Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Right, I don't disagree with this. I am just saying that there are a lot 
of good ideas and one man projects that will never have a large 
community to support them because of marketing, 
communications,visibility issues, not technical reasons, but that 
doesn't mean we should throw the code away. There are lots of open 
source projects that have a contrib directory as a place to collect 
unsupported contribution that other people might find useful. If enough 
people get exposed to them then a few might evolve into a full blow 
project and community. But if they never have an opportunity to have 
some visibility then the go sight unseen whether they gems or junk. I am 
not advocating making all these into projects, just that we consider 
some kind of project that does nothing more than collect OpenSource code 
that works with existing OSGeo project code or might be a valid OSGeo 
project if it were to grow and that that code has some minimal 
requirements to be included in contrib that the submitter must meet. The 
PSC for "contrib" would rule on appropriateness of a contribution and 
that it meets minimal requirements and might determine what those 
minimal requirements are.


Anyway seems like this would be valuable, but if no one else cares I'm 
fine with that, too.


-Steve

It is likely that most of this code would never go anywhere but
Cameron Shorter wrote:
For young projects that are not ready for incubation we have previously 
set up:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs

For the rest of this topic, I think we should go back to the principles 
of OSGeo and what makes it effective.


OSGeo (like Ubuntu) promotes the "best of breed" GeoFOSS software. It 
helps focus users, and developers behind the best products, rather than 
splitting energy thinly across many products.


And one of the key components for a successful project is to have a 
healthy community behind it so that it will continue when the key 
sponsor moves on. I don't think a meta project of unrelated small 
projects provides such a community because the developers from one small 
project won't necessarily be interested or skilled in the other projects.


The Openlayers/Geotools model of sponsoring smaller project does work 
because there (hopefully) should be the interest and skill sharing 
between the projects.


Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
An other thought on this might be a some kind of OSGeo "contrib" 
project that is more focused on collecting projects likes Bob's into a 
common repository with the hope that making these public might allow 
some of them to spin-off into full blown OSGeo projects if there is 
enough interest and community need for it.


This would not give the code OSGeo stamp of approval, but would just 
be a holding place for potentially interesting code related to other 
OSGeo projects that people might want to be able access and helps to 
prevent potential gems from getting lost.


My guess is that it would still need some kind of PSC to decide what 
is the gate to let things in and to make sure that the basic minimal 
stuff required for entrance is done and to encourge others to pick and 
run with ideas and spin-offs of the code being held. Something like 
this would need to minimally have any code contributed assign its 
copyright to OSGeo and state that it was infringement free or 
something like that.


Something to think about.

-Steve W

Bob Basques wrote:


Jody,
 
I was thinking about a bit more separation in functionality than you 
describe, but it seems like the same process could work.
 
I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to let smaller projects in the 
door, and let the mainstay project leaders decide if the smaller 
projects have enough merit to nurture further or not.
 
I have  a few different things I've put together that use MapServer 
as a service, but they are all seemingly small project.  As an 
example, I have a Raster distribution service based on MapServer that 
we use to populate our engineering AutoCAD sessions, it's really just 
some specialized scripting in the AutoCAD instance, but I'm sure 
there are folks out there that would re-use if I put it out as a 
project.  I would just barely have the time to put together a basic 
how-to for something like this and publish it, but it wouldn't get 
much in the way of support focus because of my own time constraints.  
I have something similar for Google ion the Works, as well as 
Sketchup sessions.  These smaller projects have all had great success 
here internally, and are all built as standalone services so they can 
be mixed and matched as the business needs require.
 
Some might argue that they are all one thing, while other might want 
them to remain separated.  Anyway, just some more thoughts on the 
subject.
 
bobb
 



 >>> Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new
talent this way.

The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers
to co

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Cameron Shorter
For young projects that are not ready for incubation we have previously 
set up:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs

For the rest of this topic, I think we should go back to the principles 
of OSGeo and what makes it effective.


OSGeo (like Ubuntu) promotes the "best of breed" GeoFOSS software. It 
helps focus users, and developers behind the best products, rather than 
splitting energy thinly across many products.


And one of the key components for a successful project is to have a 
healthy community behind it so that it will continue when the key 
sponsor moves on. I don't think a meta project of unrelated small 
projects provides such a community because the developers from one small 
project won't necessarily be interested or skilled in the other projects.


The Openlayers/Geotools model of sponsoring smaller project does work 
because there (hopefully) should be the interest and skill sharing 
between the projects.


Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
An other thought on this might be a some kind of OSGeo "contrib" 
project that is more focused on collecting projects likes Bob's into a 
common repository with the hope that making these public might allow 
some of them to spin-off into full blown OSGeo projects if there is 
enough interest and community need for it.


This would not give the code OSGeo stamp of approval, but would just 
be a holding place for potentially interesting code related to other 
OSGeo projects that people might want to be able access and helps to 
prevent potential gems from getting lost.


My guess is that it would still need some kind of PSC to decide what 
is the gate to let things in and to make sure that the basic minimal 
stuff required for entrance is done and to encourge others to pick and 
run with ideas and spin-offs of the code being held. Something like 
this would need to minimally have any code contributed assign its 
copyright to OSGeo and state that it was infringement free or 
something like that.


Something to think about.

-Steve W

Bob Basques wrote:


Jody,
 
I was thinking about a bit more separation in functionality than you 
describe, but it seems like the same process could work.
 
I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to let smaller projects in the 
door, and let the mainstay project leaders decide if the smaller 
projects have enough merit to nurture further or not.
 
I have  a few different things I've put together that use MapServer 
as a service, but they are all seemingly small project.  As an 
example, I have a Raster distribution service based on MapServer that 
we use to populate our engineering AutoCAD sessions, it's really just 
some specialized scripting in the AutoCAD instance, but I'm sure 
there are folks out there that would re-use if I put it out as a 
project.  I would just barely have the time to put together a basic 
how-to for something like this and publish it, but it wouldn't get 
much in the way of support focus because of my own time constraints.  
I have something similar for Google ion the Works, as well as 
Sketchup sessions.  These smaller projects have all had great success 
here internally, and are all built as standalone services so they can 
be mixed and matched as the business needs require.
 
Some might argue that they are all one thing, while other might want 
them to remain separated.  Anyway, just some more thoughts on the 
subject.
 
bobb
 



 >>> Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new
talent this way.

The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers
to come online and start an "unsupported" module with the support of the
community. Each module in GeoTools is an entire project (often making
use of the same interfaces and so forth).  When a module meets the QA
requirements it can be included in the GeoTools download for the general
public.

Is this what you had in mind?

I understand that some something similar to Jakarta is often requested
from the OSGeo foundation. Thus far the incubation committee has been
really focused on getting existing projects through our incubation
process (and defining what the expectations are for such projects).

Jody

Bob Basques wrote:
 > All,
 > I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects
 > into the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I
 > perceive it now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this
 > point, but . . .
 >  > What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a
 > smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might 
only be

 > one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super"
 > project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for
 > it to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could
 > possibly be a criteria where some of the established vetting is
 > handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add
 > their credentials to the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Basques
Frank,
 
Your last point would seem to work both ways.  I see the idea as a way of 
solidifying project integration aspects vs making them into the gooey stuff 
inside of the Shell.  :c)
 
bobb
 


>>> Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
cc:ed to incubator, but please reply to the discuss list...

Bob Basques wrote:
> All,
>  
> I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects into 
> the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I perceive it 
> now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this point, but . . .
>  
> What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a 
> smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be 
> one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" 
> project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for it 
> to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could possibly be 
> a criteria where some of the established vetting is handled via a 
> voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add their credentials 
> to the mix over time.
>  
> Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there 
> might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?

Bob,

Something like this approach has been taken for the MetaCRS project.

   http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MetaCRS 

The MetaCRS effort is an attempt to have a single PSC run a sort of
federation of related projects.  In this case the coordinating theme
is coordinate systems (reprojection, dictionaries, datum shifting,
CRS description translation).  But the components (CS-Map, PROJ.4,
proj4js, and libgeotiff) are initially fairly independent activities with
relatively few shared developers or direct cooperation.

In the case of MetaCRS there is an intent for them to grow somewhat
closer, in particular in sharing coordinate system dictionaries.

Another approach would be for a smaller project to place itself under
the administration of an existing official project that is somewhat related.

For instance, I could imagine a web framework like Chameleon that is MapServer
oriented, might ask to be considered part of the MapServer project, and
subject to it's PSC.   I had contemplated doing this with libgeotiff within
the GDAL project for a while, for instance.

We do need to be careful, I think, that we aren't just creating "shells"
with no concept of community in order to get around the incubation process
which is aimed at developing genuine well functioning communities around
projects before giving them an OSGeo stamp of approval.

Best regards,
-- 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
An other thought on this might be a some kind of OSGeo "contrib" project 
that is more focused on collecting projects likes Bob's into a common 
repository with the hope that making these public might allow some of 
them to spin-off into full blown OSGeo projects if there is enough 
interest and community need for it.


This would not give the code OSGeo stamp of approval, but would just be 
a holding place for potentially interesting code related to other OSGeo 
projects that people might want to be able access and helps to prevent 
potential gems from getting lost.


My guess is that it would still need some kind of PSC to decide what is 
the gate to let things in and to make sure that the basic minimal stuff 
required for entrance is done and to encourge others to pick and run 
with ideas and spin-offs of the code being held. Something like this 
would need to minimally have any code contributed assign its copyright 
to OSGeo and state that it was infringement free or something like that.


Something to think about.

-Steve W

Bob Basques wrote:


Jody,
 
I was thinking about a bit more separation in functionality than you 
describe, but it seems like the same process could work.
 
I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to let smaller projects in the 
door, and let the mainstay project leaders decide if the smaller 
projects have enough merit to nurture further or not.
 
I have  a few different things I've put together that use MapServer as a 
service, but they are all seemingly small project.  As an example, I 
have a Raster distribution service based on MapServer that we use to 
populate our engineering AutoCAD sessions, it's really just some 
specialized scripting in the AutoCAD instance, but I'm sure there are 
folks out there that would re-use if I put it out as a project.  I would 
just barely have the time to put together a basic how-to for something 
like this and publish it, but it wouldn't get much in the way of support 
focus because of my own time constraints.  I have something similar for 
Google ion the Works, as well as Sketchup sessions.  These smaller 
projects have all had great success here internally, and are all built 
as standalone services so they can be mixed and matched as the business 
needs require.
 
Some might argue that they are all one thing, while other might want 
them to remain separated.  Anyway, just some more thoughts on the subject.
 
bobb
 



 >>> Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new
talent this way.

The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers
to come online and start an "unsupported" module with the support of the
community. Each module in GeoTools is an entire project (often making
use of the same interfaces and so forth).  When a module meets the QA
requirements it can be included in the GeoTools download for the general
public.

Is this what you had in mind?

I understand that some something similar to Jakarta is often requested
from the OSGeo foundation. Thus far the incubation committee has been
really focused on getting existing projects through our incubation
process (and defining what the expectations are for such projects).

Jody

Bob Basques wrote:
 > All,
 > I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects
 > into the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I
 > perceive it now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this
 > point, but . . .
 > 
 > What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a

 > smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be
 > one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super"
 > project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for
 > it to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could
 > possibly be a criteria where some of the established vetting is
 > handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add
 > their credentials to the mix over time.
 > 
 > Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there

 > might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?
 > 
 > bobb
 > 
 > 
 > 

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Basques
Jody,
 
I was thinking about a bit more separation in functionality than you describe, 
but it seems like the same process could work.
 
I guess I'm trying to figure out a way to let smaller projects in the door, and 
let the mainstay project leaders decide if the smaller projects have enough 
merit to nurture further or not.
 
I have  a few different things I've put together that use MapServer as a 
service, but they are all seemingly small project.  As an example, I have a 
Raster distribution service based on MapServer that we use to populate our 
engineering AutoCAD sessions, it's really just some specialized scripting in 
the AutoCAD instance, but I'm sure there are folks out there that would re-use 
if I put it out as a project.  I would just barely have the time to put 
together a basic how-to for something like this and publish it, but it wouldn't 
get much in the way of support focus because of my own time constraints.  I 
have something similar for Google ion the Works, as well as Sketchup sessions.  
These smaller projects have all had great success here internally, and are all 
built as standalone services so they can be mixed and matched as the business 
needs require.
 
Some might argue that they are all one thing, while other might want them to 
remain separated.  Anyway, just some more thoughts on the subject.
 
bobb
 


>>> Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new 
talent this way.

The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers 
to come online and start an "unsupported" module with the support of the 
community. Each module in GeoTools is an entire project (often making 
use of the same interfaces and so forth).  When a module meets the QA 
requirements it can be included in the GeoTools download for the general 
public.

Is this what you had in mind?

I understand that some something similar to Jakarta is often requested 
from the OSGeo foundation. Thus far the incubation committee has been 
really focused on getting existing projects through our incubation 
process (and defining what the expectations are for such projects).

Jody

Bob Basques wrote:
> All,
> I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects 
> into the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I 
> perceive it now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this 
> point, but . . .
>  
> What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a 
> smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be 
> one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" 
> project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for 
> it to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could 
> possibly be a criteria where some of the established vetting is 
> handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add 
> their credentials to the mix over time.
>  
> Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there 
> might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?
>  
> bobb
>  
>  
> 
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Erik Uzureau
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Jody Garnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new
> talent this way.
>
> The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers to
> come online and start an "unsupported" module with the support of the
> community. Each module in GeoTools is an entire project (often making use of
> the same interfaces and so forth).  When a module meets the QA requirements
> it can be included in the GeoTools download for the general public.
>

For the record, OpenLayers has *finally* taken steps towards following
this model as well with the advent of our /addins directory... it is a
place where OpenLayers developers can put code that they've written
and would like to share with the community... but which doesn't
necessarily belong in the core OL library. For now the involvement of
the OL PSC is pretty limited and informal... but the creation of a new
/addin does require a soft vote from the PSC in order to be
established... and with that comes a [n at least superficial] code
review and some guidance.

With the upcoming release of OpenLayers 2.7, we will be formally
announcing two new /addins... with the hopes that this will inspire
developers out there to contribute more.

erik

> Is this what you had in mind?
>
> I understand that some something similar to Jakarta is often requested from
> the OSGeo foundation. Thus far the incubation committee has been really
> focused on getting existing projects through our incubation process (and
> defining what the expectations are for such projects).
>
> Jody
>
> Bob Basques wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects into
>> the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I perceive it
>> now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this point, but . . .
>>  What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a smaller
>> project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be one, two or
>> three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" project basically
>> vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for it to get some sort of
>> OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could possibly be a criteria where some of
>> the established vetting is handled via a voucher system, where other "Super"
>> projects can add their credentials to the mix over time.
>>  Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there might
>> be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?
>>  bobb
>>   
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Jody Garnett
Hi Bob; you will find that a few of the open source projects nurture new 
talent this way.


The GeoTools library has the facilities in place to allow new developers 
to come online and start an "unsupported" module with the support of the 
community. Each module in GeoTools is an entire project (often making 
use of the same interfaces and so forth).  When a module meets the QA 
requirements it can be included in the GeoTools download for the general 
public.


Is this what you had in mind?

I understand that some something similar to Jakarta is often requested 
from the OSGeo foundation. Thus far the incubation committee has been 
really focused on getting existing projects through our incubation 
process (and defining what the expectations are for such projects).


Jody

Bob Basques wrote:

All,
I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects 
into the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I 
perceive it now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this 
point, but . . .
 
What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a 
smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be 
one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" 
project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for 
it to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could 
possibly be a criteria where some of the established vetting is 
handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add 
their credentials to the mix over time.
 
Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there 
might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?
 
bobb
 
 



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Dave McIlhagga
This is an interesting idea. I think it would have to be a case where  
an existing OSGeo project (I think what you're calling the "Super"  
project) expects this smaller project to have an important future as a  
viable OSGeo project. The PSC of the sponsoring project (say  
Mapserver, Mapguide or OpenLayers) would have to be willing to invest  
some time in nurturing this project towards the start of an incubation  
process.


I think we would want to make it clear however that these smaller  
projects are not OSGeo projects -- as this would dilute the value of  
projects that have graduated incubation and are recognized as strong  
healthy projects. This is one of the most important roles for OSGeo --  
to help provide legitimacy to projects for those outside looking into  
the OSGeo domain.


There have been a few projects that have already started down this  
path -- but there really isn't a lot of structure in place to define  
how this would be done. It might be interesting to have for the future  
though.


Dave




On 12-Sep-08, at 11:41 AM, Bob Basques wrote:


All,

I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects  
into the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I  
perceive it now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at  
this point, but . . .


What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a  
smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only  
be one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the  
"Super" project basically vouches for the smaller project in some  
fashion for it to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This  
could possibly be a criteria where some of the established vetting  
is handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" projects can  
add their credentials to the mix over time.


Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there  
might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?


bobb


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Frank Warmerdam

cc:ed to incubator, but please reply to the discuss list...

Bob Basques wrote:

All,
 
I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects into 
the system without the requirements of going full bore (as I perceive it 
now)  I'm not really targeting any project per se at this point, but . . .
 
What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a 
smaller project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be 
one, two or three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" 
project basically vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for it 
to get some sort of OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could possibly be 
a criteria where some of the established vetting is handled via a 
voucher system, where other "Super" projects can add their credentials 
to the mix over time.
 
Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there 
might be something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?


Bob,

Something like this approach has been taken for the MetaCRS project.

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MetaCRS

The MetaCRS effort is an attempt to have a single PSC run a sort of
federation of related projects.  In this case the coordinating theme
is coordinate systems (reprojection, dictionaries, datum shifting,
CRS description translation).  But the components (CS-Map, PROJ.4,
proj4js, and libgeotiff) are initially fairly independent activities with
relatively few shared developers or direct cooperation.

In the case of MetaCRS there is an intent for them to grow somewhat
closer, in particular in sharing coordinate system dictionaries.

Another approach would be for a smaller project to place itself under
the administration of an existing official project that is somewhat related.

For instance, I could imagine a web framework like Chameleon that is MapServer
oriented, might ask to be considered part of the MapServer project, and
subject to it's PSC.   I had contemplated doing this with libgeotiff within
the GDAL project for a while, for instance.

We do need to be careful, I think, that we aren't just creating "shells"
with no concept of community in order to get around the incubation process
which is aimed at developing genuine well functioning communities around
projects before giving them an OSGeo stamp of approval.

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: [OSGeo-Standards] OSGeo-OGC MOU

2008-09-12 Thread Landon Blake
My thanks go to Arnulf.

Landon a

-Original Message-
From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:47 AM
To: Landon Blake
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] OSGeo-OGC MOU

Landon Blake wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> I think this is really important work, and I appreciate your efforts
in
> this area.

Landon,

I would note that the bulk of the advocacy leading to this was done
by Arnulf from within OGC.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Incubator Sponsor idea.

2008-09-12 Thread Bob Basques
All,
 
I have a question about a possible way to get some smaller projects into the 
system without the requirements of going full bore (as I perceive it now)  I'm 
not really targeting any project per se at this point, but . . .
 
What about have a "Super" project that can act as a sponsor for a smaller 
project.  When I say smaller, I mean where there might only be one, two or 
three developers.  The end result being that the "Super" project basically 
vouches for the smaller project in some fashion for it to get some sort of 
OSGEO stamp applied to it.   This could possibly be a criteria where some of 
the established vetting is handled via a voucher system, where other "Super" 
projects can add their credentials to the mix over time.
 
Just a thought, still a little muddled too, but it seems like there might be 
something workable in the concept.  Any other thoughts?
 
bobb
 
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD

2008-09-12 Thread Cameron Shorter
We had a very productive IRC discussion today and have a plan to merge 
existing Live CD efforts into one for a FOSS4G 2008 release (in 2 weeks).


Details are being collated here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc

Logs of the discussion here:
http://logs.qgis.org/osgeo/%23osgeo.2008-09-11.log

Future discussion will happen on the debian gis email list:

http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-general


Debian GIS list,
I hope you don't mind us gate crashing your list.
I'm hoping our LiveCD discussion (based on xubuntu) will be helpful for 
members of this list too.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Projects at FOSS4G

2008-09-12 Thread Markus Neteler
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm curious about how many different projects (OSGeo and others) will be
> represented at FOSS4G by speakers, workshops, etc. Rather than wade through
> the presentation listing, I thought I'd be lazy and ask here.
>
> If you know that your project(s) are going to be represented there, could
> you drop me a note?  Just let me know in general how many folks from it will
> be there.  If there are enough people around we could arrange times for
> people to "meet your project" at the OSGeo booth.

Tyler,


concerning GRASS GIS, there are a series of speakers (the conf. program
reports > 10 talks) and two (J)GRASS related workshops.

I'll be there.

> It would also help to know if your project has plans to bring flyers or
> brochures to hand out at the booth.  The OSGeo Marketing Committee is
> arranging to have some overview brochures.
>
> Also, all projects and committees are welcome to do a brief talk at the
> Annual General Meeting.[1]  It had great turnout last year and was very
> informative!  Just sign up if you want to talk or add an item to the list
> for debate/discussion during the meeting.

If there is interest, I can present latest development new in the AGM.

best
markus
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