[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: land records management with open source GIS
Hi all, Thanks for replying, everyone. Instead of replying to each one of you separately, I am replying to myself, primarily to add more info to this query. On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:24 AM, P Kishor wrote: > does anyone know of an existing product, or a firm that develops such > a product catering to cadastral and land records management, but using > a completely open source stack? > A friend of mine is working in a SA country that has a new policy that all software at the national level must be non-commercial open source. A nice idea, but it plays havoc with their current cadastral and registry records management system running on a commercial, closed-source (well known) software platform. They now want to expand from a few municipality pilot to 10 times as many munis, and to eventually cover the entire country in the next decade. Their desire is to try replicate the current system using open source software. They have an estimate for the programming job, primarily based on the amount spent on programming the current system (not including the licenses for the base, commercial software). Their hope is to spend a similar amount programming an open source solution that can be replicated in the 200 or so munis without any additional cost for the software licenses. They have seen at least one other open source cadastral system implemented in a country in Africa, but found that system to be very weak, amateurish. -- Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org Carbon Model http://carbonmodel.org Charter Member, Open Source Geospatial Foundation http://www.osgeo.org Science Commons Fellow, http://sciencecommons.org/about/whoweare/kishor Nelson Institute, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu --- Assertions are politics; backing up assertions with evidence is science === ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal GEO mailing list proposal
strk wrote: Great responses from osgeo community, that's awesome ! Drupal community seemed a bit ligher on it, but the people that code I got a chance to talk on irc and they agreed on joining such a mailing list too. So, next step ? Would filing a request ticket on trac for SAC appropriate ? Strk, Yes. If you do so, listing the name you want, and who to put as administrator I'll create the list. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Programmer for Rent ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients
Hi all. I've just finished the english translation of the comparison v.4 [1]. I did some adjustments to the previous translation (I'm not a native speaker) as well as other changes you can read in the "What's new in this version?" section. Cameron, if you want, I'm able to send you the source files (html, css, png...). Regards, Germán -- [1] http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&task=view&id=257&Itemid=59&lang=en -- --- |\__ (:>__)( |/ Soluciones Geoinformáticas Libres http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/ -Original Message- From: geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Sent: Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:57 am Subject: Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients Hi Cameron. Sure! I would like it a lot. I plan to publish the 4th version of the comparison on next month. So far, the decision tree is just an idea, but I think with enough time it could be done. Regards. Germán -- --- |\__ (:>__)( |/ Soluciones Geoinformáticas Libres http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/ -Original Message- From: Cameron Shorter To: OSGeo Discussions ; Arnulf Christl ; German Carrillo Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 3:24 pm Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: FOSS4G Technology review presentations - Web clients Arnulf, I'd be interested to hear whether German's offer of comparing webmap projects would be of value to you in preparing your foss4g presentation about webmapping. German, I am very excited by the cross project comparison work you have been doing. I have just spent a week at the OSGeo booth at the international conference for surveyors, and one of common questions people ask is "I'm current using XXX to do YYY, does Open Source provide a tool which could do something similar? ... Which would you recommend?" I'd love to be able to point to, and hand out your webmapping comparison table. So I'd like to have your webmap comparison table and decision tree incorporated into the OSGeo LiveDVD which we were handing out at the conference, and probably also make it available as a flier. If you can create the material, I can help you get the material onto the LiveDVD and into OSGeo Marketing channels. geotux_tux...@linuxmail.org wrote: > (Sorry, I don't know how to follow the thread, I'm just registered) > > Hi all, I'm Germán Carrillo and it's a pleasure to have been invited > to > this discussion, thanks Cameron! > > As Cameron said, I've been mantaining a web map client comparison for > the > last year and a half. I've received support and suggestions for > most of > this projects, for some people from the OSGeo-es local chapter > and from > Paolo Cavallini (faunalia). The comparison is wide in terms > of number of > projects but it lacks a set of functionalities for each one. > > In a few days I'll start to prepare the 4th version and I want to > include > some other projects there. I also was thinking that it could > be possible > (in a near future) to add a decision tree to guide the > selection process of > a web map client. > > So, as you expected, I'd like to join this effort and build a > presentation > for the FOSS4G 2010. > > My first impression is that you would build the presentation for OSGeo > > projects, but, why not include other projects too? I think it's > important > to offer alternatives. Anyway, as Arnulf said, there are > different kinds of > web clients, so maybe we can think on a classification. > > Regards, > > Germán > > -- > --- > |\__ > (:>__)( > |/> > Soluciones Geoinformáticas Libres> > http://geotux.tuxfamily.org/ > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal GEO mailing list proposal
Great responses from osgeo community, that's awesome ! Drupal community seemed a bit ligher on it, but the people that code I got a chance to talk on irc and they agreed on joining such a mailing list too. So, next step ? Would filing a request ticket on trac for SAC appropriate ? --strk; () Free GIS & Flash consultant/developer /\ http://strk.keybit.net/services.html On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 02:04:34PM +0100, Tyler Mitchell wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 14:27, strk wrote: > > > How many of you would be interested in having > > > a mailing list setup for coordinating GEO-related > > > development within Drupal ? > > > > Count me in. A centralized place for Drupal geo developers would > > probably be good. And it would be good to get some cross-community > > contamination too. ;) > > +1 from me. A similar approach has worked well for the FOSS-GPS list we > host. It brought together a lot of various communities. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] land records management with open source GIS
Puneet, This is a rather open ended process (or it can be) of managing cadastral records. There are so many directions that this type of work can go and they play into so many different types of work processes, that in my experience the development of systems have been fragmented in the past. While I can't point to any one system that we have in place for this, I can tell you that we have put in a large amount of effort into digitally indexing and storing the data required to implement such a system. We also have a lot of production processes that would likely be considered a component of such a system. Our Survey section http://survey.ci.stpaul.mn.us/ has quite a lot of available online data already. And most of their spatial indexing is already available in our online mapping system (GISmo3 is not intended just for cadastral data) http://gis.ci.stpaul.mn.us/ Our spatial distribution system, GISmo3, is more generic in that all spatially related information is grouped together into the same system for both external and internal use. We've applied our efforts in making the publication and distribution efforts as easy as possible. This has made for some interesting difficulties with regard to the amount of data we have available, especially for new users trying to find something quickly, the internal system has upwards of 160 layers currently and the number keeps going up. The next versions of the system components will require more effort in the cataloging side of the equation as a consequence. Oh, and it's all Open Source based, except for some Oracle Based data storage, that could just as easily be in PostGIS. bobb >>> P Kishor 06/21/10 12:33 AM >>> does anyone know of an existing product, or a firm that develops such a product catering to cadastral and land records management, but using a completely open source stack? -- Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal GEO mailing list proposal
strk wrote: > How many of you would be interested in having > a mailing list setup for coordinating GEO-related > development within Drupal ? > I'm definitly interested, so count me in. Ciao Thomas -- Thomas Baschetti - Systemanalyse Geographische Informationssysteme Hakenstraße 8D 49074 Osnabrück Tel: 0541 25 91 90 | mobil 01577 189 25 91 E-Mail: i...@thomas-baschetti.de www.thomas-baschetti.de Ust-IdNr.: DE264355072 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal GEO mailing list proposal
Count me in too. In the (slow) process of moving Slashgeo.org to Drupal. Cheers, Alex -- Alexandre Leroux, M.Sc., ing. Section de la réponse aux urgences environnementales / Environmental Emergency Response Section Centre météorologique canadien / Canadian Meteorological Centre Environnement Canada / Environment Canada alexandre.ler...@ec.gc.ca - (514) 421-5024 On 06/20/10 07:27, strk wrote: How many of you would be interested in having a mailing list setup for coordinating GEO-related development within Drupal ? There are a lot of GEO-related Drupal modules but no mailing list that I know of, just a forum [1] which doesn't seem to be used much by developers. Drupal GEO developers tend to use the issue tracker of each module for discussion, which has the limit of cross-module coordination for better interoperability, and IRC [2]. I belive a mailing list hosted on osgeo.org would help improving the situation. [1] http://groups.drupal.org/location-and-mapping [2] irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal-geo --strk; () Free GIS & Flash consultant/developer /\ http://strk.keybit.net/services.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] land records management with open source GIS
Hi Puneet, We have developed a prototype application [1] for the cadastral management department from San Juan, Argentina. It's just a prototype, so it has limited data and functionality: * It only shows the San Juan city plots * Not all plots have full data. If you zoom to the right-center, you will see the plots which have all the data (Between the 25 de mayo, Rawson and Rivadavia streets). * The search box only works with the "nomenclature" field (eg: 0140390670). The project was developed using: * OpenScales (Flex) * GeoServer * SpatialCache * Ruby on Rails * Postgres/PostGIS Conclusion: Yes! You can develop a cadastral application with open source tools, don't pay for those useless licenses!! :) Let us know if you have any question. Cheers! [1] http://cadiz.xoomcode.com/ (demo:cadiz) On Jun 21, 2010, at 02:24 AM, P Kishor wrote: > does anyone know of an existing product, or a firm that develops such > a product catering to cadastral and land records management, but using > a completely open source stack? > > -- > Puneet Kishor > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Mauricio Miranda Software Engineering Manager http://www.xoomcode.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Drupal GEO mailing list proposal
strk wrote: How many of you would be interested in having a mailing list setup for coordinating GEO-related development within Drupal ? There are a lot of GEO-related Drupal modules but no mailing list that I know of, just a forum [1] which doesn't seem to be used much by developers. Drupal GEO developers tend to use the issue tracker of each module for discussion, which has the limit of cross-module coordination for better interoperability, and IRC [2]. I belive a mailing list hosted on osgeo.org would help improving the situation. thanks for your initiative, I will be interested. Christoph [1] http://groups.drupal.org/location-and-mapping [2] irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal-geo --strk; () Free GIS & Flash consultant/developer /\ http://strk.keybit.net/services.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- AGIT 2010 7.-9. Juli 2010 in Salzburg Treffen Sie die WhereGroup an Stand Nr. 30 http://www.agit.at -- Aufwind durch Wissen! Qualifizierte OpenSource-Schulungen bei der www.foss-academy.eu -- ___ W h e r e G r o u p GmbH & Co. KG Siemensstraße 8 53121 Bonn Germany Christoph Baudson Anwendungsentwickler Fon: +49 (0)228 / 90 90 38 - 15 Fax: +49 (0)228 / 90 90 38 - 11 christoph.baud...@wheregroup.com www.wheregroup.com Amtsgericht Bonn, HRA 6788 ___ Komplementärin: WhereGroup Verwaltungs GmbH vertreten durch: Olaf Knopp, Peter Stamm ___ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] land records management with open source GIS
Puneet, I have several loosely coupled applications that web-enable land records: * Land records search, scanned document retrieval, link to mapserver; http://www2.tetonwyo.org/clerk/query/ * Mapserver linked to land records (use info tool, follow "Clerk" link) and linked to property taxes (follow "Treasurer" link from info tool) and appraisal/assessment data (follow "Assessor" link) http://www2.tetonwyo.org/mapserver * Property taxes: http://www2.tetonwyo.org/clerk/treas/ These applications are for county government. They are in use in several counties in Idaho & Wyoming. They present the data on the web to the public and county staff, but at this point they do not manager the data (read only display, not input/edit). They are based on Postgres/PostGIS, OpenLayers, MapServer, PHP. Best regards, Rich On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:24 PM, P Kishor wrote: > does anyone know of an existing product, or a firm that develops such > a product catering to cadastral and land records management, but using > a completely open source stack? > > -- > Puneet Kishor > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com www.greenwoodmap.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] land records management with open source GIS
Hi Puneet, I'm not aware of anything out of the box as of today, but the OSCAR project is certainly worth a look. It's described in a recent FAO publication - http://www.fig.net/pub/fao/floss_cadastre.pdf (also contains a section on OsGeo, courtesy of Arnulf Christl). There's also my own pet project - http://code.google.com/p/backsight/ It's focus is on data entry from old maps (it only cares about the spatial side of things). Currently pre-alpha, but based on something that actually works in the real world. Steve Stanton --- On Mon, 21/6/10, P Kishor wrote: > From: P Kishor > Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] land records management with open source GIS > To: "OSGeo Discussions" > Date: Monday, 21 June, 2010, 6:24 > does anyone know of an existing > product, or a firm that develops such > a product catering to cadastral and land records > management, but using > a completely open source stack? > > -- > Puneet Kishor ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
