Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
Tamas Szekeres wrote: I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is possible. I guess it might have been a close competition. Tamas, It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc. If you, or other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be revisited. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
This is not a definitive weigh-in, and frankly, I had not even thought of seeing the vote count until the suggestion, but it might be worthwhile (I am not saying do it; I am saying, think about doing it... there might be benefits). In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more. On 8/9/07, Frank Warmerdam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamas Szekeres wrote: I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is possible. I guess it might have been a close competition. Tamas, It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc. If you, or other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be revisited. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| President OSGeo, http://osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/education/ ST Policy Fellow, National Academy of Sciences http://www.nas.edu/ - collaborate, communicate, compete = ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
This is not a definitive weigh-in, and frankly, I had not even thought of seeing the vote count until the suggestion, but it might be worthwhile (I am not saying do it; I am saying, think about doing it... there might be benefits). In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more. -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/education/ ST Policy Fellow, National Academy of Sciences http://www.nas.edu/ - collaborate, communicate, compete = ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
Frank Warmerdam wrote: Alternatively, the topic could be discussed at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe). I can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists. All OSGeo wiki pages related to FOSS4G2007 can be found by use of the FOSS4G2007 Category wiki page: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2007 The OSGeo AGM wiki page is: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/AGM_2007 -- Dave Patton Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ FOSS4G2007: Workshop Committee Conference Committee http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity contest to see who beat out whom. What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it benefit OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the future? The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that. If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see how each charter member voted? This is beyond openness. -gary (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to do with my position on this issue) On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: P Kishor wrote: In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more. Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...) I don't have a strong opinion on this. If someone would like to take this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting agenda at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue for the next board meeting. Alternatively, the topic could be discussed at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe). I can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists. Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it is helpful for someone to carry the ball. I'm not going to be that person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea. Best regards, -- --- +-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| President OSGeo, http:// osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Gary Sherman Chair, QGIS Project Steering Committee Micro Resources: http://mrcc.com *Geospatial Hosting *Web Site Hosting We work virtually everywhere -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
I agree with Gary and Frank that we don't really need to know how many votes each candidate got. I would rather suggest that before we cast our votes for the board next time we should have a healthy discussion on how do we want the board to look like, what kind of representation is needed for OSGeo to be a global organization covering different aspects of OSGeo mission to avoid just voting for people we know. Helena On Aug 9, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Gary Sherman wrote: What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity contest to see who beat out whom. What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it benefit OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the future? The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that. If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see how each charter member voted? This is beyond openness. -gary (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to do with my position on this issue) On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: P Kishor wrote: In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more. Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...) I don't have a strong opinion on this. If someone would like to take this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting agenda at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue for the next board meeting. Alternatively, the topic could be discussed at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe). I can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists. Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it is helpful for someone to carry the ball. I'm not going to be that person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea. Best regards, -- --- +-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| President OSGeo, http:// osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Gary Sherman Chair, QGIS Project Steering Committee Micro Resources: http://mrcc.com *Geospatial Hosting *Web Site Hosting We work virtually everywhere -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
Hi Gary, I was not the person who originally requested this, but I did show interest in this, so I am presenting my reason here, for what they are worth. Actually, I am not even so much interested in seeing who got how many votes as I am in seeing the geographical distribution of whence the votes came from and where they went... if that could be shown on the map... or, if I can imagine it on a map. For now, it is heavily weighted in North America and Europe, and rightly so... most of this technology was invented in these regions, most of the developers are from these regions, most of the implementations are in these regions, most of the momentum in these regions. In the long run, I would like to see OSGeo spread its wings on all corners of the globe. I am not trying to hasten this process artificially, but I am interested in seeing the process itself, and see it happen sooner rather than later... imagine... if I could see a time-lapse movie of open geospatial spreading around the world! For now, I am more interested in seeing where we need to focus more, encourage more activity, perhaps even do some special hand-holding, if required. That is all of my reasoning. It is not crucial or urgent, and there is no other agenda -- if collectively it is decided that not showing the tally is better, I am cool with that as well... On 8/9/07, Gary Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity contest to see who beat out whom. What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it benefit OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the future? The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that. If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see how each charter member voted? This is beyond openness. -gary (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to do with my position on this issue) On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: P Kishor wrote: In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more. Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...) I don't have a strong opinion on this. If someone would like to take this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting agenda at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue for the next board meeting. Alternatively, the topic could be discussed at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe). I can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists. Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it is helpful for someone to carry the ball. I'm not going to be that person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea. Best regards, -- --- +-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, [EMAIL PROTECTED] light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| President OSGeo, http:// osgeo.org ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Gary Sherman Chair, QGIS Project Steering Committee Micro Resources: http://mrcc.com *Geospatial Hosting *Web Site Hosting We work virtually everywhere -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/ Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/ Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/education/ ST Policy Fellow, National Academy of Sciences http://www.nas.edu/ - collaborate, communicate, compete = ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS GIS project for Pune city
Hi All, this is a commendable effort, and hopefully many other Indian cities will benefit from such work. I hope the documents of modus-operandi of this work can be released for free downloads on websites like GRASS GIS. Ravi Kumar --- rajendra jagdale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Science and Technology Park has launched open source product for Urban GIS called GISDA (GIS for Dynamic administration) and now it is available for all Urban Local bodies in India. Please visit www.pcmcgisda.org.in and pl give your comments/suggestions. Rajendra Dr.Rajendra Jagdale Director General Science and Technology Park (promoted by DST, Govt. of India University of Pune Pune 411007 Telefax: +91-20-25699206/25693449 On 08/08/07, RAVI KUMAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Markus, the Free Software Foundation, which has representation in OSGeo India chapter is doing work in this regard. Files for Marathi and Hindi are there, but messages aren't much translated therein. Hopefully this will be covered. Cheers Ravi Kumar *Markus Neteler [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hi Ravi, to take efforts to the concrete - do you see a chance to work on the translation of GRASS user messages to Indian languages? This is something which I/we cannot cover due to language barrier. http://grass.itc.it/devel/i18n.php Files for Marathi and Hindi are there, but messages aren't much translated therein. A perfect task for a user since no development skills are needed! Maybe you could find people to work on this? Best Markus On 8/8/07, RAVI KUMAR wrote: Hi All, My Congratulations to all the newly elected board members. Hope the OSGeo board will promote more vigorously development, and implementation of FOSS GIS in the world and the developing world in Particular. The ground realities of the complex needs of developing world may be given a thought. The catch 22 situation in countries like India needs a solution, by giving incentives to students and education institutes of Geo informatics alike. Cheers Ravi Kumar Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org/ http://osgeo.org/grass -- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ--on Yahoo! Travel. ___ OSGeo_discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wgrass.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/mailman/listinfo/osgeo_discuss -- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
