Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
I'm sorry to bring up the Microsoft topic. But it is improving in Libreoffice, ive used a daily build of LO 3.6 as I am receiving docx files and they are mostly now opening only in LO with correct margining and formatting layouts from MO. All I can say is that LO should not give up on developing software with compatability with MO or IWork. As in an academic and education area I find myself working with other formats from other users, and most of the time it works well in LO. We shall see what the future reveals. ljelly. On Saturday, 19 May 2012, Patrick GERIN wrote: Le 16/05/2012 7:34, Marc Paré a écrit : ...snip... Thanks, I should have mentioned that I was not really looking for the MS format compatibility as this is an on-going process, even almost a cat and mouse process for LibreOffice. I find that professors I collaborate with are more forgiving of the ODF format and will accept submissions in ODF from their students. The reason for this is that some of these professors use LibreOffice at home and do conferences with their laptop with both MSO and LibreOffice on their machines. So, I am really looking for people on this list who are in academia and have extended their LibreOffice for use in their work. What extensions are they using, and, it would be nice to know why? Cheers, Marc Dear Marc, I am working in an university environment. I'm successfully using LibreOffice without any add-on or extension. However, my use of LibreOffice is quite limited in my profesionnal environment, due to the following problems: 1. I have to work with files (texts, spreadsheets, presentations) that have to be edited and exchanged with students and colleagues, who are mostly M$ users (sorry to come back again to the same M$ story...) 2. We tried to select Calc as the reference spreadsheet for all data treatment in my team, but absence of X-error bars is too limiting for our specific use. As mentionned by others, Zotero is used in our university environment for bibliographic citations. Hope this can help, Best regards, PG -- == Patrick GERIN -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Laurence Jeloudev Do us a favour and get gmail (http://www.gmail.com), so you don't loose your emails and then print them off! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
2012/5/15 Laurence Jeloudev ljelou...@gmail.com wrote, among other things: I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed. Dream on. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
2012/5/15 Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu Like it or not, only one thing matters: Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period! Pieter Simple, just ask Microsoft to publish the specifications for all their file formats … Regards, Olav Dahlum -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
I agree that is the worse thing that I do not like about LibreOffice, is that there is no sufficient compatibility with Microsoft Office. An Example are pptx files, that have formatting errors where the text does not fit on the same slide, and runs off the page. so everything has to be re-sized again. all the text boxes. So why use the proprietary file formats in Microsoft Office then? Most of them are defective by design as well. I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed. If they ditch the flawed OOXML support, that can happen. Microsoft are not the only company that have this problem, working with Apple iwork files also has formatting problems with Calc in Libreoffice when apple convert them to an xls format. i don't understand how that works Apple do not have the file specifications for Microsoft Office formats, as the rest of us. On top of that, Microsoft Office for MacOS have been known to cause problems when opening files created in the Windows version. Coincidence? LibreOffice and Google Docs (Drive) still don't work together sometimes especially with fonts and formatting errors. Although again, its a google issue not an issue with libreoffice. So, why bring it up here? In An Academic environment, I believe the software suite could work, although I am restricted currently at the moment only allowed to use Microsoft Office. I am a student at a school, the thing that annoys me, is when microsoft office lags, and it hangs, on school computers. It then wastes a lot of my time when typing a document (somtimes crashing and the document doesn't want to retrieve!). Then when I am at home, libreoffice always works flawlessly. Meaning, they have no concept of sharing documents using standardized formats. This is good reading for the uneducated: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/#Before, and if they don't understand, confiscate their computer(s). ljelly. Regards, Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? I think that LibreOffice, and specifically LibreOffice Writer, is quite good in writing essays. You can use page and paragraph styles in order to create a structured document. The documentation has more information about this, or see http://simos.info/blog/archives/651 Actually this is very important, because the proper use of styles can help you manage big documents. You can use math equations as in http://www.libreoffice.org/features/math/ so no third-party tool is required. You can manage your bibliography with Zotero (Firefox Add-on), which has a feature to export to LibreOffice. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On 16/05/2012 08:18, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? I think that LibreOffice, and specifically LibreOffice Writer, is quite good in writing essays. You can use page and paragraph styles in order to create a structured document. The documentation has more information about this, or see http://simos.info/blog/archives/651 Actually this is very important, because the proper use of styles can help you manage big documents. You can use math equations as in http://www.libreoffice.org/features/math/ so no third-party tool is required. You can manage your bibliography with Zotero (Firefox Add-on), which has a feature to export to LibreOffice. Simos Simos what about citation of sources and bibliographies, as well as appendices for lets say a thesis? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/05/2012 08:18, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? I think that LibreOffice, and specifically LibreOffice Writer, is quite good in writing essays. You can use page and paragraph styles in order to create a structured document. The documentation has more information about this, or see http://simos.info/blog/archives/651 Actually this is very important, because the proper use of styles can help you manage big documents. You can use math equations as in http://www.libreoffice.org/features/math/ so no third-party tool is required. You can manage your bibliography with Zotero (Firefox Add-on), which has a feature to export to LibreOffice. Simos Simos what about citation of sources and bibliographies, as well as appendices for lets say a thesis? You can cite your bibliography in the document using 'Insert→citation. There are more bibliography tools, if you are interested to test them out, JabRef, http://jabref.sourceforge.net/ Mendeley, http://www.mendeley.com/ (+document management, closed source). Regarding appendices, see http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg14422.html I wonder if there is a document on the LibreOffice Wiki about all these. That is, a document that explains how to use LibreOffice Writer for academic work. Simos -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
-Original Message- From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.li...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:48 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/05/2012 08:18, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? I think that LibreOffice, and specifically LibreOffice Writer, is quite good in writing essays. You can use page and paragraph styles in order to create a structured document. The documentation has more information about this, or see http://simos.info/blog/archives/651 Actually this is very important, because the proper use of styles can help you manage big documents. You can use math equations as in http://www.libreoffice.org/features/math/ so no third-party tool is required. You can manage your bibliography with Zotero (Firefox Add-on), which has a feature to export to LibreOffice. Simos Simos what about citation of sources and bibliographies, as well as appendices for lets say a thesis? You can cite your bibliography in the document using 'Insert?citation. There are more bibliography tools, if you are interested to test them out, JabRef, http://jabref.sourceforge.net/ Mendeley, http://www.mendeley.com/ (+document management, closed source). Regarding appendices, see http://www.mail-archive.com/users@global.libreoffice.org/msg14422.html I wonder if there is a document on the LibreOffice Wiki about all these. That is, a document that explains how to use LibreOffice Writer for academic work. Simos Indeed such a page or rather a chapter about usage of LIBO from the perspective of a young starting academic would be a very good thing to have. Maybe with the help of some fore runner academia? Might also be interesting idea for other professional areas. Pieter -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Hi Marc! 2012/5/15 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc I am a senior researcher at the University of Eastern Finland, and have used OOo/LibO for years. I think LibO is good enough for basic writing and presentations. Extension I have found useful: - alternative search, compose special characters, linguist, convert text to number, notes anchor. Support for many languages (Finnish + English, French, Spanish, German, Swedish) is essential for researcher's in any small language area. I can do almost everything I need with LibO. There are, however, two big missing features I would favor. The first missing feature is the management of bibliographic information (references, citations). In the past – as a Windows user – I used to create my list of references by using EndNote. It's a great tool for a social scientist. We really need something like it. The other missing feature is real multimedia support for Impress (adding videos and sound in presentations, don't work now, actually). There are only few templates for academic use, for thesis, papers for review in journals etc.To create a proper file for their final version of their theses is a nightmare for most students using Word. A nice template for this would be appreciated very much. best regards JusSi -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Hello! On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:16:26 +0300 Jussi Silvonen jussi.silvo...@gmail.com wrote: ... The other missing feature is real multimedia support for Impress (adding videos and sound in presentations, don't work now, actually). I used videos and sounds in my LO Impress presentations many times and it worked great. Currently I'm using LO 3.5.3 Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Like it or not, only one thing matters: Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period! Pieter -Original Message- From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:33 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On 15/05/2012 5:52 PM, Pieter E. Zanstra wrote: Like it or not, only one thing matters: Seemless file exchange with Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. Period! Pieter -Original Message- From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:33 AM To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted I agree that is the worse thing that I do not like about LibreOffice, is that there is no sufficient compatibility with Microsoft Office. An Example are pptx files, that have formatting errors where the text does not fit on the same slide, and runs off the page. so everything has to be re-sized again. all the text boxes. I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in there next office release, as then it would help more compatibility issues and problems with files and formatting hopefully being fixed. Microsoft are not the only company that have this problem, working with Apple iwork files also has formatting problems with Calc in Libreoffice when apple convert them to an xls format. i don't understand how that works LibreOffice and Google Docs (Drive) still don't work together sometimes especially with fonts and formatting errors. Although again, its a google issue not an issue with libreoffice. In An Academic environment, I believe the software suite could work, although I am restricted currently at the moment only allowed to use Microsoft Office. I am a student at a school, the thing that annoys me, is when microsoft office lags, and it hangs, on school computers. It then wastes a lot of my time when typing a document (somtimes crashing and the document doesn't want to retrieve!). Then when I am at home, libreoffice always works flawlessly. ljelly. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Þann þri 15.maí 2012 07:32, skrifaði Marc Paré: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc First, using LibreOffice would be a long term process towards use of ODP as a file format for future references, in my country this is a recommandation from our National Archives. Concerning extensions/add-ons in academic context: frequently asked is about an EndNotes replacement. There have been threads here on [tdf-discuss], most recommend Zotero for bibliographic work. My 2 centimes, Sveinn í felli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
On 15/05/12 09:20, Laurence Jeloudev wrote: I hope Microsoft Office support Libreoffice file formats the odf formats in there next office release, They already support odf formats. (From Office 2007 SP1 if I recall). Unfortunately they do it on their terms such that if you open an ods file in Excel ALL the formulae are stripped out and replaced with the last value. Useful, huh? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice for Academic Work -- College/University
Bibliography creation as well as source citations are very very important. Regards Jonathan Aquilina On May 15, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marc Paré wrote: I need to work out a short note about use of LibreOffice in an academic environment. What would some of you, who are using LibreOffice, consider necessary to use LibreOffice in an academic setting. I am not looking for a wish-list, but a list of any extensions/add-ons to LibreOffice that are available right now. Is LibreOffice sufficient as is, or do any of you have any suggestions of add-ons that are really needed for such a setting as a college/university/academic environment? Thanks for any input. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
