Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 00:33 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? it's not my goal - or at least it is not the goal - I would prefer to work on delivering a very good tool to the user base. I would like to expand the idea of openness and I am most certainly hoping to act in some small way as a counter balance to the big-corporate culture. Eating away at MSO market share is a side-effect really. I would like to embrace MSO, to welcome there still feeble steps into the open source model and to most certainly hold their feet to the fire when it comes to using recognized standards. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
Jaime I believe on previous posts on this thread or another one that TDF is working on getting Google to support the ODF format. why create something that has already been done by Google? On 1/3/11 12:54 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
Hello Jonathan, Google only converts to ODF, they use their own proprietary file format natively, they don't use ODF natively and they don't have as much functionality as LO. You can use Google Docs with a Google account as you can use MS Docs with a Facebook account. Problems: - None of them use ODF natively, they just export to ODF. - None of them you can install locally. - None of them are Open Source. It's like if we asked: Why do we make Libre Office if MS is already giving MS Office for free? Think about is, it would be much simple to develop a HTML5 Libre Office, because it is by nature platform independent and you can install it locally. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 01:03, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Jaime I believe on previous posts on this thread or another one that TDF is working on getting Google to support the ODF format. why create something that has already been done by Google? On 1/3/11 12:54 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
Are you talking about in addition to having an installable version of LO? On 1/3/11 1:26 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hello Jonathan, Google only converts to ODF, they use their own proprietary file format natively, they don't use ODF natively and they don't have as much functionality as LO. You can use Google Docs with a Google account as you can use MS Docs with a Facebook account. Problems: - None of them use ODF natively, they just export to ODF. - None of them you can install locally. - None of them are Open Source. It's like if we asked: Why do we make Libre Office if MS is already giving MS Office for free? Think about is, it would be much simple to develop a HTML5 Libre Office, because it is by nature platform independent and you can install it locally. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 01:03, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Jaime I believe on previous posts on this thread or another one that TDF is working on getting Google to support the ODF format. why create something that has already been done by Google? On 1/3/11 12:54 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop latelyit seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibOZimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
