Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote: In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can it be dual licensed to go on the app store? I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL). In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get an OK from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case. There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that does not give away their software for free. Larry Hi Larry, DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control mechanisms implemented: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-r eleased-pirated-re-sold.ars http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the software itself is not considering the only goods you would be monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? Should it be possible to have a light Libò version for BlackBerry? This kind of mobile phone is used by the majority of businessmen, I suppose it should be useful to have it inside the phone. What do you think? The biggest problem with getting on mobile devices, is that they use java. from my impressions on the project as a whole and following the dev list is that they are trying to remove java all together. It would be interesting to get some developer feedback on this. Maybe I don't understand this, but it seems to me that mobile devices are so different from regular PCs that any version of LO for mobile devices might just as well be written from scratch for that purpose borrowing little or no code from from the regular LO for PCs. That being the case, one might use Java, and the other not. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote: In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can it be dual licensed to go on the app store? I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL). In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get an OK from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case. There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that does not give away their software for free. Larry Hi Larry, DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control mechanisms implemented: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-r eleased-pirated-re-sold.ars http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the software itself is not considering the only goods you would be monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? Should it be possible to have a light Libò version for BlackBerry? This kind of mobile phone is used by the majority of businessmen, I suppose it should be useful to have it inside the phone. What do you think? The biggest problem with getting on mobile devices, is that they use java. from my impressions on the project as a whole and following the dev list is that they are trying to remove java all together. It would be interesting to get some developer feedback on this. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: > On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: > >> 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina > >> > >>> > Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow > >>> > >>> us to put > >>> > >>> > it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the > >>> > >>> GPL or can > >>> > >>> > it be dual licensed to go on the app store? > >> > >> I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the > >> LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL). > >> In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get > >> an OK > >> from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to > >> happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case. > > > > There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the > > Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections > > are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App > > Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that > > does not give away their software for free. > > > > Larry > > Hi Larry, > > DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has > been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control > mechanisms implemented: > http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 > > A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-r > eleased-pirated-re-sold.ars > http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html > > "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. > It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting > to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the > software itself is not considering the only goods you would be > monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html > > Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how > you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). > Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? > Should it be possible to have a light Libò version for BlackBerry? This kind of mobile phone is used by the majority of businessmen, I suppose it should be useful to have it inside the phone. What do you think? -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Alex. I hope nothing too bad happened to you... Take care Charles. Le 17 janv. 2011, 7:21 PM, "sophie" a écrit : On 17/01/2011 21:14, Alexander Thurgood wrote: [...] > > This lawyer is busy trying to find time to get its head round the draft > TM usage policy/guide... Oups, I hope you're safe, please take care of you Alex! Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgArchive: http://lista... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
On 17/01/2011 21:14, Alexander Thurgood wrote: [...] This lawyer is busy trying to find time to get its head round the draft TM usage policy/guidelines...and its a very sore head at the moment thanks to an unfortunate accident at the weekend :-/ Oups, I hope you're safe, please take care of you Alex! Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Le 17/01/11 17:32, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hi Charles, > > You should also ask all the other devs now :-) > What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... > > Best, This lawyer is busy trying to find time to get its head round the draft TM usage policy/guidelines...and its a very sore head at the moment thanks to an unfortunate accident at the weekend :-/ Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Just signed up for the SC mailing list ill try join the next meeting if thats possible. On 01/17/2011 06:00 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Many of them are not here (too much traffic). Let's see if I can raise this at one of our next SC calls. We're really busy with other stuff, but... best, Charles. Le Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:39:13 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : The devs are more than welcome to comment What do some of the big boys think? On 01/17/2011 05:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Jonathan, You should also ask all the other devs now :-) What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... Best, Charles. Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:27:17 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does take time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good as the app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to head up a team to get this ball moving in regards to getting permission from oracle to relicense their code as well as getting it into the app store itself. i think though for that someone will need a developers license, which i am more then willing to get. On 01/14/2011 08:34 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : Hi Larry, Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service has now been replaced by the App Store. I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was rather disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually available. I had rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar array of content to that which used to be (still is ?) available under the Freeware / Open Source filter of the Apple Software Download page. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps the store is just too recent (despite it being announced for a while already) for that software to have been included, or then again, perhaps it is the necessity of Apple's Review process that is putting people off. I assume that Apple reviews all of the software that an author might want to put on the store and has the final say in whether the app actually appears there or not ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Many of them are not here (too much traffic). Let's see if I can raise this at one of our next SC calls. We're really busy with other stuff, but... best, Charles. Le Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:39:13 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : > The devs are more than welcome to comment > > What do some of the big boys think? > > On 01/17/2011 05:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Jonathan, > > > > You should also ask all the other devs now :-) > > What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on > > this... > > > > Best, > > Charles. > > > > Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:27:17 +0100, > > Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : > > > >> I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does > >> take time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good > >> as the app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to > >> head up a team to get this ball moving in regards to getting > >> permission from oracle to relicense their code as well as getting > >> it into the app store itself. i think though for that someone will > >> need a developers license, which i am more then willing to get. > >> > >> On 01/14/2011 08:34 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > >>> Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : > >>> > >>> Hi Larry, > >>> > >>> > Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the > Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service > has now been replaced by the App Store. > > >>> I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was > >>> rather disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually > >>> available. I had rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar > >>> array of content to that which used to be (still is ?) available > >>> under the Freeware / Open Source filter of the Apple Software > >>> Download page. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps the store > >>> is just too recent (despite it being announced for a while > >>> already) for that software to have been included, or then again, > >>> perhaps it is the necessity of Apple's Review process that is > >>> putting people off. I assume that Apple reviews all of the > >>> software that an author might want to put on the store and has > >>> the final say in whether the app actually appears there or not ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Alex > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
The devs are more than welcome to comment What do some of the big boys think? On 01/17/2011 05:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Jonathan, You should also ask all the other devs now :-) What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... Best, Charles. Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:27:17 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does take time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good as the app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to head up a team to get this ball moving in regards to getting permission from oracle to relicense their code as well as getting it into the app store itself. i think though for that someone will need a developers license, which i am more then willing to get. On 01/14/2011 08:34 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : Hi Larry, Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service has now been replaced by the App Store. I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was rather disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually available. I had rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar array of content to that which used to be (still is ?) available under the Freeware / Open Source filter of the Apple Software Download page. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps the store is just too recent (despite it being announced for a while already) for that software to have been included, or then again, perhaps it is the necessity of Apple's Review process that is putting people off. I assume that Apple reviews all of the software that an author might want to put on the store and has the final say in whether the app actually appears there or not ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Jonathan, You should also ask all the other devs now :-) What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... Best, Charles. Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:27:17 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : > I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does take > time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good as the > app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to head up a > team to get this ball moving in regards to getting permission from > oracle to relicense their code as well as getting it into the app > store itself. i think though for that someone will need a developers > license, which i am more then willing to get. > > On 01/14/2011 08:34 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > > Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : > > > > Hi Larry, > > > > > >> Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the > >> Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service > >> has now been replaced by the App Store. > >> > > I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was rather > > disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually available. I had > > rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar array of content to > > that which used to be (still is ?) available under the Freeware / > > Open Source filter of the Apple Software Download page. Perhaps I > > missed something, or perhaps the store is just too recent (despite > > it being announced for a while already) for that software to have > > been included, or then again, perhaps it is the necessity of > > Apple's Review process that is putting people off. I assume that > > Apple reviews all of the software that an author might want to put > > on the store and has the final say in whether the app actually > > appears there or not ? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does take time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good as the app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to head up a team to get this ball moving in regards to getting permission from oracle to relicense their code as well as getting it into the app store itself. i think though for that someone will need a developers license, which i am more then willing to get. On 01/14/2011 08:34 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : Hi Larry, Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service has now been replaced by the App Store. I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was rather disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually available. I had rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar array of content to that which used to be (still is ?) available under the Freeware / Open Source filter of the Apple Software Download page. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps the store is just too recent (despite it being announced for a while already) for that software to have been included, or then again, perhaps it is the necessity of Apple's Review process that is putting people off. I assume that Apple reviews all of the software that an author might want to put on the store and has the final say in whether the app actually appears there or not ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Le 13/01/11 23:44, Larry Gusaas a écrit : Hi Larry, > Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the Open > Source software download page at Apple support. That service has now > been replaced by the App Store. > I checked out the App Store the day before yesterday and was rather disappointed by the paucity of "freeware" actually available. I had rather hoped that I would indeed find a similar array of content to that which used to be (still is ?) available under the Freeware / Open Source filter of the Apple Software Download page. Perhaps I missed something, or perhaps the store is just too recent (despite it being announced for a while already) for that software to have been included, or then again, perhaps it is the necessity of Apple's Review process that is putting people off. I assume that Apple reviews all of the software that an author might want to put on the store and has the final say in whether the app actually appears there or not ? Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
Being a mac user myself, i found out about OOo through word of mouth as well as when i started working with Linux. i found out it had installers for other OS's and i went from there. i usually promote through word of mouth be it mac windows Linux users. On 1/13/11 10:53 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can it be dual licensed to go on the app store? I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL). In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get an OK from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case. There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that does not give away their software for free. Larry Hi Larry, DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control mechanisms implemented: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-released-pirated-re-sold.ars http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the software itself is not considering the only goods you would be monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
On 2011/01/13 3:53 PM Fabián Rodríguez wrote: There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that does not give away their software for free. Larry Hi Larry, DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control mechanisms implemented: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 The second last post at that site links to: http://www.macworld.com/article/157018/2011/01/appstore_licensing.html Here are some excerpts: When you buy an app on the Mac App Store, you’re getting the rights to run that program on any Macs you own and operate, for your personal use ... Mac App Store apps aren’t wrapped in digital-rights management software, really. In fact, copy protection is not mandatory on Mac App Store apps. ... That’s it. There’s no authorizing or deauthorizing of Macs, like you do with iTunes media. There’s no five-Mac limit, or device limit of any kind. ... A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-released-pirated-re-sold.ars That is an article from 2009/02/02 and refers to the AppStore on iTunes for iOS devices. It is irrelevant to the discussion of the Mac App Store. http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html That article is about product registration and authorization of the application by the developer. That is different from DRM for the whole store. Any application I buy has to be registered and authorized before I can use it. Free applications don't have to be authorized. It is the same on the Mac App Store. "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the software itself is not considering the only goods you would be monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html I know the difference. The FSF makes dislikes anything that isn't and makes inaccurate statements about Apple and Mac software. I use the software that best suits my purpose. As a artist I cannot support the premise that all software should free/libre. Creators of software have rights and should be able to license their creation under any license they see fit, free or propriety. I do support the use of open file formats for documents created, such as ODF. When I need to send a document to someone send it as a PDF. Macs make it easy to do so since all I have to do is print the document and then instead of actually printing it, I can save it as a PDF. Thus I can send most documents that are orifinaly in various proprietary formats to people who do not have the program that can read the original. Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). How? Good question. Probably some article I read. I have been using OOo, mainly Writer, for about seven years. I've never used MS Office except briefly on friends computers. I previously used WordPerfect. I switched to a Mac four years ago. Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? Make it available in the App Store. OOo was always listed in the Open Source software download page at Apple support. That service has now been replaced by the App Store. Cheers, Fabian Larry -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?
On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: >> 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina >> >>> > Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow >>> us to put >>> > it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the >>> GPL or can >>> > it be dual licensed to go on the app store? >> I'm no expert, but as I understand it, LibreOffice is licensed under the >> LGPL, which should allow it to be used with DRM (whereas VLC was GPL). >> In order for LibreOffice to change its license, it would need to get >> an OK >> from all its contributors, including Oracle, which is not too likely to >> happen IMHO. But I don't think that's necessary in this case. > > There is no DRM used on the Mac OS X App Store. There is DRM on the > Apple iOS AppStore. They are two separate entities. The FSF objections > are to the DRM on the iOS AppStore and do not apply to the OS X App > Store. Of course, the FSF objects to Apple and any other company that > does not give away their software for free. > > Larry Hi Larry, DRM means "Digital Rights Management" and although it (apparently) has been easily circumvented in the App store, there are indeed such control mechanisms implemented: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1075297 A quick search shows confusing information about this (again): http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/poetic-justice-watch-crackulous-released-pirated-re-sold.ars http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20027731-264.html "Free" in "Free software" refers to Freedom, not free as in $0 cost. It's a common mistake, but the Free Software Foundation is not objecting to anyone selling Free software. Quite the opposite, in fact, except the software itself is not considering the only goods you would be monetizing. This article should help understanding such model: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Larry, knowing that you are the audience we seek, I'd like to know how you found out about OOo (or Libreoffice, if you didn't know OOo before). Perhaps that can provide other ways to better reach Mac audiences ? Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
