Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What GeoSpatial Open Source Software do Surveyors use?

2010-04-02 Thread Markus Neteler
Cameron,

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Cameron Shorter
cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank you Marina,

(small correction: Maria)

 That is a good example.
 To be complete, could you also answer:
 * What would be the proprietary equivalent software you would use?

I'll leave that to Maria.

 * Why did you decide to use GRASS instead of proprietary software?
 (Hopefully more than it was cheaper)

... note that she actually *author* of the code. She and her team have
developed it over the last years.

 * It seems you are officiated with a University?

She is professor there.

 Industry is more convinced
 by case studies that come out of industry, as universities are often
 associated with smart geeks, who have a high tollerance to things going
 wrong because they can fix it themselves. Is there a non-education
 affilition you can draw upon? Did you do this work for a governement
 department or similar?

I leave this again to Maria.

Best
Markus

 maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.it wrote:

 Dear Cameron
 if you are interested also in LiDAR data filtering (to obtain from the
 LiDAR point cloud the digital terrain model), we developed  commands into
 GRASS. They have to be used in sequence.

 http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.edgedetection.html
 http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.growing.html
 http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.correction.html
 http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.surf.bspline.html

 A detailed description is available here:


 http://www.foss4g2006.org/getFile.py/access?contribId=48sessionId=59resId=7materialId=slidesconfId=1

 a more recent and summarised version can be found here:


 http://geomatica.como.polimi.it/corsi/remote_sensing/LiDAR_filtering_with_GRASS-lab4.pdf

 We worked also on calibration of  the filtering parameters (around 20
 parameters) by integrating the USGS UCODE and GRASS. Details are available
 here:

 http://www.isprs.org/proceedings/XXXVIII/1_4_7-W5/paper/Brovelli-126.pdf

 I hope it helps.

 Cheers.
 Maria



 - Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm giving a presentation on GeoSpatial Open Source at the
 international
 Surveyors conference here in Sydney.
 http://www.fig2010.com/

 I'd like advice on what use cases and Open Source packages I should
 focus on during the presentation.
 Feedback from Surveyors welcomed.

 --
 Cameron Shorter
 Geospatial Solutions Manager
 Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

 Think Globally, Fix Locally
 Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
 http://www.lisasoft.com

 ___
 Discuss mailing list
 Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


 --
 Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open
 Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit
 http://iso26300.info for more information.

 ___
 Discuss mailing list
 Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss




 
 This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.


 ___
 Discuss mailing list
 Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


 --
 Cameron Shorter
 Geospatial Solutions Manager
 Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

 Think Globally, Fix Locally
 Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
 http://www.lisasoft.com

 ___
 Discuss mailing list
 Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What GeoSpatial Open Source Software do Surveyors use?

2010-04-02 Thread maria . brovelli

Hi Cameron
Def. Quota Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com:


Thank you Marina,
That is a good example.
To be complete, could you also answer:



* What would be the proprietary equivalent software you would use?


to filter the LiDAr point cloud the most used software is  Terrasolid  
Terrascan
(http://www.3dlasermapping.com/en/airborne/software/terrascan.htm)  
which is a very powefull tool.





* Why did you decide to use GRASS instead of proprietary software?
(Hopefully more than it was cheaper)



because we developed original algorithms for filtering.
In any case filtering LiDAR data with a high accuracy level is quite  
impossible if you decide to simply use  an authomatic procedure. Our  
method can be an alternative to Terrascan (being the algorithms  
completely different from those implemented in Terrascan) to verify  
the authomatic detection of  terrain points.





* It seems you are officiated with a University? Industry is more  
convinced by case studies that come out of industry, as universities  
are often associated with smart geeks, who have a high tollerance  
to things going wrong because they can fix it themselves. Is there  
a non-education affilition you can draw upon? Did you do this work  
for a governement department or similar?


No, I work at Politecnico di Milano (so, University) and the  
development of such tools has been made in the frame of a national  
(italian) research project.


Cheers.
Maria





maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.it wrote:

Dear Cameron
if you are interested also in LiDAR data filtering (to obtain from  
the LiDAR point cloud the digital terrain model), we developed   
commands into GRASS. They have to be used in sequence.


http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.edgedetection.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.growing.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.correction.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.surf.bspline.html

A detailed description is available here:

http://www.foss4g2006.org/getFile.py/access?contribId=48sessionId=59resId=7materialId=slidesconfId=1 a more recent and summarised version can be found  
here:


http://geomatica.como.polimi.it/corsi/remote_sensing/LiDAR_filtering_with_GRASS-lab4.pdf We worked also on calibration of  the filtering parameters (around 20 parameters) by integrating the USGS UCODE and GRASS. Details are available  
here:


http://www.isprs.org/proceedings/XXXVIII/1_4_7-W5/paper/Brovelli-126.pdf

I hope it helps.

Cheers.
Maria




- Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm giving a presentation on GeoSpatial Open Source at the
international
Surveyors conference here in Sydney.
http://www.fig2010.com/

I'd like advice on what use cases and Open Source packages I should
focus on during the presentation.
Feedback from Surveyors welcomed.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss



--
Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS  
Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please  
visit http://iso26300.info for more information.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss






This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss



--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss






This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Whitebox GAT (Chris Puttick)

2010-04-02 Thread Johannes Bolz

Dear Mr Blake,

yes, I am looking for a paid internship in order to be able to cover my 
living expenses. What would be a good time to call?


Kind regards,
Johannes Bolz

Am 02.04.2010 00:30, schrieb Landon Blake:

Mr. Bolz:

Are you looking for a paid internship?

Landon
Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268
Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658
   



--
Johannes Bolz
Sonnenallee 40
12045 Berlin
Phone:  +49 30 69205670
Mobile: +49 162 1838910
Skype   johannes-bolz
mailto:johannes-b...@gmx.net

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss


Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What GeoSpatial Open Source Software do Surveyors use?

2010-04-02 Thread Cameron Shorter

Maria,
Under what circumstances should we recommend people use GRASS over 
Terrasolid Terrascan, and under what circumstances should they stick 
with Terrasolid Terrascan?


I can see that GRASS is better if you plan to write your own algorithm, 
because you have access to the source code.

I'm hoping that we can recommend GRASS for more than that?

Do people chain GRASS inside Web Processing Services?

maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.it wrote:

Hi Cameron
Def. Quota Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com:


Thank you Marina,
That is a good example.
To be complete, could you also answer:



* What would be the proprietary equivalent software you would use?


to filter the LiDAr point cloud the most used software is  Terrasolid 
Terrascan
(http://www.3dlasermapping.com/en/airborne/software/terrascan.htm) 
which is a very powefull tool.





* Why did you decide to use GRASS instead of proprietary software?
(Hopefully more than it was cheaper)



because we developed original algorithms for filtering.
In any case filtering LiDAR data with a high accuracy level is quite 
impossible if you decide to simply use  an authomatic procedure. Our 
method can be an alternative to Terrascan (being the algorithms 
completely different from those implemented in Terrascan) to verify 
the authomatic detection of  terrain points.





* It seems you are officiated with a University? Industry is more 
convinced by case studies that come out of industry, as universities 
are often associated with smart geeks, who have a high tollerance to 
things going wrong because they can fix it themselves. Is there a 
non-education affilition you can draw upon? Did you do this work for 
a governement department or similar?


No, I work at Politecnico di Milano (so, University) and the 
development of such tools has been made in the frame of a national 
(italian) research project.


Cheers.
Maria





maria.brove...@diiar-topo.polimi.it wrote:

Dear Cameron
if you are interested also in LiDAR data filtering (to obtain from 
the LiDAR point cloud the digital terrain model), we developed  
commands into GRASS. They have to be used in sequence.


http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.edgedetection.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.growing.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.lidar.correction.html
http://grass.osgeo.org/gdp/html_grass64/v.surf.bspline.html

A detailed description is available here:

http://www.foss4g2006.org/getFile.py/access?contribId=48sessionId=59resId=7materialId=slidesconfId=1 
a more recent and summarised version can be found here:


http://geomatica.como.polimi.it/corsi/remote_sensing/LiDAR_filtering_with_GRASS-lab4.pdf 
We worked also on calibration of  the filtering parameters (around 
20 parameters) by integrating the USGS UCODE and GRASS. Details are 
available here:


http://www.isprs.org/proceedings/XXXVIII/1_4_7-W5/paper/Brovelli-126.pdf 



I hope it helps.

Cheers.
Maria




- Cameron Shorter cameron.shor...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm giving a presentation on GeoSpatial Open Source at the
international
Surveyors conference here in Sydney.
http://www.fig2010.com/

I'd like advice on what use cases and Open Source packages I should
focus on during the presentation.
Feedback from Surveyors welcomed.

--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss



--
Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open 
Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit 
http://iso26300.info for more information.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss






This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss



--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss






This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.


___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss



--
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] open source desktop shootout

2010-04-02 Thread percy

Hmmm, thanks for that link Cameron, but that's not what I'm remembering!
:-)

I specifically remember it being related to the Quebec FOSS4G-NA...

Can anyone else help me with this?

Alternatively, should we start a wiki page on OSGEO.org that specifies 
the capabilities that desktop GIS have/should have?


BTW, We are planning on burning some liveDVDs to hand out at our 
conference...


Thanks,
Percy


Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:38:45 +1100 From: Cameron Shorter 
cameron.shor...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] open source 
desktop shootout To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org 
Message-ID: 4bb42355.5000...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed



Percy, Maybe you are remembering the email discussion titled: 
[OSGeo-Discuss] Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout at FOSS4G 2010? 
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2009-December/006494.html 
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2009-December/thread.html


As a contribution to this thread, the LiveDVD project can contribute to 
this shootout, in that we have many of the desktops already packaged, 
along with 1 page descriptions of each project. And I'd love to include 
documentation or tables into the liveDVD which help users select between 
different applications.


percy wrote:
  Does anyone have any info on the desktop comparison
  (shootout/smackdown) planned for FOSS4G-NA in Quebec next year?
 
  I'm sure I saw an announcement about this somewhere, but the google is
  failing me  :-)
 
  We are doing a similar event at our regional GIS in Action conference
  in two weeks, and it would be great to see if there has already been a
  matrix of capabilities established (cartography, analysis, etc) that
  we can use and contribute to.
 
  Thanks,
  Percy

--
David Percy
Geospatial Data Manager
Geology Department
Portland State University
http://gisgeek.pdx.edu
503-725-3373
___
Discuss mailing list
Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss