Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help authoring tools

[Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas]

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El 01/06/10 19:00, Daniel Ames escribió:
> Do any of you have a preferred open source help authoring tool? We're
> looking for something to document our projects on web pages - something
> better than wiki - and also to download and install with software. Must
> be cross platform, etc. I'd like to use whatever others are using in the
> OSGeo community for consistency... - Dan
> 

At gvSIG project we use Plone CMS and restructured text markup at
gvsig.org

I agree with others that sphinx is a nice environment to build but
well, we use our Plone instance for more things than documenting: we
have a contrib section[1], a huge group of people translating not only
the website (manuals, courses, etc) but also the gvSIG GUI (Desktop
and Mobile) using a new plone plugin we promoted[2], working groups
management, our events[3], etc. etc.

rst is a nice markup and I use it everyday with gnome text editor
(gedit). There are some plugins to help editing rst, do fast previews,
etc.

Anyway I would recommend also to follow the other people
recommendation about using sphinx, our plone instance requires to have
a very skilled people and sphinx is more easy to deploy and maintain.

Cheers

[1] https://gvsig.org/plugins/downloads
[2] http://forge.osor.eu/projects/gvsig-i18n/
[3] https://gvsig.org/web/home/community/events
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[Alexis Guéganno]

On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva  wrote:
> The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new Q&A websites in the molds
> of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc.
>
> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d
>
> There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created - containing
> aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map design,
> geography, etc).
>
> Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of
> users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the
> proposal.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> George R. C. Silva
>
> Desenvolvimento em GIS
> http://blog.geoprocessamento.net

Hi !

I just want to add something : if you have some time after
subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are
on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic
and off-topic questions.

I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by
stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've
been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^

Greetings,

Agemen.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[George Silva]

Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information.

George

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno  wrote:

> On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva  wrote:
> > The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new Q&A websites in the
> molds
> > of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc.
> >
> >
> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d
> >
> > There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created -
> containing
> > aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography, map
> design,
> > geography, etc).
> >
> > Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large number of
> > users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the
> > proposal.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > George R. C. Silva
> >
> > Desenvolvimento em GIS
> > http://blog.geoprocessamento.net
>
> Hi !
>
> I just want to add something : if you have some time after
> subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are
> on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic
> and off-topic questions.
>
> I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by
> stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've
> been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^
>
> Greetings,
>
> Agemen.
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Help authoring tools

[Cameron Shorter]

For docbook WYSIWYG editing, I highly recommend the free version of 
XmlEditor from http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/
It makes docbook almost as easy to edit as a word document, with the 
advantage of having structured docbook as a result. However, much as I 
love docbook as a format, it has limited market share and hence authors 
are less likely to want to write documents using it. Consequently I 
would advise against using docbook.


On 02/06/10 05:28, Paul Ramsey wrote:

PostGIS is docbook, a decision from Way Back.

Docbook has served us well, and in particular has provided some
unexpected benefits, in that the detailed markup have allowed
documentation-driven test frameworks to be built (we can actually
automatically test every documented function).

That said, if I were making the decision again today I'd use RST and
Sphinx, for the attractiveness of output and the human-readability of
the documentation source. It's easier to update the documentation at
source when you can easily visually scan it. I found I couldn't write
large chunks of docbook without using a WYSIWYG editor like (now
defunct) XMetaL.

P.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Howard Butler  wrote:
   

On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
 

On 06/01/2010 10:00 AM, Daniel Ames wrote:
 

Do any of you have a preferred open source help authoring tool? We're looking 
for something to document our projects on web pages - something better than 
wiki - and also to download and install with software. Must be cross platform, 
etc. I'd like to use whatever others are using in the OSGeo community for 
consistency... - Dan
   

  Daniel,

MapServer, GeoTools, OpenLayers, GeoServer, Shapely, libLAS, and GeoDjango all use 
Sphinx.  In my opinion, Sphinx's great advantages in 
order of importance are:

- text-like markup (docbook is too much burden on documentation writers).  
Restructured text is not too difficult to learn, but I wish the world would 
agree on a text-like markup (markdown, restructured text, wikitext, etc)
- variety of output.   Besides html, you can do ePub, PDF (multiple ways -- via 
latex or stand alone), windows compiled help, qthelp, man
- pretty output
- simple installation and management

I know there are some sphinx skeptics from the MapServer project on this list 
who might chime up one way or another about its level of success within the 
MapServer project, but I think its implementation has help our project 
immensely.

GDAL is still using Doxygen for its documentation generation.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Miguel Montesinos]

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[miblon]

I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion that I 
am not interested in separating GIS from the "rest" of the topics on 
their site, I have recieved great result asking programming questions, 
postgis/postgres related questions and in return I often answer GIS 
related questions. It is especially the fact that everything is in a 
single place that makes me a fan of stackoverflow.


The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for gis, 
postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers in my 
fields of interest is easy.


It would in my opinion, be better to move us "GIS folks" into the crowd 
of "regular" programmers and IT specialists. We might learn from them 
and they from us.


Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel 
offended, it is just the way I look at this.


Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

George Silva wrote:

Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information.

George

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno > wrote:


On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new Q&A websites in
the molds
> of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc.
>
>

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d
>
> There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created -
containing
> aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography,
map design,
> geography, etc).
>
> Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large
number of
> users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the
> proposal.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> George R. C. Silva
>
> Desenvolvimento em GIS
> http://blog.geoprocessamento.net

Hi !

I just want to add something : if you have some time after
subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are
on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic
and off-topic questions.

I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by
stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've
been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^

Greetings,

Agemen.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[George Silva]

Hello Milo,

I'm not offended in any way. My experience with SO is that there are way too
few questions related to GIS in that website. Questions about projections,
webmapping, gis programming are perhaps way too specific for the use of SO
as a website to the GIS community.

If you check that website you will be able to see what kind of question we
are planning to have and vote them as on-topic or off-topic.

But thank you for your opinion :P.

George

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM, miblon  wrote:

> I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion that I am
> not interested in separating GIS from the "rest" of the topics on their
> site, I have recieved great result asking programming questions,
> postgis/postgres related questions and in return I often answer GIS related
> questions. It is especially the fact that everything is in a single place
> that makes me a fan of stackoverflow.
>
> The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for gis,
> postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers in my fields of
> interest is easy.
>
> It would in my opinion, be better to move us "GIS folks" into the crowd of
> "regular" programmers and IT specialists. We might learn from them and they
> from us.
>
> Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel
> offended, it is just the way I look at this.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Milo van der Linden
>
> George Silva wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno > a9e...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva >> wrote:
>>> The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new Q&A websites in
>>the molds
>>> of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d
>>>
>>> There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I created -
>>containing
>>> aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming, cartography,
>>map design,
>>> geography, etc).
>>>
>>> Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large
>>number of
>>> users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist, follow the
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> George R. C. Silva
>>>
>>> Desenvolvimento em GIS
>>> http://blog.geoprocessamento.net
>>
>>Hi !
>>
>>I just want to add something : if you have some time after
>>subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you think they are
>>on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified on-topic
>>and off-topic questions.
>>
>>I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites promoted by
>>stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share infos. I've
>>been saved sometimes by stack overflow and server fault ^_^
>>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>Agemen.
>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Valenty Gonzalez]

Hi Miguel,

I like very much Enebro-2.0 because it work with data base SQLite.
Enebro have too EnebroPC, a desktop interface to convert formats and migrate
data form PC to PDA and viceversa
It's only available for windows and windows mobile.

http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/repositorio/usuario/listado/fichacompleta.jsf?idProyecto=490

Regards,

Valenty

On 2 June 2010 08:05, Miguel Montesinos  wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> perfomance or usability check lists.
>
> Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> interested?
>
> Regards,
>
> -
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> CTO
> PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[Alexis Guéganno]

Hi !

Moreover, I think it will be easier, for people who are involved in
developing for GIS, it will be easier to contribute to a dedicated Q&A
site than on stack overflow.For developers who wants to concentrate on
their topic, such a site will be less noisy.

But it's only my feeling, too ;-) And your point of view was really
interesting. Furthermore, I think that, if we assume that this GIS
dedicated site will live, we will have to be aware of our neighbours.
For some questions, Stack Overflow or Server Fault will certainly be
more suitable.

But it's only conjecture for now. We must complete phase one before
anything else. Still miss people and off-topic questions ;-)


Greetings,

Agemen.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[miblon]

I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build 
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin 
and will try to get it running on meego.


If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your 
feature list, let me know.


Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

Regards,

-
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CTO
PRODEVELOP, S.L.
mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
www.prodevelop.es

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] StackOverflow like GIS website

[miblon]

Hello George,

I completely agree that there aren't a lot of questions that are GIS 
related on SO, but most come from people not familiar with GIS at all 
entering either from a developer (google maps api, openlayers) or a dba 
perspective. And these roles are interesting; Often they are the guys 
that are asked by management to "put a map in their app" and often they 
strand on geometry or projection related topics. I believe that is where 
we fit in. We help them out, point them to the fact that there ARE 
people specialized in GI and maybe one thing will lead to another: The 
managers grow in understanding that Geo IT is a profession too...


Especially now, with the crisis, IT managers are looking at programmers 
being able to work in the whole spectrum of options. I believe it is our 
task to show them that using specialists might speed up development. 
That is why I always advice customers to hire me for the map and the 
geodata, and designers for the website look and feel. I cannot (and will 
not) design websites, and a designer shouldn't try to master maps, 
he/she should master design!


GIS related topics pop up more and more thanks to openlayers and google 
maps. And it offers opportunities. SO is an environment to spot these 
opportunities whereas a GIS specific SO would lead to segregation, 
keeping us away from the rest of the world.


I would strongly opt to put effort in gettting GIS related topics "on 
the map" on SO instead of copying SO for a limited audience. It would 
surely show our presence to the people out there.




George Silva wrote:

Hello Milo,

I'm not offended in any way. My experience with SO is that there are 
way too few questions related to GIS in that website. Questions about 
projections, webmapping, gis programming are perhaps way too specific 
for the use of SO as a website to the GIS community.


If you check that website you will be able to see what kind of 
question we are planning to have and vote them as on-topic or off-topic.


But thank you for your opinion :P.

George

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:39 AM, miblon > wrote:


I am a user at stackoverflow too. And it is my personal opinion
that I am not interested in separating GIS from the "rest" of the
topics on their site, I have recieved great result asking
programming questions, postgis/postgres related questions and in
return I often answer GIS related questions. It is especially the
fact that everything is in a single place that makes me a fan of
stackoverflow.

The stackoverflow search options are excelent. Thanks to tags for
gis, postgis, openlayers and others; finding questions or answers
in my fields of interest is easy.

It would in my opinion, be better to move us "GIS folks" into the
crowd of "regular" programmers and IT specialists. We might learn
from them and they from us.

Integrate, don't seperate is my personal advice. Please don't feel
offended, it is just the way I look at this.

Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

George Silva wrote:

Thanks for the complement Alexis. Very important information.

George

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Alexis Guéganno
mailto:a9e...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

   On 1 June 2010 23:45, George Silva mailto:georger.si...@gmail.com>
   >> wrote:
   > The guys at StackOverflow are promoting some new Q&A
websites in
   the molds
   > of StackOverflow, ServerFault, etc.
   >
   >
 
 http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1425/geographic-information-systems?referrer=u45zxtCru4U%3d

   >
   > There is a propose for a GIS website like it, which I
created -
   containing
   > aspects of all areas of GIS (database, programming,
cartography,
   map design,
   > geography, etc).
   >
   > Check it out. The proposition needs to be accepted by a large
   number of
   > users to move on, so if you guys feel that should exist,
follow the
   > proposal.
   >
   > Thanks
   >
   > --
   > George R. C. Silva
   >
   > Desenvolvimento em GIS
   > http://blog.geoprocessamento.net

   Hi !

   I just want to add something : if you have some time after
   subscription, feel free to vote for the question if you
think they are
   on-topic or off-topic. We need users AND clearly identified
on-topic
   and off-topic questions.

   I think the idea is great. Thanks for it, George :-) Sites
promoted by
   stack exchange are nice, and are a good place to share
infos. I've
   been saved sometim

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Cameron Shorter]

Miguel,
I'm excited to hear your presentation was selected. I think there is a 
lot of interest in mobile GIS and seeing an overview of technologies 
will be of great interest to the general community, so I expect you will 
have a large audience to present to.


I saw an interesting presentation from Geoffrey Shea and Professor 
Jiannong Cao at the FIG conference [1]. They have built a mobile 
application based upon open source on a Windows Mobile. I understand 
they have already, or are going to publish their source code as an Open 
Source project.


Geoffrey, Professor Cao,
I wonder whether you would be interested in joining Miguel's comparison 
of GIS Mobile applications?
Also, could you please point us to the location of the code for your 
project. Is it on Google Code or similar?


[1] http://www.google.com/search?q=libmobilegis+fig

On 02/06/10 22:35, Miguel Montesinos wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
perfomance or usability check lists.

Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
interested?

Regards,

-
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CTO
PRODEVELOP, S.L.
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www.prodevelop.es

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Bob Basques]

Milo, 

You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing for 
GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you focusing 
your efforts on for MEEGO? 

bobb 



>>> miblon  wrote:

I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
and will try to get it running on meego.

If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
feature list, let me know.

Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> Hello to all,
>
> I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> perfomance or usability check lists.
>
> Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> interested?
>
> Regards,
>
> -
> Miguel Montesinos
> CTO
> PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[miblon]

Hello Bob!

I started out using moblin as my "en route" OS of choice. On my asus 
1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on 
bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via 
bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G 
modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up.


My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution 
for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I 
am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours 
has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed 
by nokia.


Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative 
products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has 
nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-)


I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small 
step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks 
like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel. 
Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the 
moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration 
while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah 
when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its "OS for kids" 
look has to stay in the box a little while longer.


For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop 
replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution. 
But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot, 
the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And 
even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15" or more 
anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm




Bob Basques wrote:


Milo,


You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some 
testing for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of 
functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?



bobb




>>> miblon  wrote:

I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
and will try to get it running on meego.

If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
feature list, let me know.

Kind regards,

Milo van der Linden

Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> Hello to all,
>
> I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> perfomance or usability check lists.
>
> Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> interested?
>
> Regards,
>
> -
> Miguel Montesinos
> CTO
> PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
> www.prodevelop.es
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Christopher Schmidt]

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
> Milo, 
> 
> You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
> for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
> focusing your efforts on for MEEGO? 

Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely 
for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much 
other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
Linux Box.

-- Chris, proud owner of an N900

> bobb 
> 
> 
> 
> >>> miblon  wrote:
> 
> I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
> for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
> and will try to get it running on meego.
> 
> If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
> feature list, let me know.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Milo van der Linden
> 
> Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> > Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> > make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> > collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> > perfomance or usability check lists.
> >
> > Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> > interested?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -
> > Miguel Montesinos
> > CTO
> > PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> > mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
> > www.prodevelop.es
> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Bob Basques]

Christopher, 

Understood, I went the Linux route on purpose.   

Maemo is fine for the time being.  Everything I need looks be in there already, 
 the Meego stuff just looked interesting, and the fact that someone else was 
talking about it made it even more interesting. 

C:) 

bobb 



>>> Christopher Schmidt  wrote:

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 03:25:45PM -0500, Bob Basques wrote:
> Milo,
>
> You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some testing 
> for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of functionalities are you 
> focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?

Note that the current development platform for the N900 (and likely
for the next 6 months at least) is still Maemo. The two platforms
will likely not differ greatly; a lot of the UI functionality is already
SDK-level in Maemo, and apps themselves likely won't change much
other than packaging. In either case, it's mostly just a Very Small
Linux Box.

-- Chris, proud owner of an N900

> bobb
>
>
>
> >>> miblon  wrote:
>
> I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
> for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
> and will try to get it running on meego.
>
> If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
> feature list, let me know.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Milo van der Linden
>
> Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> > Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> > make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> > collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> > perfomance or usability check lists.
> >
> > Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> > interested?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -
> > Miguel Montesinos
> > CTO
> > PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> > mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
> > www.prodevelop.es
> >
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> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[Bob Basques]

Milo, 

You don't need to convince me on the Open side of things, it's why I chose to 
try out the Nokia.  I'm actually going to buy 3 more of them, if all goes as 
planned, mostly for prototyping and such to build support for follow on work. 

bobb 



>>> miblon  wrote:

Hello Bob!

I started out using moblin as my "en route" OS of choice. On my asus
1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on
bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via
bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G
modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting osm2go up.

My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution
for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I
am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours
has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed
by nokia.

Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative
products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has
nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-)

I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small
step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks
like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel.
Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the
moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration
while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah
when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its "OS for kids"
look has to stay in the box a little while longer.

For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop
replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution.
But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot,
the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And
even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15" or more
anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm



Bob Basques wrote:
>
> Milo,
>
>
> You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some
> testing for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of
> functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?
>
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> >>> miblon  wrote:
>
> I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
> for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
> and will try to get it running on meego.
>
> If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
> feature list, let me know.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Milo van der Linden
>
> Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> > Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best way to
> > make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> > collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> > perfomance or usability check lists.
> >
> > Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> > interested?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -
> > Miguel Montesinos
> > CTO
> > PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> > mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
> > www.prodevelop.es
> >
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Some Longish-term Assist Needed

[Arnie Shore]

Hello all.  I'm the lead programmer of a free, Open Source (mostly!)
Computer-Aided-Dispatch application - Tickets by name - that's currently
GMaps-based, which we're planning to fork to the OSGeo world of OSM/Open
Layers.  (Other considerations include PHP and MySQL bases as an OS-agnostic
web application.)

There's information re our application at
http://openises.sourceforge.net/tickets01.html and also
http://groups.google.com/group/open-source-cad

CAD is certainly a mature technology market-wise in that there's no shortage
of commercial sources of these applications.  But they tend to be expensive,
and there's a need given the huge number of local jurisdictions and
volunteer teams supporting them.  Typical user environments include local
emergency management/response offices as well as ham teams playing important
roles in supporting local emergency operations, special events, etc,.

It's in this last consideration that the need for a 'no-internet' - i.e.
local only - capability has surfaced among our users.  Which, of course,
dictates that we move from GMaps in favor of a completely local server-based
operation for tiles as well as all software.  Needless to say, other
considerations also point in this direction.  ^__^

A fair proportion of users to date have very limited experience in the care
and feeding of a web server and application, and the availability of the
WAMP/LAMP/MAMP stacks has been a god-send in that respect.  I'm loathe to
add any component that might add to that complexity.

Frankly, I don't see a large need for cartography per se, so the use of
low-footprint tile-serving PHP element makes sense to me, rather than using
any of the array of servers and caching/rendering applications discussed
here. It would simply present OSM tiles stored on the user's server.  Note
that this approach contributes directly to the goal of minimum installation
complexity.

What we're looking for:  We're all volunteers here, and we're looking for
more of the same.  Specifically, someone who has some hands on skill (or
interest in acquiring such) in use of Open Layers (primarily) and OSM
secondarily.

The work will consist of (first) developing a tool that will allow a user to
identify and gather the OSM tile sets specific to his/her geography, and
then the script-by-script revision of the existing GMaps functions into
their OL counterparts.  You'll want pretty good JS chops here.

I realize that I haven't gone into this in any depth at all and that there's
no shortage of questions right now.  But if this piques someone's interest,
please contact me offline at shoreas AT gmail DOT com.  And thanks for
making it down this far!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison of Mobile GIS applications

[miblon]

;-)

I am not trying to convince anyone, just reflecting my personal 
enthousiasm! Good to hear you are a fan of the N900. I have been 
considering buying one too but am simply to curious about what will be 
next. Being on the meego mailinglists my hope is that if nokia announces 
a new device running meego, I will be one of the first to know ;-)



Bob Basques wrote:


Milo,


You don't need to convince me on the Open side of things, it's why I 
chose to try out the Nokia.  I'm actually going to buy 3 more of them, 
if all goes as planned, mostly for prototyping and such to build 
support for follow on work.



bobb




>>> miblon  wrote:

Hello Bob!

I started out using moblin as my "en route" OS of choice. On my asus
1005HA eee pc, it turned out to be the fastest, easiest to use (even on
bumpy rides) and flexible enough. I managed to connect moblin via
bluetooth to my gps and to my mobile phone. I use my mobile phone as 3G
modem. Then I started using it for openstreetmap work by getting 
osm2go up.


My goal is to get meego up to the same task: an excelent mobile solution
for communication and (lightweight) geodata collection. Besides that I
am waiting for the nokia device that will follow up on the N900, rumours
has it will be called the N9, but those rumours haven't been confirmed
by nokia.

Why meego and not android? Because I am always looking at alternative
products that will prevent single parties to become dominant. This has
nothing to do with reason, it is purely out of ideology ;-)

I am now running the 1.0 release and believe it or not, it is a small
step down from moblin 2.1. Although it boots faster, the interface looks
like a candystore and not all components have a synced look and feel.
Chromium for instance is not integrated in the panels as much as the
moblin browser was, and some apps suddenly have gray window decoration
while others have black. With moblin I would have people ooh and aah
when I did a business presentation with it, meego with its "OS for kids"
look has to stay in the box a little while longer.

For me meego == choice. I don't intend my eee pc it to be a desktop
replacer, I cannot imagine myself programming on 1024x600 resolution.
But it is my companion on the road and since I travel by train a lot,
the best companion I had so far with almost 8h of battery power. And
even for business meetings, I don't need to bring a heavy 15" or more
anymore. The eee will do perfect and run like a charm



Bob Basques wrote:
>
> Milo,
>
>
> You mentioned MEEGO in your post, I just ordered a N900 to do some
> testing for GIS related stuff on the N900.  What types of
> functionalities are you focusing your efforts on for MEEGO?
>
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> >>> miblon  wrote:
>
> I have been using navit and osm2go on moblin. There is a debian build
> for osm2go which is targeted at maemo, I managed to get it up on moblin
> and will try to get it running on meego.
>
> If you are interested in me filling the blanks for these 2 apps on your
> feature list, let me know.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Milo van der Linden
>
> Miguel Montesinos wrote:
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > I'm preparing a presentation for the FOSS4G, with title "Comparison of
> > Mobile GIS applications". I know some, but I think that the best 
way to

> > make an objective analysis is to offer the chance for anyone to
> > collaborate, in order to define common feature lists as well as
> > perfomance or usability check lists.
> >
> > Is anyone developing or using a mobile geospatial application
> > interested?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -
> > Miguel Montesinos
> > CTO
> > PRODEVELOP, S.L.
> > mmontesinos [at] prodevelop [dot] es
> > www.prodevelop.es
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