Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
In Brazil the leading dictionary is VERO (BrOffice's - LibreOffice default) the only one that ships with most of our new orthography ... so it IS possible for FOSS to bring a BETTER thing to the table, we in Brasil are no longer running AFTER MSO , we are seing them at our rear mirror ;) Rogerio 2011/1/2 Charles Marcus > On 2011-01-01 1:50 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: > > Zaphod, > > I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. The work > > required to implement such an integration would be much larger but the > > payoff would be worth it for coordination and integration of an open > > source language management system. > > And I guess I should have clarified as well - I absolutely agreed with > the idea, I just disagreed with the apparent characterization (which I > see was just a misinterpretation on my part) of 'LibO vs MSO'... > > -- > > Best regards, > > Charles > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On 2011-01-01 1:50 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote: > Zaphod, > I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. The work > required to implement such an integration would be much larger but the > payoff would be worth it for coordination and integration of an open > source language management system. And I guess I should have clarified as well - I absolutely agreed with the idea, I just disagreed with the apparent characterization (which I see was just a misinterpretation on my part) of 'LibO vs MSO'... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 05:07:38PM -, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > American English need an extension before it can use a British English > dictionary? Why > can Thunderbird not share a dictionary with LibO. What about Scribus? MSO > users are > used to a shared dictionary across apps. It can. OOo/LibO and Thunderbird use *exactly* the same dictionary. That Windows is too unflexible and doesn't have symlinks and whatever and Linux "packages" form here and there also duplicate them oesn't make it impossible. Linux distros nowadys put them to /usr/share/hunspell and make OOo/LibO and the Mozilla family look *there*. Same for hyphenation patterns and thesauri. Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On 01/01/2011 06:07 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Remember the users. TDF was born to bring back the user at the center of the project. Users generate and manage documents. Now that MS are giving away Office for free (on the web), or cheap (£40 to UK school students - free to many University students). Now that MS are buying up chunks of commonly used apps (have you seen the advertising on Facebook and how it links with Bing?). Now that MS are managing a seamless experience for users, at reasonable costs... it's time for FOSS to realise that free-to-use and free-as-in-speech are not the selling points we think they are. Freedom as a message is both powerful and difficult to convey. Our task is to make freedom a popular concept amongst office suite users. -- Italo Vignoli - The Document Foundation E-mail: italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org Mobile +39.348.5653829 - VoIP: +39.02.320621813 Skype: italovignoli - GTalk: italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > Hi Charles, > >> > So why is there so much duplication of effort in the campaign >> > against MS? >> >> I strongly disagree with your assertion that we are or should be >> engaging in any kind of 'campaign against Microsoft', or even that our >> long term goal is or should be to 'replace Microsoft Office as the >> package of choice...' > > Allow me to rephrase myself then: > > "Why is there so much duplication of effort in the campaign to replace > Microsoft products, > on grounds of ethics, user choice, or simply being better?" > > In any business, there is an aspect of being 'against' others. Newspapers > compete against > each other for market share. Retaillers are 'against' each other. Even > Debian are 'against' > Red Hat to an extent, but work together to develop both of their wider > interests. > > >> What I think we are or should be striving for is to simply be the best >> Office/Productivity software available, whether free or commercial. >> >> We do and should NOT have to put Microsoft Office Down in order to raise >> ourselves up. If we cannot stand on our own to feet based solely on our >> own merits, then we deserve to fall flat on our faces. > > I'm not putting MSO down. I think my post was very complementary towards MS > and their > efforts. Yes, they might have a few questionable marketing tactics (that we > should speak > about), but they also have some fine engineers who make fine products. > > Thanks for giving me the chance to calrify my thoughts. > > zf Zaphod, I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. The work required to implement such an integration would be much larger but the payoff would be worth it for coordination and integration of an open source language management system. Great idea. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On 01/01/11 17:35, Charles Marcus wrote: > What I think we are or should be striving for is to simply be the best > Office/Productivity software available, whether free or commercial. > > We do and should NOT have to put Microsoft Office Down in order to raise > ourselves up. If we cannot stand on our own to feet based solely on our > own merits, then we deserve to fall flat on our faces. > I *think* that is precisely the point *Zaphod* was attempting to make. More precisely (s)he was attempting to highlight a perceived duplication in efforts that may prove a hindrance to that goal. -- "The only demand that property recognizes, is its own gluttonous appetite for greater wealth, because wealth means power; the power to subdue, to crush, to exploit, the power to enslave, to outrage, to degrade." -- Emma Goldman, Anarchism & Other Essays (1910) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
Hi Charles, > > So why is there so much duplication of effort in the campaign > > against MS? > > I strongly disagree with your assertion that we are or should be > engaging in any kind of 'campaign against Microsoft', or even that our > long term goal is or should be to 'replace Microsoft Office as the > package of choice...' Allow me to rephrase myself then: "Why is there so much duplication of effort in the campaign to replace Microsoft products, on grounds of ethics, user choice, or simply being better?" In any business, there is an aspect of being 'against' others. Newspapers compete against each other for market share. Retaillers are 'against' each other. Even Debian are 'against' Red Hat to an extent, but work together to develop both of their wider interests. > What I think we are or should be striving for is to simply be the best > Office/Productivity software available, whether free or commercial. > > We do and should NOT have to put Microsoft Office Down in order to raise > ourselves up. If we cannot stand on our own to feet based solely on our > own merits, then we deserve to fall flat on our faces. I'm not putting MSO down. I think my post was very complementary towards MS and their efforts. Yes, they might have a few questionable marketing tactics (that we should speak about), but they also have some fine engineers who make fine products. Thanks for giving me the chance to calrify my thoughts. zf -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Just make the damn thing work! (was Re: Dictionary Syncing)
On 2011-01-01 12:07 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > A few points to remember though: > We are in a long-term goal to replace MS Office as the package > of-choice. As part of the wider open-source fraternity, we are in > long-term campaign to remove Microsoft's influence and bring back > proper choice to the user. > So why is there so much duplication of effort in the campaign > against MS? I strongly disagree with your assertion that we are or should be engaging in any kind of 'campaign against Microsoft', or even that our long term goal is or should be to 'replace Microsoft Office as the package of choice...' What I think we are or should be striving for is to simply be the best Office/Productivity software available, whether free or commercial. We do and should NOT have to put Microsoft Office Down in order to raise ourselves up. If we cannot stand on our own to feet based solely on our own merits, then we deserve to fall flat on our faces. Obviously, I already believe that this is already where we are, or I wouldn't be here. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
