[tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Nikola Yanev]

Are there any plans to make an ppc release for MacOSX, because there is a
folder on the download page, but with no contents. Also some users are
asking about x86_64 releases for windows too as Solaris ones too.

> http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166425833374158 - asking for
> the solaris release
> http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166388576711217 - asking for
> ppc release
> http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166385503378191 - asking for
> windows x86_64 release
> Thanx a lot!
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Jean Hollis Weber]

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 13:27 +0300, Nikola Yanev wrote:
> Are there any plans to make an ppc release for MacOSX, because there is a
> folder on the download page, but with no contents. 

I see contents for Mac PPC on this page: 
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/mac/ppc/

Third item down appears to be the main download; it's 180MB.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Nikola Yanev]

Thanx, i posted it to the FB fan-page :) Thanx

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 13:27 +0300, Nikola Yanev wrote:
> > Are there any plans to make an ppc release for MacOSX, because there is a
> > folder on the download page, but with no contents.
>
> I see contents for Mac PPC on this page:
>
> http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/mac/ppc/
>
> Third item down appears to be the main download; it's 180MB.
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Carlo Strata]

I think we could also think about these builds:

- MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it 
exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);


- Windows 64 bit at least on x86-64 platform (IA64 one may not interest 
to people)


All builds like those we could find for:

- upcoming Firefox 4.0 here
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
and here the language packs
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/

- upcoming Adobe Flash Player 10.2 ("Square")
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

What do you think?

Carlo


Il 14/10/2010 12:27, Nikola Yanev ha scritto:

Are there any plans to make an ppc release for MacOSX, because there is a
folder on the download page, but with no contents. Also some users are
asking about x86_64 releases for windows too as Solaris ones too.


http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166425833374158 - asking for
the solaris release
http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166388576711217 - asking for
ppc release
http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166385503378191 - asking for
windows x86_64 release
Thanx a lot!

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[jonathon]

On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:

> - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it
 exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);

Mac OS X is intrinsically 64 bits.

> (IA64 one may not interest to people)

Does a version of Windows currently ship for that chip?

> - upcoming Adobe Flash Player 10.2 ("Square")

Adobe is a very bad example to follow, because they still live in a 32
bit world.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Carlo Strata]

Il 27/10/2010 08:13, jonathon ha scritto:

On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:


- MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it

  exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);

Mac OS X is intrinsically 64 bits.


Ok, but when Apple released firsts Intel based Mac not all CPUs were 
EM64T capable (please correct me if this is wrong) and this is, in my 
opinion, a lost opportunity/chance/occasion for Apple. So Intel Mac OSX 
for those hardware platforms were 32 bit only.


This is because I ask for: I don't know if PPC(32)/PPC64 yielded, in the 
past, a MacOS X 32/64 for PPC* platforms. Do you?


I'm not a MacOS X user (I am an OpenSuSE x86-64 one), but I hope this 
builds are released if they are meaningful as well as I hope NeoOffice 
groups and efforts converge (!) in LibreOffice in the same way Go-OO 
already is.


The latter may reasults in a NeoOffice updater releases (now still on an 
old 3.1.2!), but is only an easy first advantage.


We must concentrate and have not to waste human power, ideas, resources, 
and so on: this is compliant with the idea to 
differentiate/distinguish/diversify the various platform and GUI and...


Moreover I think that linux binary builds may be (!) unuseful because 
the existence of the distros' various build services for many more 
platform than x86(-32) and x86-64 ones. We must find some 
accommodation/deal with main distros in this way and share with them 
build experiences!!! We must not duplicate efforts and waste time and 
money in that other people already do! In the hope that within some 
years there will be a standard package format adopted by many (all?) 
distros and a related standard way to package the same code!!! Utopia...


I know many people disagree with this idea, but Go-OO already choose 
this (they built only some widely used "Universal Linux" packages):

http://go-oo.org/download/

What I mean is simply that we must use our build power to build 
platforms that has not their build services already.





(IA64 one may not interest to people)


Does a version of Windows currently ship for that chip?

May be Windows server 2008/2008-R2?




- upcoming Adobe Flash Player 10.2 ("Square")


Adobe is a very bad example to follow, because they still live in a 32
bit world.


I see you have not visited the suggested link ;-) and you are not 
updated in this mean so I give you it again :-)

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

Take a look: things are changing... Better late than never!



jonathon


Carlo

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Eric Hoch]

Hi Carlo, 
Am Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:03:58 +0200 schrieb Carlo Strata:
> Il 27/10/2010 08:13, jonathon ha scritto:
>> On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:
>> 
>>> - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it
>>   exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);
>> 
>> Mac OS X is intrinsically 64 bits.
> 
> Ok, but when Apple released firsts Intel based Mac not all CPUs 
> were EM64T capable (please correct me if this is wrong) 

Right. The first generation of at least the Mac Mini has only 
IntelCore processors which are 32bit only which from time to time 
begins to harm me when newer versions become 64bit only. 

> and this 
> is, in my opinion, a lost opportunity/chance/occasion for Apple. 
> So Intel Mac OSX for those hardware platforms were 32 bit only.

Not quite right. Mac OS X is hast sort of two kinds of universal 
binaries. 

The first kind are the ones for ppc/x86 which can run on both chip 
architectures. 

The second kind are the ones that contain the 32bit and 64bit code. 

And now you can combine as you like it. At least the last 
generation G5 PPC processors used are 64bit. 

To allow LO to be run on as much apple hardware that is still used 
and runs with 10.4 we should build binaries that contain both 32bit 
and 64 bit for both PPC and x86. 

> This is because I ask for: I don't know if PPC(32)/PPC64 yielded, 
> in the past, a MacOS X 32/64 for PPC* platforms. Do you?

It was once asked and discussed but by that time there was no need 
seen to build a 64bit OOo and we couldn't waist developer time to 
just do it because it can be done while the native version was in 
heavy development and priority one. 

> I'm not a MacOS X user (I am an OpenSuSE x86-64 one), but I hope 
> this builds are released if they are meaningful as well as I hope 
> NeoOffice groups and efforts converge (!) in LibreOffice in the 
> same way Go-OO already is.

NeoOffice has chosen the GPL license so they need to re-license 
their code.

> The latter may reasults in a NeoOffice updater releases (now 
> still on an old 3.1.2!), but is only an easy first advantage.

This way is possible they can use LO 3.2.0 or 3.3.0 code. 
 
>>> (IA64 one may not interest to people)
>> 
>> Does a version of Windows currently ship for that chip?
> May be Windows server 2008/2008-R2?

Afaik there was a Windows XP version for this chip, later on only 
the server versions of windows supported itanium and server 2008-R2 
will be the last windows to run on Itanium 
.
 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Christian Lohmaier]

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:13 AM, jonathon  wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:
>
>> - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it
>  exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);
>
> Mac OS X is intrinsically 64 bits.

That is not true.
Only with Mac OSX 10.6 Server version Mac OSX itself was 64bit. Intel
versions had 64bit userspace, but not core in 64bit.

And LO/OOo builds are built against 10.4 anyway, and that is 32bit on Intel.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases

[Dr. Peter Pöml]

Am 27.10.2010 um 14:04 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:13 AM, jonathon  wrote:
>> On 10/26/2010 07:17 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:
>> 
>>> - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it
>>  exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...);
>> 
>> Mac OS X is intrinsically 64 bits.
> 
> That is not true.
> Only with Mac OSX 10.6 Server version Mac OSX itself was 64bit. Intel
> versions had 64bit userspace, but not core in 64bit.

If you mean by that that there's no 64-bit kernel, that information should be 
obsolete. There is a 64-bit kernel with 10.6 (n.b., normal MacOS, not only 
server), and some latest Macs boot it by default: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3770

Most recent Macs can boot it, if the user chooses so: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773

Bottom line, some Macs support the 64-bit kernel since about two years, and 
it's the default on some. Applications can still run in 32-bit mode. Some 
applications already run in 64-bit mode by default, I noticed - like Safari, 
Mail, Aperture.

> And LO/OOo builds are built against 10.4 anyway, and that is 32bit on Intel.

Peter
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