Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Hosting Solutions
There are LOTS of hosting companies out there, ranging from Amazon and Google cloud services (as well as various other smaller vendors), folks who sell virtual slices of machines, generic hosting on a shared machine, dedicated servers, rack space for your own hardware, and various combinations. Cloud solutions give you a lot of flexibility, but you have cost exposure based on usage. The low-end shared hosting solutions are reliable (redundant hardware, backup, etc.), but you're generally don't have root access and you'll have trouble installing your stuff. Personally, I wouldn't adequate performance from a visualized or low-cost shared solution (hundreds of users per machine). Which leads to two main options: i. controlled sharing (e.g., a zone on a shared machine, where there are limits to how many users on the machine) ii. a dedicated server - be it owned by the provider or leased/provided by you Budget effects your choices a lot: - the $10/month services - be they cloud or commercial, probably don't offer the performance you need, and you'll have trouble installing the software - $50-100/month can get you service from a variety of smaller players who offer unix shell accounts - the cast of characters changes, so some googling and looking at web hosting forums is a good idea - $100-200/month can get you a low-end leased server from quite a few people - again google and web hosting forums are your friend - one interesting option might be the growing number of places that provide dedicated hosting on Mac minis - some let you ship them a pre-configured machine and they stick it on a shelf, others will lease you a machine and keep its software up-to-date - not a bad solution for medium traffic volume - $300/month and up will buy you rackspace, connectivity, access to your hardware, and someone who can monitor and restart your machine if it crashes In all cases, you need to think about backup costs - be it extra hardware or an online backup service. Most providers offer a backup service, but they're not that cheap. You can probably start by looking at rackspace.com - they're pretty reliable and offer a wide range of options, but they're not cheap. You can probably get comparable service for 60% of rackspace's price by doing some serious shopping. As one data point: I maintain two dedicated servers as a holdover from a small web development and hosting business I used to run. These days I primarily support a bunch of medium volume private email lists, along with archives - I expect the traffic volume is similar to hosting a few geodatabases (though cpu load is probably lower - not a lot of database operations). Costs: - 4U of rackspace + 1Mbps of continuous traffic (95th percentile) + monitor/restart sys admin support $300/mo. in a local, industrial strength data center (multiple backbones, redundant power with generator backup, 24/7 staffing and access, etc.) - 2 dedicated servers with lots of RAIDed disk - about $3000 of investment A few scoping questions that might guide your thinking, or allow some of us to steer you in a more specific direction: - what's the general application (internal use, a small number of external customers, a revenue generating commercial service, ...) - how big is your dataset - what kind of traffic volume are you expecting - what kind of reliability do you require - what are your peak load and scaling considerations - what level of sys admin support are you looking for - if you're looking toward eventual dedicated solutions, are you going to maintain your o/s, are you going to need physical access to hardware (note that it's pretty hard to do o/s installs without physical access to the CD slot and the terminal slot) - where are you located - what's your budget Hope this helps, Miles Kumaran Narayanaswamy wrote: No, we are looking for shared as well a dedicated hosting solutions On 2/7/2010 10:12 PM, Kumaran Narayanaswamy wrote: Hello, We are in the process of looking out for a best hosting provider to host the FOSS4G Web applications. Can anyone suggest us the best and affordable hosting solutions to deploy MapServer, GeoServer applications? -- Miles R. Fidelman, Director of Government Programs Traverse Technologies 145 Tremont Street, 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02111 mfidel...@traversetechnologies.com 857-362-8314 www.traversetechnologies.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Hosting Solutions
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kumaran Narayanaswamy kumaran.narayanasw...@kcubeconsulting.com wrote: Hello, We are in the process of looking out for a best hosting provider to host the FOSS4G Web applications. Can anyone suggest us the best and affordable hosting solutions to deploy MapServer, GeoServer applications? I've been very happy with Micro Resources http://spatialserver.com/ -- Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com www.greenwoodmap.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
OSGeo colleagues, I was recently contacted by Ann Deakin, a Geosciences faculty at the State University of New York - Fredonia campus. She is also on the board of directors of the NYS GIS Association and the chair of their education committee. She was asking me about the possibility of offering a webinar to their members (and anyone considering getting into GIS) on open source GIS. This sounded like a really good idea to me, as a possible new (?) way of promoting OSGeo technologies. I'm wondering if anyone has already done this kind of thing? Would any of our knowledge experts out there be willing to do such a webinar? (If so, let me know in what area) If we can get something like this designed, we could either do it first working with Ann and the NYS GIS Association, or perhaps try and scale the webinar up to a larger and more international crowd. Reactions welcome! Charlie Schweik OSGeo education chair attachment: cschweik.vcf___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Hosting Solutions
Richard Greenwood wrote: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kumaran Narayanaswamy kumaran.narayanasw...@kcubeconsulting.com wrote: Hello, We are in the process of looking out for a best hosting provider to host the FOSS4G Web applications. Can anyone suggest us the best and affordable hosting solutions to deploy MapServer, GeoServer applications? I've been very happy with Micro Resources http://spatialserver.com/ Same here for several years now. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G Hosting Solutions
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote: Richard Greenwood wrote: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kumaran Narayanaswamy kumaran.narayanasw...@kcubeconsulting.com wrote: Hello, We are in the process of looking out for a best hosting provider to host the FOSS4G Web applications. Can anyone suggest us the best and affordable hosting solutions to deploy MapServer, GeoServer applications? I've been very happy with Micro Resources http://spatialserver.com/ Same here for several years now. I should note, that's for my personal (non-OSGeo related) services :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Hi Charlie, I would be interested in this. Here is a rundown of the what I have been doing over the last year and a half: In 2008 I thought that training and support for OpenSource GIS was lacking in many ways - especially in resources dedicated to users (and not only developers). At the same time I am running a GIS consulting business (see below) and thought about the opportunities in teaching OS GIS. Thus I started into this by asking questions on GIS email lists to find out what people thought about the idea (background is that there a couple of companies offering OS GIS seminars in the US but those where pretty costly, mostly on-demand and there where (and still are) almost no scheduled training options...). I was encouraged by the feedback from various folks and convinced that there is a demand/need/interest in this and announced 2 free 90 minute webinars about OS web GIS Interoperable Web GIS Solutions with Free and Open Source Geospatial software in the Fall of 2008. The first webinar I announced on 2 general (not OS GIS or vendor specific) GIS mailing lists local to Washington and Oregon State - and within 3 days the 40 free slots where taken. After this webinar was successful I announced another one on Linked-in in the GIS group and again the seminar was full within 2 days (international crowd this time). This encouraged me to start offering a commercial version of the seminars as a 3 day (in person seminar not web) on a regular basis (2-3 times a year)- you may compare website below for more information (I don't want to make this into too much of an advertising here but to give a flavor what was done one can check there). I am very in general interested in education. Regarding OS Geospatial components I am specifically excited about resources that focus on the user perspective (which is lacking). If there is interest I could assist, contribute, cooperate on (or offer) some free webinars for the purposes outlined by Charlie below. Two more notes: CUGOS put on a half day seminar Introduction to Open Source GIS - A Practical Approach (presented by Michael Gerlek, Karsten Vennemann, Aaron Racicot, Dane Springmeyer) at WAURISA 2009 http://www.waurisa.org/conferences/2009/Workshops.html and will offer another one this year Open Source Tools for Spatial Analysis and Geoprocessing on the Desktop (A general introduction and overview about the tools covered in this workshop will be followed by examples illustrating the use of desktop utilities based on the OGR/GDAL2 libraries, PostGIS (the open source spatial database) and gvSIG (a desktop GIS) for spatial analysis and geoprocessing. During the workshop participants can use a live DVD with their own laptop to go along with some of the exercises.) http://www.waurisa.org/conferences/2010/Workshops.html Cheers Karsten Karsten Vennemann Education contact CUGOS (Cascadia chapter OSGEO) www.cugos.org Principal, Terra GIS LTD Seattle, USA www.terragis.net Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:15:00 -0500 From: Charlie Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits? OSGeo colleagues, I was recently contacted by Ann Deakin, a Geosciences faculty at the State University of New York - Fredonia campus. She is also on the board of directors of the NYS GIS Association and the chair of their education committee. She was asking me about the possibility of offering a webinar to their members (and anyone considering getting into GIS) on open source GIS. This sounded like a really good idea to me, as a possible new (?) way of promoting OSGeo technologies. I'm wondering if anyone has already done this kind of thing? Would any of our knowledge experts out there be willing to do such a webinar? (If so, let me know in what area) If we can get something like this designed, we could either do it first working with Ann and the NYS GIS Association, or perhaps try and scale the webinar up to a larger and more international crowd. Reactions welcome! Charlie Schweik OSGeo education chair ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Dear Charlie, the idea sounds intriguing but we should bear in mind the different requirements of the three actors you mentioned in your e-mail, so it would be difficult to find the one size that fits all. Moreover we need to know a bit more an the needs we will try to cover and finally we need the people who would do the job. As I said the idea is interesting so I would interested in participating. Keep us posted (I mean in the discussion list :)) Dimitris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Dimitris Kotzinos wrote: Dear Charlie, the idea sounds intriguing but we should bear in mind the different requirements of the three actors you mentioned in your e-mail, so it would be difficult to find the one size that fits all. Good point, Dimitris. As someone who teaches but also studies the public sector I agree wholeheartedly. If there was sufficient interest, perhaps we could have a series of these, e.g.: OS Geo technologies for high-school teachers - sub topics here OS Geo technologies for local governments - sub topics here At the same time, seminars on various technologies could, potentially, be somewhat generic. Moreover we need to know a bit more an the needs we will try to cover and finally we need the people who would do the job. As I said the idea is interesting so I would interested in participating. I've had two responses so far from people possibly interested in participating in this. If there are others who might be interested in presenting a topic, let me know. If I get a few more I'll start a wiki page to try and start organizing topics and potential presenters. This may lead then to a conference call for further discussion. Cheers Charlie attachment: cschweik.vcf___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Raster Tracing - Results
Thanks for the archive link Alex. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Alex Mandel Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:08 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Raster Tracing - Results Landon Blake wrote: Thank you for all of the responses. I will summarize here for everyone's benefit: - Line Trace Plugs was a raster to vector conversion program used by the SCS, BLM and Forest Service. It was historically distributed with GRASS. It may now be available at ltplus.org. Site appears to have been down for several years, but you can see the last known revision thanks to the Internet Archive http://web.archive.org/web/20070528050330/http://www.ltplus.org/ Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Warning: Information provided via electronic media is not guaranteed against defects including translation and transmission errors. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the problem is the audio... - Dan On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Charlie Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote: Dimitris Kotzinos wrote: Dear Charlie, the idea sounds intriguing but we should bear in mind the different requirements of the three actors you mentioned in your e-mail, so it would be difficult to find the one size that fits all. Good point, Dimitris. As someone who teaches but also studies the public sector I agree wholeheartedly. If there was sufficient interest, perhaps we could have a series of these, e.g.: OS Geo technologies for high-school teachers - sub topics here OS Geo technologies for local governments - sub topics here At the same time, seminars on various technologies could, potentially, be somewhat generic. Moreover we need to know a bit more an the needs we will try to cover and finally we need the people who would do the job. As I said the idea is interesting so I would interested in participating. I've had two responses so far from people possibly interested in participating in this. If there are others who might be interested in presenting a topic, let me know. If I get a few more I'll start a wiki page to try and start organizing topics and potential presenters. This may lead then to a conference call for further discussion. Cheers Charlie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE Associate Professor, Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls amesd...@isu.edu geology.isu.edu www.hydromap.com www.mapwindow.org * See you at MapWindow GIS 2010! Orlando, Florida, USA 31 March - 2 April 2010 http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2010 Also at: AWRA GIS 2010: http://www.awra.org/meetings/Florida2010/ IEMSS 2010: http://www.iemss.org/iemss2010/ * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Hi Dan, Daniel Ames wrote: Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the problem is the audio... - Dan Good question, Dan! Webinar technology is not something I know that much about. But I imagine it is solvable (or is that naiive?) If my assumption is correct, let's see if we can get a list of a few webinar topics and people willing to present them, and then if that looks promising we can turn to this question. Can I put you down as a possible person to keep in the loop Dan? Cheers Charlie attachment: cschweik.vcf___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Hi Charlie, Something to look at is Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ I haven't installed it, but have used their demo site. It seems fairly nice. I wanted to allow for screen sharing, and it does that well. Voice volume was a bit of a problem on Linux, but not on Windows, and this may be fixed at this point. I haven't tried video on it at this point. Dan On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 16:56 -0500, Charlie Schweik wrote: Hi Dan, Daniel Ames wrote: Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the problem is the audio... - Dan Good question, Dan! Webinar technology is not something I know that much about. But I imagine it is solvable (or is that naiive?) If my assumption is correct, let's see if we can get a list of a few webinar topics and people willing to present them, and then if that looks promising we can turn to this question. Can I put you down as a possible person to keep in the loop Dan? Cheers Charlie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
It is always good not to paste the URL twice, so a second shot at Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 14:09 -0800, Dan Putler wrote: Hi Charlie, Something to look at is Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ I haven't installed it, but have used their demo site. It seems fairly nice. I wanted to allow for screen sharing, and it does that well. Voice volume was a bit of a problem on Linux, but not on Windows, and this may be fixed at this point. I haven't tried video on it at this point. Dan On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 16:56 -0500, Charlie Schweik wrote: Hi Dan, Daniel Ames wrote: Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the problem is the audio... - Dan Good question, Dan! Webinar technology is not something I know that much about. But I imagine it is solvable (or is that naiive?) If my assumption is correct, let's see if we can get a list of a few webinar topics and people willing to present them, and then if that looks promising we can turn to this question. Can I put you down as a possible person to keep in the loop Dan? Cheers Charlie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
How about a combination of something like open meetings for desktop sharing with Google Voice Chat or Yahoo Chat for the voice? Yes, do keep me in the loop Charlie. I'd be happy to give a webinar and if this goes well we could evlove it into a course for seminar credit here at ISU. - Dan On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Dan Putler dan.put...@sauder.ubc.ca wrote: It is always good not to paste the URL twice, so a second shot at Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 14:09 -0800, Dan Putler wrote: Hi Charlie, Something to look at is Openmeetings: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/ I haven't installed it, but have used their demo site. It seems fairly nice. I wanted to allow for screen sharing, and it does that well. Voice volume was a bit of a problem on Linux, but not on Windows, and this may be fixed at this point. I haven't tried video on it at this point. Dan On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 16:56 -0500, Charlie Schweik wrote: Hi Dan, Daniel Ames wrote: Webinars are a great idea but need someone to host the webinar software... any thoughts on how to do that? We could potentially help out here at ISU with the desktop sharing side of things, but the problem is the audio... - Dan Good question, Dan! Webinar technology is not something I know that much about. But I imagine it is solvable (or is that naiive?) If my assumption is correct, let's see if we can get a list of a few webinar topics and people willing to present them, and then if that looks promising we can turn to this question. Can I put you down as a possible person to keep in the loop Dan? Cheers Charlie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Daniel P. Ames, Ph.D. PE Associate Professor, Geosciences Idaho State University - Idaho Falls amesd...@isu.edu geology.isu.edu www.hydromap.com www.mapwindow.org * See you at MapWindow GIS 2010! Orlando, Florida, USA 31 March - 2 April 2010 http://www.mapwindow.org/conference/2010 Also at: AWRA GIS 2010: http://www.awra.org/meetings/Florida2010/ IEMSS 2010: http://www.iemss.org/iemss2010/ * ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits?
Hello Charlie, In India We are conducting free road shows collaborating with universities to create awareness on OSGeo products. We have conducted one such Seminar Opensource GIS Tools and Solutions - An Awareness seminar jointly by NRCFOSS,kCube and Institue of Remote Sensing, Anna University. For those who are interested for detailed training programs we conduct commercial programs. We are interested to contribute to free Webinars and Promote OSGeo. Regards Kumaran -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Schweik Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:45 PM To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo-edu Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Webinars on OS geo for local governments, schools and nonprofits? OSGeo colleagues, I was recently contacted by Ann Deakin, a Geosciences faculty at the State University of New York - Fredonia campus. She is also on the board of directors of the NYS GIS Association and the chair of their education committee. She was asking me about the possibility of offering a webinar to their members (and anyone considering getting into GIS) on open source GIS. This sounded like a really good idea to me, as a possible new (?) way of promoting OSGeo technologies. I'm wondering if anyone has already done this kind of thing? Would any of our knowledge experts out there be willing to do such a webinar? (If so, let me know in what area) If we can get something like this designed, we could either do it first working with Ann and the NYS GIS Association, or perhaps try and scale the webinar up to a larger and more international crowd. Reactions welcome! Charlie Schweik OSGeo education chair ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
