Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-12-17 Thread Jason Hackney
05% ~ Writer
90% ~ Calc
00% ~ Impress
02% ~ Draw
02% ~ Base
01% ~ Math

Don't think I'm using the quick starter. This is Sabayon.

Writer: Mostly notes and technical documents for myself and the occasional
memo.
Calc: A lot of work (aircraft weight & balance/performance/flight planning
calculators)
Impress: I hate Impress. Sorry.
Draw: Prefer Inkscape/Gimp, but Draw in a pinch.
Base: Most of my stuff can be done in a spreadsheet, but more complex things
go in Base. Very little.
Math: Only when I need to drop a pretty formula into Writer. Very rarely.

Cheers, -jason

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-12-02 Thread Claus Agerskov
Sebastian G.  skrev:
> Do you use the quick starter?
No

Writer = 26%
Calc = 55%
Impress = 10%
Draw = 7%
Base = 0%
Math = 2%

Writer: Letters, business proposals, reports, business cards, flyers, 
assignments (several with objects from from Calc, Draw and Math)

Calc: business proposals, provisions, business calculations, charts, 
stock system (AgerLager .ots-template)

Impress: Presentasions of FOSS (FOSS in general, OOo/LibO, Linux and our 
Danish Open Source business accounting system SALDI).

Draw:  Diagrams, flowcharts and an origami CD/DVD case with info on 
front and back printed only on one side of the paper (used for promoting 
OOo 1.x in Scandinavia).

Base: Only tested it

Math: Assignments for a cource in Business Economic written in Writer.

The cource in Business Economic is also a showcase for my self to use 
Writer, Calc and Math in the 4 hour exam. So at every lection I use them 
for notes and creating the spreadsheets and formulas which would be a 
great help for the exam.

I haven't been at an exam for 15 years - and nowadays you can bring your 
own pc with everything you want except a connection to the rest of the 
world. When you're finish you copy your files to an USB stick and take 
to another pc where you print it out.

This will be my finest written exam ever.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message 

> From: Robert Boehm 
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 1:14:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components
> 
> On 11/28/2010 12:09 PM, Sebastian G.  wrote:
> > I'd like to  know which components are most used and maybe why others are 
>not. If you used  OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
> > 
> > This is more or less private.  There's no goal (other than to satisfy my 
>curiosity) of this survey, but someone  might use it for it's own purposes. 
>e.g. 
>discussing about changing installer  defaults, creating a light installer... 
>and 
>so on.
> > 
> > I start  (OpenOffice usage included):
> > 
> > Writer = 90%
> > Calc =  09%
> > Impress = 01%
> > Draw = 00%
> > Base = 00%
> > Math =  00%
> > 

Writer - 80%
Calc  - 18%
Impress - 1%

Base - well, I'd rather use a full RDBMS, if I need an interface I'll write 
one. 
Base/MS-Access has no use for me. Though I will probably use Base to access 
some 
old Access MDB's I have laying around from years ago.
Math - I don't do formulas, so no.
Draw - haven't used it yet

I mostly do spreadsheets, documents, and some occasional presentation slides.

> > 
> > Do  you use the quick starter?
> > 
> > I don't use the quick starter.
> Do not use Quickstarter because the  computers are fast enough
> that it's not necessary.

+100. I turn off all these things. I also review the start-up stuff on my 
Windows systems every now and again and remove anything I do not know and 
anything I think is unnecessary - even if it doesn't have a sys-tray icon.
Removing this would be one more step for the good of all software users.

It is never necessary to pre-load a program so as to make users _think_ 
(perception) that the software loads faster than it really does. If such steps 
are necessary, then the codebase needs to be reworked to actually _be_ faster.

I use OOo (for now) at home exclusively; though I do have to use in conjunction 
to MS Office at work; at least for converting DOC files from ODF. I do the 
conversion via OOWriter, but then have to go clean-up the cross-references, 
etc. 
in Word to ensure everything is correct.

Ben



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Sebastian G.

Am 29.11.2010 20:18, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina:

quick question is this an end user or a LO dev gathering this
information for the document foundation.

if the document foundation is interested in these statistics, why not
integrate a system that will allow collection of anonymous usage data
like i have seen in some ides such as netbeans and eclipse?



I'm just an end user. Since I'm not a dev and the fact that a 
mailinglist doesn't represent a large user-base this is for me 
personally. It would be bad if such information would be gathered 
through mailing-lists alone.. especially if these data should be used to 
work with, rather than just simple statistic.


29 Nov 2010, 20:46 (+0100)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
quick question is this an end user or a LO dev gathering this 
information for the document foundation.


if the document foundation is interested in these statistics, why not 
integrate a system that will allow collection of anonymous usage data 
like i have seen in some ides such as netbeans and eclipse?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:30:34 -0600, Cyril Arnaud   
wrote:



I use OpenOffice daily, and I installed OpenOffice in one of my
customers office.
That's a smal office but they are using 60% Writer, 20% Calc, 20%
Impress.
They use Impress a lot (for creation and reviewing presentation made by
others).
They like Writer and Calc very much, Impress ... not so much (especially
when they receive a presentation in .pptx ...)

Draw, Base are used really really marginally.

I don't use the quickstarter (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/562027)

-Cyril

On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 19:09 +0100, Sebastian G. wrote:


I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as  
well.


Do you use the quick starter?

This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my
curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own
purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a
light installer... and so on.

I start (OpenOffice usage included):

Writer = 90%
Calc = 09%
Impress = 01%
Draw = 00%
Base = 00%
Math = 00%


I don't use the quick starter.

Writer: to write private letters
Calc: to create some listings and calculations
Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own
for fun)
Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint
(gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform
tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)
Base: I don't create any databases.
Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Regards,
bastik

28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)

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I would also have a different kind of review since Draw has competitors  
and the competitors users aren't really considering Draw. Things like  
Visio or QuarkExpress type of users. Or users that will want to do DTP and  
preffer using the wordprocessor (Word or Writer) versus Draw because they  
are not familiar with it.


Althought I agree Scribus and others are more complete in that regard.  
Draw is really good for putting together a tabloid.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:09:33 +0100
"Sebastian G. "  wrote:

> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others
> are not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage
> data as well.
> 
> Do you use the quick starter?
> 
> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy
> my curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
> purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating
> a light installer... and so on.
> 


Writer  = 25%
Calc= 45%
Impress = 15%
Draw=  0%
Base= 15%
Math=  0%
 
 
I don't know if I use the quick starter. ;-) Just keep the default
setting after installation (Windows download and Ubuntu via package
manager).

Writer:  Mostly to write letters
Calc:Listings, calculations, timesheets etc.
Impress: Creating and watching presentations from others
Draw:Not much need for drawing
Base:Several databases with linked table to keep track of things
 and create reports
Math:No need for it

Regards,
Manfred

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Christophe Strobbe


At 19:57 28/11/2010, Mirek M. wrote:

2010/11/28 Sebastian G.  

> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
> not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
>
> Do you use the quick starter?


(All my answers are based on 6 years of using OpenOffice.org on 
Windows - both at work and at home.)

No.



>
> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my
> curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own purposes.
> e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a light
> installer... and so on.
>
> I start (OpenOffice usage included):
> (...)


Writer = 90% (work and home)
Calc = 4-5% (work only)
Impress = 4-5% (work only)
Draw = 1-2% (work only)
Base = never
Math = only when evaluating OOo accessibility (i.e. work only)

Writer is also the main tool for creating PDF; most other tools for 
creating PDF don't support "tagged PDF", which is important for accessibility.



> (...)


Best regards,

Christophe


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Michele Colagrossi
Hi Sebastian

Work:
80% Writer
15% Calc
05% Impress

Privat:
95 % Writer
05 % Calc

I use that quickstarter

Bye






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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Sveinn í Felli
I do a bunch of DTP and construction-related work. Then some 
FOSS promotion too, along with translations of such 
software. If the Anaphraseus extension would work better 
with LibO/OOo, then I'd probably dump OmegaT for Writer.



Do you use the quick starter?

No, disable the thing if I notice its running

Writer = 30%
Calc = 40%
Impress = 10%
Draw = 20%
Math = 01%
Base = 01%


Writer: Reports, narratives and even proofreading of HTML text.

Calc: Analysis of data, simple to complex calculations, 
table layout and structuring before entering DTP.


Impress: Occasional lectures, speeches.

Draw: For simple flowcharts and illustrations, quite nice in 
that kind of work. Inkscape, SK1, Krita, GIMP, Hugin, 
Blender and Scribus for anything serious (icc profiles, etc).


Math: Occasionnally I have to demonstrate its existance - 
and try to figure out some compatibility with MS-Equation.


Base: More into using MySQL databases, but I recon it can be 
useful for small thingies. Love the general connectivity of 
OOo/LibO with many kinds of DBs.


Maybe Draw should be targeted more towards 'Visio'-style 
usage? And/or to be an internal image handler instead of 
being a standalone-app?


Cheers,
Sveinn í Felli


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Michael Wheatland
To give a bit of background, I am a chemical engineer involved in
analysis and optimisation of a minerals processing facility.This
likely means that my usage statistics are quite different from home or
casual users however I believe these statistics somewhat reflect the
use case in the business world.

Do you use the quick starter?
No

 Writer with Math = 20%
 Calc = 60%
 Impress = 20%
 Draw = 00%
 Base = 00%

Writer and Math: To write technical reports
Calc: Massive amount of data being extracted, process and analysed
from a third party database.
Impress: As business communication tool
Draw: Prefer Inkscape and GIMP due to UI and ease of use.
Base: Use dedicated multiple MySQL databases due to power and
stability requirements

>From a business point of view: Widespread use of writer, spreadsheets
and presentations.
Draw and Base are targeted incorrectly for a business market where
Drawings are either very sketchy or a very high standard and databases
are designed to be very basic, stable and process critical unlike the
features of Base and it's MS counterpart.
Spreadsheet to 3rd party database compatibility is very important.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Robert Derman

Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 01:30:32PM -0600, Robert Derman wrote:

...snip

  

I use Writer a minimum of 1 hour every day, weekends included,
probably an average of 3 hours a day.   I don't use any of the other
components at all.  As far as I am concerned, I would like to see a
Writer Only package offered.



Maybe you should use Abiword and dump LO and/or OOo unless there is some
feature of the suites that Abiword lacks. It would free up a lot of disk
space. 
  
I have hundreds of Gigabytes of free disk space!  And as I recall, Abi 
doesn't have word completion.  I forgot to mention I am now on page 40 
of my personal journal and on page 150 of one novel and page 50 of 
another.  I need a powerful word processor, I just don't need a 
spreadsheet, presentation program, drawing program or database.Oh, 
and I don't have LO yet, won't until it gets past beta.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 01:30:32PM -0600, Robert Derman wrote:

...snip

> I use Writer a minimum of 1 hour every day, weekends included,
> probably an average of 3 hours a day.   I don't use any of the other
> components at all.  As far as I am concerned, I would like to see a
> Writer Only package offered.

Maybe you should use Abiword and dump LO and/or OOo unless there is some
feature of the suites that Abiword lacks. It would free up a lot of disk
space. 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread RGB ES
The usage depends upon the particular project, but I mainly use
Writer: IF the project needs simple diagrams, then I use Draw, IF the
project needs some simple math, then I use Math (if it needs complex
math, I use LyX... sorry, but we physicists cannot live without LaTeX
/ XeTeX).
I use Calc only as "register": my needs are too basic for a database.
Impress only to answer questions on the Forums and see pps sent by "friends".
Don't use Base.
Quickstarter? What's that?... ;)

2010/11/28 Sebastian G.  :
> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
> not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
>
> Do you use the quick starter?
>
> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my
> curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own purposes.
> e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a light
> installer... and so on.
>
> I start (OpenOffice usage included):
>
> Writer = 90%
> Calc = 09%
> Impress = 01%
> Draw = 00%
> Base = 00%
> Math = 00%
>
>
> I don't use the quick starter.
>
> Writer: to write private letters
> Calc: to create some listings and calculations
> Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own for
> fun)
> Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint
> (gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform tool.
> (Just for used for testing purpose)
> Base: I don't create any databases.
> Math: I don't needed that in the past.
>
> Regards,
> bastik
>
> 28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Frank Esposito
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:
>
> 2010/11/28 Sebastian G.  
>
> > I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
> > not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
> >
> > Do you use the quick starter?


never used quickstarter, under windows it is disabled

Writer = 85%
Calc = 15%
Impress = 00%
Draw = 0.05%
Base = 0.01%
Math =0%


and i still am forced to use MSO word and Excel due to incompatibilities :(

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Sebastian!

Am Sonntag, den 28.11.2010, 19:09 +0100 schrieb Sebastian G. :
> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are 
> not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.

I hope it's allowed to add other's peoples usage data ;-)

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1

Detailed data on the application use can be found here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/fb/OOoUserSurvey2009_Final.ods

[...]

> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my 
> curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
> purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a 
> light installer... and so on.

The private approach is perfect - roughly 99,998% of the people who
would be affected by these answers are not addressed via this mailing
list.

> I start (OpenOffice usage included):
> 
> Writer = 90%
> Calc = 09%
> Impress = 01%
> Draw = 00%
> Base = 00%
> Math = 00%

Depends on what I'm working on, I would say ...
Writer = 50%
Calc = 25%
Draw = 0% (or, just reproducing bugs *g*)
Base = 0%
Math = 0% 

> I don't use the quick starter.

It's up to the distribution default. Since it is usually residing in the
RAM (I only suspend my computer), it doesn't matter (to me).

> Writer: to write private letters

Same here. Or to read / review some larger texts my girlfriend works on.

> Calc: to create some listings and calculations

Same here.

> Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own 
> for fun)

Mostly creating presentations, e.g. for the trade fairs and conferences
and such stuff.

> Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint 
> (gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform 
> tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)

Inkscape, of course :-)

> Base: I don't create any databases.
> Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Well, I don't use Math at the moment, but I used it heavily in the past.

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Robert Derman

Sebastian G.  wrote:
I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others 
are not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data 
as well.


Do you use the quick starter?

This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy 
my curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating 
a light installer... and so on.


I start (OpenOffice usage included):

Writer = 90%
Calc = 09%
Impress = 01%
Draw = 00%
Base = 00%
Math = 00%


I don't use the quick starter.

Writer: to write private letters
Calc: to create some listings and calculations
Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my 
own for fun)
Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint 
(gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform 
tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)

Base: I don't create any databases.
Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Regards,
bastik

28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)
I use Writer a minimum of 1 hour every day, weekends included, probably 
an average of 3 hours a day.   I don't use any of the other components 
at all.  As far as I am concerned, I would like to see a Writer Only 
package offered.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Cyril Arnaud
I use OpenOffice daily, and I installed OpenOffice in one of my
customers office.
That's a smal office but they are using 60% Writer, 20% Calc, 20%
Impress.
They use Impress a lot (for creation and reviewing presentation made by
others).
They like Writer and Calc very much, Impress ... not so much (especially
when they receive a presentation in .pptx ...)

Draw, Base are used really really marginally.

I don't use the quickstarter (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/562027)

-Cyril

On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 19:09 +0100, Sebastian G. wrote:

> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are 
> not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
> 
> Do you use the quick starter?
> 
> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my 
> curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
> purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a 
> light installer... and so on.
> 
> I start (OpenOffice usage included):
> 
> Writer = 90%
> Calc = 09%
> Impress = 01%
> Draw = 00%
> Base = 00%
> Math = 00%
> 
> 
> I don't use the quick starter.
> 
> Writer: to write private letters
> Calc: to create some listings and calculations
> Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own 
> for fun)
> Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint 
> (gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform 
> tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)
> Base: I don't create any databases.
> Math: I don't needed that in the past.
> 
> Regards,
> bastik
> 
> 28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)
> 
> -- 
> Impurities make things work and sometimes unique.
> Go Libre!
> 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Mirek M.
2010/11/28 Sebastian G.  

> I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
> not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.
>
> Do you use the quick starter?
>
> This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my
> curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own purposes.
> e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a light
> installer... and so on.
>
> I start (OpenOffice usage included):
>
> Writer = 90%
> Calc = 09%
> Impress = 01%
> Draw = 00%
> Base = 00%
> Math = 00%
>
>
> I don't use the quick starter.
>
> Writer: to write private letters
> Calc: to create some listings and calculations
> Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own for
> fun)
> Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint
> (gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform tool.
> (Just for used for testing purpose)
> Base: I don't create any databases.
> Math: I don't needed that in the past.
>
> Regards,
> bastik
>

Writer: 100%

I left Impress for the presentation program in Google Docs, as all the
presentations I make I share, I sometimes collaborate on presentations, and
I find Impress pretty unusable. All of my other shared documents I also edit
in Google Docs.
I use Inkscape instead of Draw, and I used to use Adobe Fireworks (which I
still find preferable, but, unfortunately, it fares horribly under Linux).

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Robert Boehm

On 11/28/2010 12:09 PM, Sebastian G.  wrote:
I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others 
are not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data 
as well.


Do you use the quick starter?

This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy 
my curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating 
a light installer... and so on.


I start (OpenOffice usage included):

Writer = 90%
Calc = 09%
Impress = 01%
Draw = 00%
Base = 00%
Math = 00%


I don't use the quick starter.

Writer: to write private letters
Calc: to create some listings and calculations
Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my 
own for fun)
Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint 
(gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform 
tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)

Base: I don't create any databases.
Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Regards,
bastik

28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)


Writer:  80%
Calc:  10%
Impress:  6%
Draw:  3%
Others: 1%

Do not use Quickstarter because the computers are fast enough
that it's not necessary.

I use Draw for making components in newsletters that I write.

Bob

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[tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Sebastian G.
I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are 
not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as well.


Do you use the quick starter?

This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my 
curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own 
purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a 
light installer... and so on.


I start (OpenOffice usage included):

Writer = 90%
Calc = 09%
Impress = 01%
Draw = 00%
Base = 00%
Math = 00%


I don't use the quick starter.

Writer: to write private letters
Calc: to create some listings and calculations
Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own 
for fun)
Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint 
(gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform 
tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)

Base: I don't create any databases.
Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Regards,
bastik

28 Nov 2010, 19:09 (+0100)

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