Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-02 7:26 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
 But as this mail is buried under a huge discussion, she/he should start
 a new thread, ask for co-workers, define the test documents and help us
 all with the results.

As I have suggested many times in the past, there needs to be a
*dedicated* place in the support area for this.

The simpler the better - I'd prefer just a simple web submission form,
but whatever it ends up being, it should be easy for people to 'submit'
problem documents and descriptions, without forcing them through a lot
of hoops - such as registering for yet another web based user account.

These submissions should go into some kind of back-end database
'moderated' by volunteers willing to verify the problem documents, and
if confirmed, open a bug report for it.

In my opinion, document compatibility issues should be given a higher
priority than most.

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Charles

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-03 Thread Leif Lodahl
Hi,

Bernhard Dippold wrote


 It would be good to have some test documents, to convert them from one of
 the formats to the others and find out the best interoperability solution
 for the present versions of the different software packages.


I have a set of documents covering 36 basic interoperability features.
These documents has been used by the Danish government in an earlier
test and we are still using them for benchmarking. The documents
covers only what we call below the functionality ceiling wich makes
the test very very basic. But we might be able to create new document
for future more comprehensive tests. I agree that we should have a
fixed set of documents so we can compare tests.

I will try to find the documents today and give you the coordinates :-)


Cheers,
Leif Lodahl

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-02 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Barbara, all,

Barbara Duprey schrieb:

On 1/2/2011 2:29 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 1/2/11 8:15 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:


Italo, one of the things that would make me (and maybe others here) feel
better about OOXML support is if writing to the XP formats causes LibO
to make compromises that do not have to be made going to OOXML. That is,
if documents developed under an ODF application can be converted to a
higher-quality product, in terms of compatibility of features and
formatting, when going to OOXML (even in the Transitional formats) than
they can when going to XP. Is that the case?


[...] I do not know if writing OOXML has a higher
level of compromises than writing in the old MS proprietary formats,
because I am not a technical expert and I trust on developers and
engineers for these issues. I suppose that there are different
compromises.

 [...] So I'd like to know what that is -- and there still

seems to be a possibility that for new documents constructed in LibO,
writing the XP formats provides better interoperability than writing the
OOXML ones. That's not a FOR or AGAINST issue, it's a matter of product
quality.


It would be good to have some test documents, to convert them from one 
of the formats to the others and find out the best interoperability 
solution for the present versions of the different software packages.


This is a task for community members owning the MSO packages as well as 
LibO. They don't need any programming skills, they don't need to be 
experts in marketing, QA, UX or any other part of the community, but 
they will probably support the work of all these groups with the result 
of their work.


So, if anybody wants to provide a substantial contribution as 
mentioned in the Community Bylaws, this might be a topic to work on.


But as this mail is buried under a huge discussion, she/he should start 
a new thread, ask for co-workers, define the test documents and help us 
all with the results.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-02 Thread Andy Brown

On Sun Jan 02 2011 18:31:07 GMT-0800 (PST)  todd rme wrote:


Koffice (I guess Calligra now) already has a set of ms office test
documents.  See here:

http://158.36.191.251:8080/viewLog.html?buildId=1745buildTypeId=bt7tab=testsInfo

Rather than getting your own set of test documents, I think it would
be better to share a document set with the Callgira developers.
First, this saves resources for both groups, since documents added by
one will be available to the other.  Second, it helps guarantee
interoperability between the two suites.



Good idea but site requires an account, also not sure it is the same site.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-02 Thread Andy Brown

On Sun Jan 02 2011 18:43:41 GMT-0800 (PST)  Andy Brown wrote:

On Sun Jan 02 2011 18:31:07 GMT-0800 (PST)  todd rme wrote:


Koffice (I guess Calligra now) already has a set of ms office test
documents.  See here:

http://158.36.191.251:8080/viewLog.html?buildId=1745buildTypeId=bt7tab=testsInfo 



Rather than getting your own set of test documents, I think it would
be better to share a document set with the Callgira developers.
First, this saves resources for both groups, since documents added by
one will be available to the other.  Second, it helps guarantee
interoperability between the two suites.



Good idea but site requires an account, also not sure it is the same site.




Sorry, I jumped the gun there.  It seems to be the correct site with 
guest access.


Andy

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