Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily to replace Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it. Excellent--this is what I was hoping we were collectively thinking in this discussion. Using successful attributes of Inkscape as inspiration for improvements to Draw is a great approach, since it has faced and solved many of the same problems. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
On Nov 16, 2010, at 4:16 PM, BRM wrote: It's other short-coming is that it's a do-one-thing-and-do-it-well piece of software. It won't replace a Bitmap editor, which is very useful for creating new artwork and getting the shading right. Yes, it does vector graphics and uses SVG. It's entirely designed around SVG. Yes, you can probably export to other formats (been a while since I tried, though I know at least PNG can be exported to). But that doesn't resolve the need for doing coloration, etc in the way a bitmap editor can do it - which is the antithesis of InkScape. There are strengths and weaknesses to both - and yes, InkScape does a great job at what it does. (I do love using it, and it's far far easier to use than GIMP.) But a suite like LibO needs both sides of the functionality. I've long wanted to see a simple raster (bitmap) image editor included in LibO. I'd like it to include basic image cropping, saving in different formats, and simple editing, similar to what Preview in Mac OS X provides. Outside of MS Paint, which isn't powerful enough, there's no pre-installed tool for Windows users to manage these functions--thus an opening for LibO to step in and fill this user need. (How many times have you received Word docs that just contain a pasted image, because they have no other way to save the file? This happens to me in business settings frequently.) -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily to replace Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it. Excellent--this is what I was hoping we were collectively thinking in this discussion. Using successful attributes of Inkscape as inspiration for improvements to Draw is a great approach, since it has faced and solved many of the same problems. One thing I really like in Inkscape is the object alignment tools. Very easy to use and very powerful. Surely that would not be too difficult to implement in Draw? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
On Nov 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily to replace Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it. Excellent--this is what I was hoping we were collectively thinking in this discussion. Using successful attributes of Inkscape as inspiration for improvements to Draw is a great approach, since it has faced and solved many of the same problems. One thing I really like in Inkscape is the object alignment tools. Very easy to use and very powerful. Surely that would not be too difficult to implement in Draw? I agree--these would be a major benefit for Draw users. They may be my biggest feature request for Draw as well. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
On 17 November 2010 22:53, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily to replace Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it. Excellent--this is what I was hoping we were collectively thinking in this discussion. Using successful attributes of Inkscape as inspiration for improvements to Draw is a great approach, since it has faced and solved many of the same problems. One thing I really like in Inkscape is the object alignment tools. Very easy to use and very powerful. Surely that would not be too difficult to implement in Draw? I agree--these would be a major benefit for Draw users. They may be my biggest feature request for Draw as well. Well they are there in a different form and a bit simpler so it should not be too big a task to improve them. Going for relatively simple tasks that make a significant difference is most cost-effective in use of resources. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
Inkscape is used by kids in primary schools so the argument about professional designers doesn't really hold water - I use it on a netbook! So why not have docked panes in Draw? If it works well offer it. Simple. Because the topic wasn't about docked panes, but about the transformation dialog. You brought up docked panes, not me ;-) And, used varies. If we compare functionality, then it should be compared on a given use case. Take most use cases and Inkscape will win. I agree that Inkscape is a great tool and much more handy for kids - in my point of view, because simple things like like moving objects, drag-and-drop, ... works better. But, to be efficient within complex graphics, the task pane of Inkscape just grabs a lot of space (which then has to be scrolled, or you have to undock it and move it around, ...). Fortunately, in our case, position control is given via the toolbars - not only via the task pane. Which is a whole lot less user friendly, whether it is a professional graphics designer or a school kid. By the way, Christian Lippka offered a nice private teaser some weeks ago. This is about how the layout might work for such task panes: http://lippka.com/teaser.png However, the original discussion was about avoiding iterative opening/closing the position dialog. And the given proposal was to - first - improve the positioning first. The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an option to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that option. Clumsy non-multi-tasking dialogues are just one of many issues. I guess if a long time supporter of OOo like me is saying this many others would too, so rather than trying to justify Draw's shortcomings we need to work out how to prioritise improvements to Draw and learn from applications that do it better. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)
2010/11/15 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an option to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that option. Clumsy non-multi-tasking dialogues are just one of many issues. I guess if a long time supporter of OOo like me is saying this many others would too, so rather than trying to justify Draw's shortcomings we need to work out how to prioritise improvements to Draw and learn from applications that do it better. -- Ian I use Draw only for simply diagrams, for complex stuff I use Inkscape or (maybe, I'm starting the tests with it) karbon14. -- Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
