Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Hi *, I know I'm late to this thread, but anyway. On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/04/2012 14:40, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:35) Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor Then how to do all this from your word processor on any system ..? But all systems set a default email client.the File-Send-Document as Email uses whatever you (the User) have set as the default email client. So how hard is it to make the mail merge do the same thing? It is unsuitable for automatic processing, as every mail requires user-interaction. While LO can pre-fill *some* of the fields (and what those fields are depend on the email-program), it cannot auto-send it. The user would have to sit in front of the screen and manually click send for every mail. Surely nothing suitable for an automatic email-merge. But the actual reason why I respond: Just use an smtp server that keeps record of the mails you send. gmail does this by default - every mail you send is available in the sent folder. Other mail-providers surely have similar options. Maybe they won't keep sent mails forever, but you should be able to copy them from your sent folder to your archive or something similar. Or just add your own account into bcc of every mail. That way you also have a record of every mail that was sent. Or, as suggested here: Write a small patch that writes a logfile of the sent mail. Writing the logging is very easy (just add print-statements to the python-code that sends the mails) - adding a UI control for it is a little bit more complicated. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Hi Gordon, *, On 13/04/2012 12:46, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: One of the concerns I have, though, is in terms of usability... would asking the default mail client to handle thousands of emails make the client freeze? Would it be automated nicely, so that the user doesn't have to click on 'send' until their fingers fall off? Or what about users doing their email via web account only? I don't have the answer to those questions... I am just giving my two cents. I don't think that's going to be a problem - anyone who is sending that sort of bulk email is going to be using a commercial bulk email program That sounds as if You are an expert on how to remote control an arbitrary mail client. Is there a standardized api for that? To solve Your problem of having records: how about putting yourself into BCC? This is what basically does your mail client for the local copy. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13-04-2012 16:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 13/04/2012 14:40, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:35) Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor Then how to do all this from your word processor on any system ..? But all systems set a default email client.the File-Send-Document as Email uses whatever you (the User) have set as the default email client. So how hard is it to make the mail merge do the same thing? I think for both situations, xdg-email[1] is the way to go, at least in Linux. [1] http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-email.html -- Gökçen Eraslan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13-04-2012 16:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 13/04/2012 14:40, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:35) Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor Then how to do all this from your word processor on any system ..? But all systems set a default email client.the File-Send-Document as Email uses whatever you (the User) have set as the default email client. So how hard is it to make the mail merge do the same thing? I think for both situations, xdg-email[1] is the way to go, at least in Linux. [1] http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-email.html -- Gökçen Eraslan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 12:30 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I had cause the other day to do a Mail Merge to Email in Writer. I was horrified to discover that the Mail Merge to Email function does NOT call the default email client, but uses an in-built smtp function within Writer. The major problem with that as far as I can see is that there is NO RECORD ANYWHERE of the emails sent by that process. Surely in the days of Sarbanes-Oxley and other legislation that is an appalling omission? Sarbanes-Oxley applies to financial accounting, does it not? And the sending of an email is generally not recorded in the financial records of a business. What do the two have to do with each other? What am I missing? I am neither an American nor an accountant (not even a bookkeeper grin /), so please deal gently with my ignorance. My intention here is not to resist improvements to LibreOffice. Rather, I am questioning the basis for your words horrified and appalling. Terry. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
I like the suggestion. As the dev team has been trying to shrink the LO suite, and remove a lot of bloat accumulated over the years, this is something that could slash a lot of the footprint. One of the concerns I have, though, is in terms of usability... would asking the default mail client to handle thousands of emails make the client freeze? Would it be automated nicely, so that the user doesn't have to click on 'send' until their fingers fall off? I don't have the answer to those questions... I am just giving my two cents. Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. -James 1:4 http://asimplediscipleslife.blogspot.com/ mlaverd.theunixplace.com On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: I had cause the other day to do a Mail Merge to Email in Writer. I was horrified to discover that the Mail Merge to Email function does NOT call the default email client, but uses an in-built smtp function within Writer. The major problem with that as far as I can see is that there is NO RECORD ANYWHERE of the emails sent by that process. Surely in the days of Sarbanes-Oxley and other legislation that is an appalling omission? Wouldn't it be far easier to call the default email client rather than use some in-built sending mechanism, just like it does if you use the File-Send-Document as Email? Secondly (and this is a usage comment not a plea for a change of function!)) using a Gmail account in this function causes LO to become non-responsive - it doesn't like the SSL function -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
If this was a vote. I agree it needs to be done. A major idea that needs to be rethought. It would work better if it just worked for email clients and there would be probably less code in writer. On Friday, 13 April 2012, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I had cause the other day to do a Mail Merge to Email in Writer. I was horrified to discover that the Mail Merge to Email function does NOT call the default email client, but uses an in-built smtp function within Writer. The major problem with that as far as I can see is that there is NO RECORD ANYWHERE of the emails sent by that process. Surely in the days of Sarbanes-Oxley and other legislation that is an appalling omission? Wouldn't it be far easier to call the default email client rather than use some in-built sending mechanism, just like it does if you use the File-Send-Document as Email? Secondly (and this is a usage comment not a plea for a change of function!)) using a Gmail account in this function causes LO to become non-responsive - it doesn't like the SSL function -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.**blogspot.com/http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.**com/article/9594#mpart8http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Laurence Jeloudev Do us a favour and get gmail (http://www.gmail.com), so you don't loose your emails and then print them off! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Hi all, Marc-André Laverdière wrote (13-04-12 13:46) As the dev team has been trying to shrink the LO suite, and remove a lot of bloat accumulated over the years, this is something that could slash a lot of the footprint. The email is a very tiny Python component :-) One of the concerns I have, though, is in terms of usability... would asking the default mail client to handle thousands of emails make the client freeze? Would it be automated nicely, so that the user doesn't have to click on 'send' until their fingers fall off? Indeed. How to integrate all that we can do from the LibreOffice mail merge in coexistence with an random email client ? I see already zillion shortcomings, configuration challenges and bugs at the horizon :-) On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: The major problem with that as far as I can see is that there is NO RECORD ANYWHERE of the emails sent by that process. Would be easy to add for someone able to write Python. HTH, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13/04/2012 12:46, Marc-André Laverdière wrote: One of the concerns I have, though, is in terms of usability... would asking the default mail client to handle thousands of emails make the client freeze? Would it be automated nicely, so that the user doesn't have to click on 'send' until their fingers fall off? I don't have the answer to those questions... I am just giving my two cents. I don't think that's going to be a problem - anyone who is sending that sort of bulk email is going to be using a commercial bulk email program -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13/04/2012 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: Indeed. How to integrate all that we can do from the LibreOffice mail merge in coexistence with an random email client ? I see already zillion shortcomings, configuration challenges and bugs at the horizon :-) The File-Send-Document As Email already calls random email clients as in the default email client.would it be that hard to replace the smtp function with a call to the DEFAULT mail client? (I know nothing about coding.) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 14:02) The File-Send-Document As Email already calls random email clients as in the default email client.would it be that hard to replace the smtp function with a call to the DEFAULT mail client? (I know nothing about coding.) With the mail functionality from mail merge there is control over title, content, attachments, to, cc, bcc, the address from etc. All in a single component, without having to bother about different programs. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13/04/2012 13:30, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 14:02) The File-Send-Document As Email already calls random email clients as in the default email client.would it be that hard to replace the smtp function with a call to the DEFAULT mail client? (I know nothing about coding.) With the mail functionality from mail merge there is control over title, content, attachments, to, cc, bcc, the address from etc. All in a single component, without having to bother about different programs. Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13/04/2012 13:30, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 14:02) The File-Send-Document As Email already calls random email clients as in the default email client.would it be that hard to replace the smtp function with a call to the DEFAULT mail client? (I know nothing about coding.) With the mail functionality from mail merge there is control over title, content, attachments, to, cc, bcc, the address from etc. All in a single component, without having to bother about different programs. OK, keep this functionality. But LO MUST keep a record of the emails sent in some way - it doesn't at the moment, which is not a good thing. That is my main objection - if this function was passed through an email client there would be a record of the sent emails. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:35) Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor Then how to do all this from your word processor on any system ..? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:37) OK, keep this functionality. ;-) But LO MUST keep a record of the emails sent in some way - it doesn't at the moment, which is not a good thing. That is my main objection - if this function was passed through an email client there would be a record of the sent emails. I think that indeed is a valuable addition. Are you known with BugZilla, to add and enhancement issue ? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
On 13/04/2012 14:40, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 15:35) Yes, but that is what an email client does, not a word processor Then how to do all this from your word processor on any system ..? But all systems set a default email client.the File-Send-Document as Email uses whatever you (the User) have set as the default email client. So how hard is it to make the mail merge do the same thing? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail Merge to Email in Writer
I have to agree with the comment of what an email client does. We shouldn't be integrating the same features as what an email client does. As Libreoffice is not an email client. It is a word processor office suite not an email client. Features for word processing application are needed not an email client. I believe it is useless code. Most enterprises either use outlook thunderbird or groupwise for their businesses. Even some businesses run google apps now, office 365. The point is the obvious mail client which everyone can use are really only 3 if you think about it. Another suggestion is if Libreoffice integrated features of mail merge to somehow combine with an email client really easily? Finally, Libreoffice is missing many collaboration and sharing features and auto save features that are featured in os x lion and pages. Another suggestion maybe to have a central specific display window similar to the save and open functions in the office suite that was purely based on sharing and collaboration and file sharing to other people and or email via a mail merge. Another piece of code that was smaller and more integrated into Libreoffice than the original mail merge code. Just suggestions. LJ On Friday, 13 April 2012, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 13/04/2012 13:30, Cor Nouws wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (13-04-12 14:02) The File-Send-Document As Email already calls random email clients as in the default email client.would it be that hard to replace the smtp function with a call to the DEFAULT mail client? (I know nothing about coding.) With the mail functionality from mail merge there is control over title, content, attachments, to, cc, bcc, the address from etc. All in a single component, without having to bother about different programs. OK, keep this functionality. But LO MUST keep a record of the emails sent in some way - it doesn't at the moment, which is not a good thing. That is my main objection - if this function was passed through an email client there would be a record of the sent emails. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Laurence Jeloudev Do us a favour and get gmail (http://www.gmail.com), so you don't loose your emails and then print them off! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
