Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist
Hi Christian Lohmaier, *, Christian Lohmaier schrieb: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Gmail very capable for mailing lists. Except for the very one drawback you just demonstrated: When changing the subject, gmail will break the thread (start a new one) as it will remove the references from the reply. Can't confirm. References are O.K. here. So it's an accidently damage or a gmail ./. gmail prob (If I interpreted headers well). Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images (german version already started) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Larry, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Gmail very capable for mailing lists. Except for the very one drawback you just demonstrated: When changing the subject, gmail will break the thread (start a new one) as it will remove the references from the reply. This only happens on this list, because every subject is prepended with [tdf-discuss] and some replies get Re: inserted after it while others insert the Re: before the [tdf-discuss] token, leading to four kinds of subjects like: 1. [tdf-discuss] Communication in Mailinglist 2. Re: [tdf-discuss] Communication in Mailinglist 3. [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist 4. Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist Having these four different styles instead of just two is what causes conversations to break. gmail (and possibly others) use the first and second styles, and don't recognize that the third is a reply to the first, generating the fourth. What clients generate the third? One solution to the problem is to agree on using either the second or third style, and punish anyone who uses the banned version. This will be difficult, as most people don't realize where the Re: goes in their own replies, and some mail clients will default to the other version. The better solution in my mind is to remove the [tdf-discuss] part of the subject. I know it's the [tdf-discuss] mailing list because of the address discuss@documentfoundation.org and the signature, and this information doesn't have to be duplicated in the subject line. Most modern mail clients include some filter functionality to help differentiate between mailing lists - browsing a list of subjects and expecting anyone who communicates with you to label themselves with a token in brackets is rather old-fashioned. Also, having that token in every subject is redundant when browsing properly filtered emails. -- Kevin Vermeer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist
Hi Larry, *, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/23 11:58 AM Christian Lohmaier wrote: 2. I didn't change the subject, Friedrich Strohmaier changed it. Oh yes, it was changed (but according to usual etiquette, thus was very likely done by gmane itself) It was changed from: [tdf-discuss] Communication in Mailinglist (was:Re: Request: Installation Instructions) (Friedrich) To just [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist (your post) When changing subjects in usenet/mailinglists it is common to include the old subject like this New Subject (was: old subject) and then remove the (was: old subject) in replies (also you usually don't include the Re: in the old subject) The point is you claimed gmail being very capable for mailinglists, I usually agree, but the references issue bugs me. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Communication in Mailinglist
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.comwrote: On 2010/11/23 12:25 PM Kevin Vermeer wrote: This only happens on this list, because every subject is prepended with [tdf-discuss] and some replies get Re: inserted after it while others insert the Re: before the [tdf-discuss] token, leading to four kinds of subjects like: Once again I am glad that I follow this list as a newsgroup through gmane. None of the post I get have [tdf-discuss] in the subject line. As for the insertion of the Re:, that is determined by the email client. Some insert it before, some after [tdf-discuss]. Why does gmane remove it? It's clearly a part of the subject, if you look at the original headers. Is filtering with tokens in square brackets a standardized or recommended practice? If so, I'll submit a bug report to the gmail team, and that will be the end of it. However, gmane is the only client I'm aware of that handles it in a special way (based on the gmail web interface and Mozilla Thunderbird and Apple Mail tools). If the action it takes is to strip it, then why bother in the first place? -- Kevin Vermeer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
