Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto:
 That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button
 inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well.
 
Yes it is a good message but I still prefere to put the doc docx end
everything not related to standard odf in an Export menu voice, even
with messages like that.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit
pier_andr...@yahoo.it wrote:
 Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto:
 That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button
 inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well.

 Yes it is a good message but I still prefere to put the doc docx end
 everything not related to standard odf in an Export menu voice, even
 with messages like that.

Keeping in mind that your average joe end user is looking to 'save'
his file, not 'export' it.
Moving doc and docx file save to the export menu results in another
thing to teach the end user rather than it being intuitive.

I support a warning message for any and all exports, but we should
keep it as simple as possible for end users.

It is also important that LibreOffice does not recognise an
export/save to doc/docx as a 'save' but rather an export so the
program will prompt the user to save in ODF when closed.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 03/01/2011 10:46, Michael Wheatland ha scritto:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit
 pier_andr...@yahoo.it wrote:
 Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto:
 That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button
 inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well.

 Yes it is a good message but I still prefere to put the doc docx end
 everything not related to standard odf in an Export menu voice, even
 with messages like that.
 
 Keeping in mind that your average joe end user is looking to 'save'
 his file, not 'export' it.
 Moving doc and docx file save to the export menu results in another
 thing to teach the end user rather than it being intuitive.

Yes I know, but I think it is easy to learn for squared average joe end
user,

 
 I support a warning message for any and all exports, but we should
 keep it as simple as possible for end users.
 

Yes, I think so, an example is GIMP, the image modifier software, when
you want to save in jpeg format it asks you to export

 It is also important that LibreOffice does not recognise an
 export/save to doc/docx as a 'save' but rather an export so the
 program will prompt the user to save in ODF when closed.
 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread Philippe . VIENT

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[tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-01 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
Just a thought

Might the following message be useful the first time a user tries to save in 
docx.

--
Caution: this format is only fully supported by MS Word since 2007.  Saving in 
this format 
may not be suitable if you wish to share data with users of older versions of 
Word or users 
of other file formats.  If you are sharing with users of older versions of 
Word, the .doc format 
is recommended.

Please select which format to save as:
[ ] DOCX[ ]DOC

[ ]Remember my choice and don't ask me this question again when DOCX is 
selected.
--

In the selection for which file-type to use, would the following phrasing be 
useful.  Docx is 
there - just not encouraged!  If my understanding is correct, docx is an xml 
representation of 
the binary format, so saying .doc is a format for Word 97-2010 is correct.

MS Word 97-2010 (.doc)
MS Word 95 (.doc)
MS Word 6 (.doc)
MS Word 2007-10 (.docx)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-01 Thread Wolf Halton
That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button
inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-01 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 01/01/2011 08:21 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote:


In the selection for which file-type to use, would the following phrasing be 
useful.  Docx is
there - just not encouraged!  If my understanding is correct, docx is an xml 
representation of
the binary format, so saying .doc is a format for Word 97-2010 is correct.


The situation is more complex. There are at least 3 different DOCX 
versions: 2007 transitional, 2010 transitional and strict (which will 
arrive in 2013 or later). Users do not have the slightest idea of the 
complexities associated with standard formats.


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