Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Cameron Shorter]

Chris and Dave are right, I'd strongly suggest using a less restrictive 
license than GPL as you will likely increase your developer base.


Dave McIlhagga wrote:

On 23-Jun-08, at 11:40 AM, Paolo Cavallini wrote:


Bjorn Sandvik ha scritto:

I'll consider the pros and cons between different licenses. I don't 
have

commercial interests,
but I would like the project to be sustainable.

I've changed my mind about using SourceForge, - I agree that Google 
Code

is more suitable.


Please note:
- GPL is more widely used
- many people prefers it, for good reasons (too long to explain here)
- Google Code apparently puts severe restrictions on exporting code to
several countries.
All the best.


Similarly there are many good reasons for the long-term sustainability 
of the project to embrace a more open license such as the BSD which 
welcomes all participants - even if they have proprietary commercial 
interest. We avoid GPL like the plague for exactly this reason.


Dave

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Lester Caine]

Christopher Schmidt wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:40:41PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Bjorn Sandvik ha scritto:


I'll consider the pros and cons between different licenses. I don't have
commercial interests,
but I would like the project to be sustainable.

I've changed my mind about using SourceForge, - I agree that Google Code
is more suitable.

Please note:
- GPL is more widely used


Than what?

In any case, GPL is designed to prevent use of the software in a
specific set of contexts. I maintain my position that for Javascript
Libraries, the GPL is confusing at best, and tends to hurt uptake of 
an open source project, in my experience. (ExtJS is a strong counter

example of a JS library which is GPL licensed -- but they are not an
open source project, just open source code.) 


The GPL is a fine license for many things, I just think that open souce
Javascript Libraries isn't among them.


GPL is appropriate if you do not want other people to make money out of your 
effort. LGPL may be more appropriate for Libraries but only after reading 
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html



- Google Code apparently puts severe restrictions on exporting code to
several countries.


Google Code follows the legal restrictions that are placed on it by the
government of the country in which the company is based. (I mentioned
this in my previous email.) Sourceforge is also a US-based company: it
has the same *legal* restrictions placed on it, and I don't know if
there is evidence that it doesn't have the same restrictions as Google
Code; if they do, I believe that they would be in violation of the law
anyway, though admittedly, as with all things, something being against
the law doesn't stop people from doing it. 


http://alexandria.wiki.sourceforge.net/Notes+on+the+Hosting+of+Cryptographic+Software+at+SourceForge.net
But a small number of projects are now providing their own CVS or SVN 
facilities because THEY do not like the idea of code being controlled by 
America that was not created in America and has not need to be controlled by 
inappropriate rules. It's only cryptography which is a problem, but 
increasingly we are needing to secure passwords and other data, which is where 
lines can be crossed if one is not careful.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Chris Puttick]

- "Lester Caine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:40:41PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote:
> >> Bjorn Sandvik ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> I'll consider the pros and cons between different licenses. I
> don't have
> >>> commercial interests,
> >>> but I would like the project to be sustainable.
> >>>
> >>> I've changed my mind about using SourceForge, - I agree that
> Google Code
> >>> is more suitable.
> >> Please note:
> >> - GPL is more widely used
> > 
> > Than what?
> > 
> > In any case, GPL is designed to prevent use of the software in a
> > specific set of contexts. I maintain my position that for
> Javascript
> > Libraries, the GPL is confusing at best, and tends to hurt uptake of
> 
> > an open source project, in my experience. (ExtJS is a strong
> counter
> > example of a JS library which is GPL licensed -- but they are not
> an
> > open source project, just open source code.) 
> > 
> > The GPL is a fine license for many things, I just think that open
> souce
> > Javascript Libraries isn't among them.
> 
> GPL is appropriate if you do not want other people to make money out
> of your 
> effort. LGPL may be more appropriate for Libraries but only after
> reading 
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
> 
Surely you mean people not making money out of selling your efforts without 
making a contribution back? Plenty of people make money from selling services 
around GPL software without breaching the licence and I don't think many of 
those developing GPL software begrudge that.

Chris



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[OSGeo-Discuss] More photos from Bolsena

[Javier Carrasco]

Here my photos,

http://picasaweb.google.es/jacarma

Javi Carrasco
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some photos from Bolsena

[Martin Landa]

Hi,

some of my photos available at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157605789939571/

Regards, Martin

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Jeroen Ticheler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Here are some photos from the OSGeo Hacking event we had in Bolsena. I very
>> much enjoyed it and think we'll repeat this next year! Others that made
>> pictures, please also add them!
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeo/pool/
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Jeroen
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some photos from Bolsena

[Mateusz Łoskot]

Martin Landa pisze:

Hi,

some of my photos available at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157605789939571/


Martin,

If you don't mind, please add your photos to the pool of OSGeo Group.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some photos from Bolsena

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

Pics are boring. You get a much better idea with a video:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wrZrK64UIw
 
Regards,
 
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Prodevelop SL, Valencia (España)
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Enviado el: mar 24/06/2008 13:53
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Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some photos from Bolsena



Martin Landa pisze:
> Hi,
>
> some of my photos available at
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157605789939571/

Martin,

If you don't mind, please add your photos to the pool of OSGeo Group.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Arnulf Christl]

Bjorn Sandvik wrote:


Thanks for your feedback.

I'll consider the pros and cons between different licenses. I don't have 
commercial interests,

but I would like the project to be sustainable.

I've changed my mind about using SourceForge, - I agree that Google Code 
is more suitable.


Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a location within an country that falls under their export ban list. Unfortunately the same applies to SourceForge. 

Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge effectively prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are citizen of a nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies to people only visiting such countries. 

Best regards, 
Arnulf. 


Regards,
Bjørn


Christopher Schmidt wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01:25AM +0100, Bjorn Sandvik wrote:
 
My plan is to release TME as an open source project under a GNU GPL 
license v3, and use SourceForge as a code repository.



Is there a strong reason behind these choices? These days, I probably
wouldnt' go with either of them, personally.

Looking back, I realize that the GPL license may well be related to the
fact that Ext itself is GPL licensed. I wrote the rest of this before I
thought of that, but I think it's valuable as a general statement for
users thinking of licensing Javascript libraries anyway. It might still
make sense, if the restriction is Ext based, the make it clear that your
library itself is licensed as $permissive_license, and combining it with
Ext makes it GPL licensed: This way, if someone were to buy an Ext
commercial license, they could still use it under more permissive terms.

If you are a commercial entity looking to make money with open source,
the GPL may well be a very good choice. Essentially, you are the only
organization that can make improvements to the code that other people
can't have -- as the copyright owner, the license doesn't apply to the
work you do. (Once you have a project built with lots of poeple's
copyright, that does change, but.) However, if your goal is to create a
toolset which is widely used, and you are less concerned about
maximizing profit from your actions, it seems possible that a less
restrictive license might make sense. (An example of a successful GPL
licensed project is ExtJS itself.)

For example, one of the things that OpenLayers users have commonly
requested is the ability to do thematic styling in the way you describe
for their data: The coveted "SLD editor" is a concept that has been
tossed around, literally for years. The Ext browser work that you have
done would form a perfectly suitable base -- but OpenLayers is BSD
licensed, and extensions to it are strongly encouraged to be BSD
licensed as well, for reusability.

As a result, if the work that you are doing were to be GPL licensed,
then I would not feel comfortable encouraging a user to use your code.

Part of this problem is actually specific to browsers, imho: the use of
the GPL for Javascript software is 'somewhat weird': there are few
definitions of where the lines are drawn in Javascript. (The Linux
Kernel doesn't 'pollute' complied code that runs on that platform, but
where does the line get drawn for Javascript libraries?) I'll admit that
my dislike of GPL is strong enough that I have spent much less time
investigating it; it's possible these questions are easy to answer, 
but I don't know.


Sourceforge bothers me, to some extent, but I think this might be mostly
historical; I tend to prefer Google Code these days (though, see recent
thread about Google Code blocking exports as per US Law, which 
sourceforge

may not do). I don't know if there's any real reason to use one over the
other; certainly, startup cost with Google Code was low, and you even
get a built in wiki.

Regards,
  


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Some photos from Bolsena

[Martin Landa]

Czesc Mateusz,

2008/6/24 Mateusz Łoskot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Martin Landa pisze:
> If you don't mind, please add your photos to the pool of OSGeo Group.

already done...

Martin

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Christopher Schmidt]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:17PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote:
> Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export 
> Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a location 
> within an country that falls under their export ban list. Unfortunately the 
> same applies to SourceForge. 
> Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge effectively 
> prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are citizen of a 
> nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies to 
> people only visiting such countries. 

Is there some other easy option here? Hosting your own is fscking
painful, OSGeo doesn't offer hosting for small projects like this, and I
expect anyone else who is big enough to make solving this problem easy
likely isn't in a position to be much more open/unrestricted, because
they're governed by the same laws.

It seems to me like an option is just to make the code available on
google code, and also republish it in another easily-googled place.
Then, if it becomes an issue that is blocking contributors, put the
effort into doing something about it -- setting up an SVN mirror, or
something similar, to allow those users to contribute.

In general, OpenLayers has not seen major contributions from
technology export-embargoed countries. (Our server doesn't have
technical restrictions blocking export to these countries.) Although it
is a concern -- and certainly, it's unfortunate because it is a vicious
cycle where contributors are typically blocked, so they don't even
bother kind of thing -- I think that the relative importance of this
to, say,  a website being down an hour a week or something like that is
relatively low (and if you're maintaining it yourself, you'll always
have downtime when things break).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Chris Puttick]

- "Christopher Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:17PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote:
> > Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export
> 
> > Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a
> location 
> > within an country that falls under their export ban list.
> Unfortunately the 
> > same applies to SourceForge. 
> > Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge
> effectively 
> > prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are
> citizen of a 
> > nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies
> to 
> > people only visiting such countries. 
> 
> Is there some other easy option here? Hosting your own is fscking
> painful, OSGeo doesn't offer hosting for small projects like this, and
> I
> expect anyone else who is big enough to make solving this problem
> easy
> likely isn't in a position to be much more open/unrestricted, because
> they're governed by the same laws.
> 

Launchpad?

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Gavin Fleming]

A few more hosting options are listed here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=344490 

Gavin 
 


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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:17PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote:
> Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export 
> Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a location 
> within an country that falls under their export ban list. Unfortunately the 
> same applies to SourceForge. 
> Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge effectively 
> prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are citizen of a 
> nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies to 
> people only visiting such countries. 

Is there some other easy option here? Hosting your own is fscking
painful, OSGeo doesn't offer hosting for small projects like this, and I
expect anyone else who is big enough to make solving this problem easy
likely isn't in a position to be much more open/unrestricted, because
they're governed by the same laws.

It seems to me like an option is just to make the code available on
google code, and also republish it in another easily-googled place.
Then, if it becomes an issue that is blocking contributors, put the
effort into doing something about it -- setting up an SVN mirror, or
something similar, to allow those users to contribute.

In general, OpenLayers has not seen major contributions from
technology export-embargoed countries. (Our server doesn't have
technical restrictions blocking export to these countries.) Although it
is a concern -- and certainly, it's unfortunate because it is a vicious
cycle where contributors are typically blocked, so they don't even
bother kind of thing -- I think that the relative importance of this
to, say,  a website being down an hour a week or something like that is
relatively low (and if you're maintaining it yourself, you'll always
have downtime when things break).

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[OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[andrea antonello]

Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
registering at Foss4g.

I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
full discount?).
Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
reviewers, but got no answer.

Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this problem.
So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback please?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Jacolin Yves]

Le Tuesday 24 June 2008 15:45:31 andrea antonello, vous avez écrit :
> Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
> registering at Foss4g.
>
> I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
> should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
> full discount?).
> Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
> subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
> the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
> send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
> Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
> understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
> reviewers, but got no answer.
>
> Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this
> problem. So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback
> please?
>
> Thanks,
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Hi Andrea,

I sent my confirmation after the email with the header and I am waiting as 
well. I hope all will be ok and don't pay the full payment :/

Well, I even don't know where to pay :/

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[guillaume . sueur]

Actually, I have a similar problem. after subscription and form submission, I 
have had no more news. Accomodation booking with conference pack will end by 
the 27th,  and I still don't have the login to proceed to booking and payment.

Guillaume

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De: "andrea antonello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24.06.2008 15:45

Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
registering at Foss4g.

I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
full discount?).
Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
reviewers, but got no answer.

Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this problem.
So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback please?

Thanks,
Andrea
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Vasile Craciunescu]

I'm in the same situation...

-Vasile

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, I have a similar problem. after subscription and form submission, I 
have had no more news. Accomodation booking with conference pack will end by 
the 27th,  and I still don't have the login to proceed to booking and payment.

Guillaume

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De: "andrea antonello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24.06.2008 15:45

Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
registering at Foss4g.

I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
full discount?).
Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
reviewers, but got no answer.

Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this problem.
So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback please?

Thanks,
Andrea
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas]

2008/6/24 Christopher Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:17PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote:
>> Just as a side note: Google has been overly submissive to US Export
>> Regulations and rejects requests from IPs that can be traced to a location
>> within an country that falls under their export ban list. Unfortunately the
>> same applies to SourceForge.
>> Thus publishing your project through Google Code or SourceForge effectively
>> prevents interested folks from joining the project if they are citizen of a
>> nation that falls under the US Export Regulations. This also applies to
>> people only visiting such countries.
>
> Is there some other easy option here? Hosting your own is fscking
> painful, OSGeo doesn't offer hosting for small projects like this, and I
> expect anyone else who is big enough to make solving this problem easy
> likely isn't in a position to be much more open/unrestricted, because
> they're governed by the same laws.
>
> It seems to me like an option is just to make the code available on
> google code, and also republish it in another easily-googled place.
> Then, if it becomes an issue that is blocking contributors, put the
> effort into doing something about it -- setting up an SVN mirror, or
> something similar, to allow those users to contribute.
>
> In general, OpenLayers has not seen major contributions from
> technology export-embargoed countries. (Our server doesn't have
> technical restrictions blocking export to these countries.) Although it
> is a concern -- and certainly, it's unfortunate because it is a vicious
> cycle where contributors are typically blocked, so they don't even
> bother kind of thing -- I think that the relative importance of this
> to, say,  a website being down an hour a week or something like that is
> relatively low (and if you're maintaining it yourself, you'll always
> have downtime when things break).
>
> Regards,

I'm right now moving from GoogleCode (the export laws, you know) to
JavaHispano[0] with some problems but enough by far for my
necessities.

There is also gna![1], and SEXTANTE[2] has moved to OSOR[3] a new
forge for european public administration free software projects.

I tested some time ago the knowledgeforge[4] but it didn't worked really well :S

Cheers

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[1]https://gna.org/
[2]http://sextantegis.com/en/index.htm
[3]https://forge.osor.eu/projects/sextante/
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thematic Mapping Engine as Open Source?

[Lester Caine]

Chris Puttick wrote:

- "Lester Caine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Christopher Schmidt wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:40:41PM +0200, Paolo Cavallini wrote:

Bjorn Sandvik ha scritto:


I'll consider the pros and cons between different licenses. I

don't have

commercial interests,
but I would like the project to be sustainable.

I've changed my mind about using SourceForge, - I agree that

Google Code

is more suitable.

Please note:
- GPL is more widely used

Than what?

In any case, GPL is designed to prevent use of the software in a
specific set of contexts. I maintain my position that for

Javascript

Libraries, the GPL is confusing at best, and tends to hurt uptake of
an open source project, in my experience. (ExtJS is a strong

counter

example of a JS library which is GPL licensed -- but they are not

an
open source project, just open source code.) 


The GPL is a fine license for many things, I just think that open

souce

Javascript Libraries isn't among them.

GPL is appropriate if you do not want other people to make money out
of your 
effort. LGPL may be more appropriate for Libraries but only after
reading 
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html



Surely you mean people not making money out of selling your efforts without 
making a contribution back? Plenty of people make money from selling services 
around GPL software without breaching the licence and I don't think many of 
those developing GPL software begrudge that.


No I was referring to instances where commercial companies take source code 
and data and market it as their own work. There are a few examples where open 
source data has been 'stolen' legally and the courts have upheld no wrong 
doing, so some licence with a few teeth is appropriate ;)


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Jeroen Ticheler]

Hi Andrea,
I had the same thing :-) Had to fill out the form while I also  
registered online. I guess the form is the formal sealing of the deal  
although I was also confused a bit. You still need to register for  
other workshops you want to attend and for the gala dinner.

Ciao,
Jeroen

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote:


Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
registering at Foss4g.

I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
full discount?).
Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
reviewers, but got no answer.

Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this  
problem.
So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback  
please?


Thanks,
Andrea
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Gavin Fleming]

As the Hitchhikers' Guide states, Don't Panic!
 
Some clarification of the process is in order, please bear with us...
 
1) Register on the conference website. i.e. choose a conference package. Then 
hang back for a bit. 
2) The conference organisers, PeopleSA, are notified and they send you a form.
3) You fill in the form and send it back. It specifies your choices for 
accommodation, gala dinner, etc. that could not be captured on the conference 
website.
4) PeopleSA then send you an invoice for registration, accommodation (if you 
choose from their offerings), gala dinner, etc. with a reference code.
5) You then proceed to pay. If by credit card, then here, where you will be 
asked for the reference code on your invoice: 
http://www.psaevents.co.za/Events/Foss4g/registration.aspx. 
 
Early birds: You are being asked to send your forms back urgently so you can 
get an invoice in short order. The hurry now is to secure accommodation as part 
of the conference block booking. The hold on that is released this week. There 
is nothing we can do about that. Cape Town is really bustling that time of year 
and hotels won't keep blocks on hold any longer. There is every likelihood that 
rooms at those hotels will still be available after the hold is lifted and they 
WILL be at the conference rate. So, try to fill in your form and pay this week 
as requested. But if you don't manage, you'll most likely still get your hotel 
and if you pay within a month of invoice, you'll STILL GET YOUR EARLY BIRD 
REGISTRATION RATE.
 
Hope that helps
 
Gavin Fleming 
FOSS4G2008 conference chair
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler
Sent: Tue 2008/06/24 05:06 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g



Hi Andrea,
I had the same thing :-) Had to fill out the form while I also 
registered online. I guess the form is the formal sealing of the deal 
although I was also confused a bit. You still need to register for 
other workshops you want to attend and for the gala dinner.
Ciao,
Jeroen

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote:

> Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
> registering at Foss4g.
>
> I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
> should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
> full discount?).
> Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
> subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
> the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
> send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
> Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
> understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
> reviewers, but got no answer.
>
> Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this 
> problem.
> So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback 
> please?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrea
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g

[Guillaume Sueur]

It does a lot Gavin thank you for clarification.
By the way, I've had an email yesterday from People SA saying everything 
was ok and they just needed a little time to treat the +200 early bird 
registers.


Regards

Guillaume

Gavin Fleming a écrit :

As the Hitchhikers' Guide states, Don't Panic!
 
Some clarification of the process is in order, please bear with us...
 
1) Register on the conference website. i.e. choose a conference package. Then hang back for a bit. 
2) The conference organisers, PeopleSA, are notified and they send you a form.

3) You fill in the form and send it back. It specifies your choices for 
accommodation, gala dinner, etc. that could not be captured on the conference 
website.
4) PeopleSA then send you an invoice for registration, accommodation (if you 
choose from their offerings), gala dinner, etc. with a reference code.
5) You then proceed to pay. If by credit card, then here, where you will be asked for the reference code on your invoice: http://www.psaevents.co.za/Events/Foss4g/registration.aspx. 
 
Early birds: You are being asked to send your forms back urgently so you can get an invoice in short order. The hurry now is to secure accommodation as part of the conference block booking. The hold on that is released this week. There is nothing we can do about that. Cape Town is really bustling that time of year and hotels won't keep blocks on hold any longer. There is every likelihood that rooms at those hotels will still be available after the hold is lifted and they WILL be at the conference rate. So, try to fill in your form and pay this week as requested. But if you don't manage, you'll most likely still get your hotel and if you pay within a month of invoice, you'll STILL GET YOUR EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION RATE.
 
Hope that helps
 
Gavin Fleming 
FOSS4G2008 conference chair
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler
Sent: Tue 2008/06/24 05:06 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] registration at foss4g



Hi Andrea,
I had the same thing :-) Had to fill out the form while I also 
registered online. I guess the form is the formal sealing of the deal 
although I was also confused a bit. You still need to register for 
other workshops you want to attend and for the gala dinner.

Ciao,
Jeroen

On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:45 PM, andrea antonello wrote:


Hi, that will sound strange, but indeed I have some problems in
registering at Foss4g.

I did my registration process with a workshop presenter code, which
should mean I have full discount (do both workshop predenters have
full discount?).
Well, the registration ended up in... nothing. No "great, you
subscribed" or similar. Now, after some time, this email comes (ok,
the header tells me they had some problems) in which I am asked to
send a fax and do my payment by means of today to get the early bird.
Since one of the presenters probably will have to pay, I tried to
understand from the website, tried to contact organisers and
reviewers, but got no answer.

Since no one else is bothering, I assume I'm the only one with this 
problem.
So could someone with clear ideas in mind give me some feedback 
please?


Thanks,
Andrea
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