with a step process of alternative software. That way users would be aware first of all. Decline apple and its vendor lock in process in the agreement and use an open alternative. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a newer version of office for mac as I am on 2011 and I admit that doesn't do it? Maybe if they have a newer version that I am not aware of that does do it. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:21 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Not on the mac platform. Sent from my iPad On 07/02/2013, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that office 2010 and above supports odf formats and you have the choice to choose between Microsoft's proprietary formats or odf. When you run word for example for the first time it would ask you if you want to use xml formats or odf formats. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 09:14 To: Jonathan Aquilina Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Personally I could be mistaken, But many mac users that I know of do not use ODF formats at all, because it is not included in proprietary software that is for Mac OS X. There first instinct I believe is to go straight to the windows platform and convert the document and not install a new open source office suite that can open the file. Thus I believe the problem then stems even further. There is no real practical prompt suggestion, awareness marketing advertisement from apple or Microsoft that this file can be opened using another program on the same apple platform. Wether it be LO or not. I believe ODF formats for some mac users can be like opening an exe file on a mac platform. It is completely foreign to the user. LJ
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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+1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Based on limited anecdotal evidence (my own), Office 2010 support for ODF formats seems to be about the same as in Office 2007. For Office 2013, I am always startled by how well Excel 2013 (Preview) works with .ods files now that OpenFormula is supported. On the other hand, in my few trials with .odt files I personally experienced some unexpected defects when opening them in Word 2013 (Preview). This is not a systematic analysis and I don't know where one will find one. The Word cases were unexpected and I wonder if there are some sort of difference in the interpretation of the ODF 1.2 specification that needs to be hammered out. But that's shear speculation on my part. It is unfortunate that venues such as the ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC and the Plugfests held within the EU are not exploited more to identify and eliminate some of these problems. (Unless I've missed something, only Microsoft has made available a large collection of test/sample documents, presumably ones that Office does well. Apache OpenOffice is discussing ways to provide a contributed compilation from other sources that can be used openly but I don't know if any action is pending.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Jonathan Aquilina [mailto:eagles051...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 09:57 To: 'Simon Phipps'; 'Boudi van Vlijmen' Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- *Simon Phipps* http://webmink.com *Meshed Insights Knowledge * *Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027 *Mobile*: +44 774 776 2816* * -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- *Simon Phipps* http://webmink.com *Meshed Insights Knowledge * *Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027 *Mobile*: +44 774 776 2816* * -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
On first run though they give you the option to choose the XML or ODF format on 2010 and upwards From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 February 2013 00:38 To: Simon Phipps Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org mailto:discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 -- *Simon Phipps* http://webmink.com *Meshed Insights Knowledge * *Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 tel:%2B1%20%28415%29%20683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027 tel:%2B44%20%28238%29%20098%207027 *Mobile*: +44 774 776 2816 tel:%2B44%20774%20776%202816 * * -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org mailto:discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question. There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office also takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML. The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been significant maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The current edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. There is also an in-process amendment. - Dennis -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 To: Simon Phipps Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have found useful is what open xml is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are PDFs with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ S. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: 02/07/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. What would be the easiest solution for them? On 06/02/2013, at 7:15 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nl wrote: Friends, Every email I send has the footer as in this one. The purpose is to achieve; 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. The message is: ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level ODF concept! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Werk documenten* ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX *Distributie en Archivering* PDF/A http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 1] *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw onafhankelijkheid! * http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties Vendor-lock safe formats http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument ** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
On 02/06/2013 08:21 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco I do my best to get them to stop sending out the XML formats like DOCX or XLSX. I tell them the truth about the incompatibility between different versions of MSO and not just I am using LO. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that can only open odt documents is text editor. There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on the mac. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
What would be interesting to see with the comment about mac below. What are the current statistics of LO downloads for mac. -Original Message- From: Laurence Jeloudev [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2013 08:03 To: M. Fioretti; Libreoffice Discussion List Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness ODF formats are still not implemented to a point where consumers can forget about what software they are using. And this is a concern for mac users, as there software is usually proprietary software and not software with ODF formats in it. The only program on the mac that can only open odt documents is text editor. There is no default requirement for a user to explore an ODF formats program on the mac. They usually are swamped with proprietary software as being the only solution, and forget that ODF formats exist. As the odt format can be mistaken as a basic text document format and not a fully fledged document suite file type format on the mac. LJ On 07/02/2013, at 12:21 AM, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 20:17:49 PM +1100, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: The concept is a great idea. But what if you encounter a person with a mac computer. that's the whole point. Both of ODF in general, and, I assume, of Boudi. His signature is only about formats, it never mentions specific software programs. THE reason for formats like ODF is to arrive as soon as possible to a point where you can ignore what software the others are using. More on this topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_format_history Marco -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Help corrections
Hi. Noticed a small error in the Help. Is a bug filed for this or just a discussion. If you search for dock and click on Navigator you get Navigator help. It states To undock the Navigator, double-click in a free area of the Navigator. You need to CTL double click as shown below in another area of help. To dock or undock the Navigator or the Styles and Formatting window, hold down the Ctrl key and double-click on a grey area in the window. Alternatively, press Ctrl+Shift+F10. steve -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Help Pack
Medellin, marzo 5/2011 Hi, friends Somebody know exactly what is Help Pack, a 10mb down-loadable pack included in Libre Office 3.3.1 ? Best regards, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *11 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto * http://facebook.com/ Facebook http://facebook.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Help Pack
Medellin, marzo 5/2011 Hi, friends Somebody know exactly what is Help Pack, a 10mb down-loadable pack included in Libre Office 3.3.1 ? Best regards, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *11 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto * http://facebook.com/ Facebook http://facebook.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help Pack
Hola, Luis The help pack contains all the help files you get when going to Help - LibreOffice Help (or just F1). On OOo those files came with the language packs, but on LibO they are a separated download, nothing more, nothing less. Saludos ;) Ricardo 2011/3/5 Luis E Vásquez r starsuite...@gmail.com: Medellin, marzo 5/2011 Hi, friends Somebody know exactly what is Help Pack, a 10mb down-loadable pack included in Libre Office 3.3.1 ? Best regards, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *11 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto * http://facebook.com/ Facebook http://facebook.com/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help Pack
Am 05.03.2011 21:02, schrieb Luis E Vásquez r: Medellin, marzo 5/2011 Hi, friends Somebody know exactly what is Help Pack, a 10mb down-loadable pack included in Libre Office 3.3.1 ? Best regards, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *11 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto * http://facebook.com/ Facebook http://facebook.com/ There are help packs per language. They contain the help so it can be used locally. If no pack is installed the online help should open if you press F1. However if you did install a package that will open. Regards, bastik 05 Mar 2011, 21:21 (+0100) (unsigned) -- Impurities make things work and sometimes unique. Go Libre! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Nicola Di Deo nic...@mailopen.net wrote: On 27/01/2011 20:25, alan c wrote: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia 1) extract all files 2) open terminal 3) cd /home/yourhome/wheredownloadedfiles/LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS 4) sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.* 5) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb 6) cd ./desktop-integration 7) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb Do the same for the other package Done Does running the executable file ./update work as an install also? This is a file that comes packaged with the download. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
On Thu Jan 27 2011 11:25:43 GMT-0800 (PST) alan c wrote: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia Open a terminal session. In the terminal cd into the first of the install DEBS folder. Enter sudo dpkg -i *.deb on the command line. Cd to the dekstop-integration folder and reenter the sudo command above. Cd to the language pack DEBS folder and reenter the sudo command above. Close the terminal window. Look under Applications- Office and you should see the LibO office programs. HTH Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
Hi, Am 27.01.2011 20:25, schrieb alan c: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? Yes: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] help - can not understand how to install LO3.3
On 27/01/2011 20:25, alan c wrote: It is not clear to me how I should install LO 3.3. I have torrented down LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz and also LibO_3.3.0_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB.tar.gz I have then extracted and obtained LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_langpack-deb_en-GB I am totally confused at the extracted packages: for example, one folder contains a bout 50 deb files! I am using ubuntu 10.04.1. Is there a help page somewhere for guidance? tia 1) extract all files 2) open terminal 3) cd /home/yourhome/wheredownloadedfiles/LibO_3.3.0rc4_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS 4) sudo apt-get remove libreoffice*.* 5) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb 6) cd ./desktop-integration 7) sudo dpkg -i ./*.deb Do the same for the other package Done -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help , if it is or not
You did it very much. The libre office 3.3 beta 3 is so good. :d Lali -- mail: lali.belt...@gmail.com msn: lali.belt...@gmail.com aim: lali.belt...@gmail.com google talk:: lali.belt...@gmail.com yahoo: lali.belt...@yahoo.com skype: lali.belteki1 paltalk: laller86 icq: 583849718 --- avast! Antivirus: Ausgehende Nachricht sauber. Virus-Datenbank (VPS): 110116-0, 2011.01.16 Getestet um: 2011.01.16. 20:59:44 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2011 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Help , if it is or not
Do we or don't we? This project DOES NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform. This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption. Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number ECCN 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) 15 C.F.R. Parts 730-772. Thanks for your help! Florian Reisinger -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Help , if it is or not
Hi Florian, Given the ability to save documents with password protection, I'd say yes. Best regards Simon Brouwer Florian Reisinger schreef: Do we or don't we? This project DOES NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform. This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption. Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number ECCN 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) 15 C.F.R. Parts 730-772. Thanks for your help! Florian Reisinger -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer -*- nl.openoffice.org -*- http://www.opentaal.org -*- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
