Re: [tdf-discuss] Licensing question

2013-07-26 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Michael,

On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 09:53 +0200, RA Stehmann wrote:
> So: why does LibreOffice use the MPL?

The MPLv2 has many advantages and some weaknesses, as do all licenses
depending of course on what you want to achieve. Having said that,
personally I believe it is a great choice for LibreOffice and what TDF
want to achieve. Some fairly large chunks of MPL code are also
distributed with the AOO binaries, it is a 'category-b license' in their
nomenclature.

Either way - I don't believe the framing of your question is that
helpful, or takes account of the balance of contribution & momentum on
the ground. As such, I don't think this is likely to be a terribly
productive interaction no matter what some subset of user comments on
web news threads say today.

All the best,

Michael.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Licensing question

2013-07-26 Thread RA Stehmann
On 26.07.2013 00:32, Toki Kantoor wrote:
> On 07/25/2013 10:06 PM, theUser BL wrote:
> 
>> The big question is: Why doing LibreOffice that?
> 
> The short answer is that the licenses that each organization uses allows
> that to happen.
> 
> The longer answer is that free qua libre has implications that free qua
> open does not have. Implications that the Apache Foundation is
> apparently not willing to accept. Likewise, free qua open has
> implications that free qua libre does not have. Implications that the
> Document Foundation is apparently not willing to accept.
> 

That's not the whole truth. The Apache licence doesn't contain a
copyleft clause - that's true.

But the MPL contains a very weak copyleft. The copyleft of the LGPL is
much stronger.

So: why does LibreOffice use the MPL?

Think about it!

Regards
Michael





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Re: [tdf-discuss] Licensing question

2013-07-26 Thread RA Stehmann
On 26.07.2013 00:06, theUser BL wrote:
> At first: Congratulation to LibreOffice 4.1.
> 
> In the forums to german news, the most people want to see LibreOffice and 
> ApacheOpenOffice to merge.
> 

Merging parts of the code is one thing, merging the projects is another.

IMO a good and fair collaboration between the projects would be better
for the improvement of Free Software than merging both projects.

Regards
Michael



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Licensing question

2013-07-25 Thread Toki Kantoor
On 07/25/2013 10:06 PM, theUser BL wrote:

> The big question is: Why doing LibreOffice that?

The short answer is that the licenses that each organization uses allows
that to happen.

The longer answer is that free qua libre has implications that free qua
open does not have. Implications that the Apache Foundation is
apparently not willing to accept. Likewise, free qua open has
implications that free qua libre does not have. Implications that the
Document Foundation is apparently not willing to accept.

Whether or not those organizations will adopt a license other than they
currently use, depends upon how well somebody can convince the
organization, in its entirety, to accept the limitations of the new
license, and its attendant vices, forgoing the virtues of the license
that it currently uses.

FWIW, I think that the discussion of the vices, and virtues of the
respective licenses belongs in a different place. Alt.flame would be
where I'd point you to.

jonathon
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