[OSGeo-Discuss] How to request a new OSGeo mailing list?
Hi, Following a BOF session at FOSS4G-NA we would like a have a mailing list to enable collaboration between all people interested in WebGL for geospatial applications. How can I go about asking OSGeo to create such a list? I could not find this information on the OSGeo wiki, and emails to mail...@lists.osgeo.org are bouncing. Many thanks, Tom Payne Camptocamp SA -- Camptocamp SA Tom PAYNE PSE A CH-1015 Lausanne +41 21 619 10 13 (direct) +41 21 619 10 10 (centrale) +41 21 619 10 00 (fax) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to request a new OSGeo mailing list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom, the right place to ask for this is the SAC mailing list. After having confirmed that this list makes sense please file a ticket there. Someone from SAC has to confirm that this list makes sense, I herewith do this. Please create the ticket and I will then set up the list and make you the initial maintainer. Cheers, Arnulf On 19.04.2012 13:16, Tom Payne wrote: Hi, Following a BOF session at FOSS4G-NA we would like a have a mailing list to enable collaboration between all people interested in WebGL for geospatial applications. How can I go about asking OSGeo to create such a list? I could not find this information on the OSGeo wiki, and emails to mail...@lists.osgeo.org are bouncing. Many thanks, Tom Payne Camptocamp SA - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+P9bAACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b36agCdG0eJRaDKaivrI3b1RR8u2mo/ xHcAn2Yt08imwTLuu6Io8qdkE+YTQ3J2 =/a6W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to request a new OSGeo mailing list?
Thanks Arnulf, I've created the ticket: http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/883 Regards, Tom On 19 April 2012 13:23, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom, the right place to ask for this is the SAC mailing list. After having confirmed that this list makes sense please file a ticket there. Someone from SAC has to confirm that this list makes sense, I herewith do this. Please create the ticket and I will then set up the list and make you the initial maintainer. Cheers, Arnulf On 19.04.2012 13:16, Tom Payne wrote: Hi, Following a BOF session at FOSS4G-NA we would like a have a mailing list to enable collaboration between all people interested in WebGL for geospatial applications. How can I go about asking OSGeo to create such a list? I could not find this information on the OSGeo wiki, and emails to mail...@lists.osgeo.org are bouncing. Many thanks, Tom Payne Camptocamp SA - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+P9bAACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b36agCdG0eJRaDKaivrI3b1RR8u2mo/ xHcAn2Yt08imwTLuu6Io8qdkE+YTQ3J2 =/a6W -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Camptocamp SA Tom PAYNE PSE A CH-1015 Lausanne +41 21 619 10 13 (direct) +41 21 619 10 10 (centrale) +41 21 619 10 00 (fax) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Changing this list to Reply to Poster NOW
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Folks, every now and then private mails end up on this list because it is still set to automatically Reply to List even although this is not recommended. Reply to List is my personal favorite because I never think much when hitting reply and always intend to address the list. Whenever I do write a personally insulting or private mail it is intentional and I know what I am doing. But most other people seem to work the other way round. (Ha, that was a nice global insult) Now: Changing this setting is a big thing to do. And there will be exactly two [1] exactly opposite [2] opinions on which way round it should be done. And each party has perfect arguments. Protecting the personal integrity of people is more important than being lazy, so I [3] changed this setting AS OF NOW. This means that you will now have to hit Reply List to talk to the world or Reply All and manually remove individuals. Sorry for the extra work. Thank you for your attention and happy mailing. Arnulf [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html [3] I am your president so there is no need for discussion (but I recommend you to get a new one in the elections this fall, this one is becoming overly narcissistic). - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+QAT0ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b36wgCeIkToJl0781gNeN59aGWJ/ihJ akwAnA8Jp4sJ+0HtuXRx3VuqwOD+Ls0I =0gXw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changing this list to Reply to Poster NOW
Hi, On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Folks, every now and then private mails end up on this list because it is still set to automatically Reply to List even although this is not recommended. Reply to List is my personal favorite because I never think much when hitting reply and always intend to address the list. Whenever I do write a personally insulting or private mail it is intentional and I know what I am doing. But most other people seem to work the other way round. (Ha, that was a nice global insult) Now: Changing this setting is a big thing to do. And there will be exactly two [1] exactly opposite [2] opinions on which way round it should be done. And each party has perfect arguments. Protecting the personal integrity of people is more important than being lazy, so I [3] changed this setting AS OF NOW. This means that you will now have to hit Reply List to talk to the world or Reply All and manually remove individuals. Sorry for the extra work. Thanks, I think that extra work is not the end of the world respect to the benefit. I suggest to read: http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.htmlBest, madi Thank you for your attention and happy mailing. Arnulf [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html [3] I am your president so there is no need for discussion (but I recommend you to get a new one in the elections this fall, this one is becoming overly narcissistic). - -- Exploring Space, Time and Mind http://arnulf.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+QAT0ACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b36wgCeIkToJl0781gNeN59aGWJ/ihJ akwAnA8Jp4sJ+0HtuXRx3VuqwOD+Ls0I =0gXw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Ing. Margherita Di Leo, Ph.D. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Changing this list to Reply to Poster NOW
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Margherita Di Leo dileomargher...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Folks, every now and then private mails end up on this list because it is still set to automatically Reply to List even although this is not recommended. +1 to change that ... Thanks, I think that extra work is not the end of the world Not for the world but for the unlucky sender perhaps yes. I witnessed several bad accidental reply-to-lists and they urged me to polish the mailing list archive (PITA). And yes, it was harmful. So also read this: http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Do you run an OSGeo committe or chapter?
We are setting up a contact list on the wiki, inventorying all the various committees and local chapters. Pls take a minute to review this wiki page and make any additions you see fit: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Contacts -mpg ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Place names and Points of Interest -- Interest Group starting up
Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: public-po...@w3.org From: Raj Singh rsi...@opengeospatial.org Date: April 19, 2012 2:19:03 PM EDT To: public-po...@w3.org W3C public-po...@w3.org, openpoidb-annou...@lists.opengeospatial.org Subject: Place names and Points of Interest -- Interest Group starting up Over the past few years, a strong community of interest has evolved around information technologies for developing databases of place names and points of interest, and also the search interfaces and gazetteers that provide the query tools for these databases. This email is an invitation to join an ad hoc, international group of people interested in implementing these systems, which I'll just call POIs for short. I've been involved in the World Wide Web POI Working Group [1], which approached the topic from an information modeling standpoint, and the American Assoc. of Geographers workshop, where practitioners shared their experiences. Many of us now feel the time is right to keep the momentum going, and have a slightly more formal channel for occasional communication. Some of us are implementing the W3C's draft spec [2], and are looking to partner in my effort to create a unified, global linked database of all POI information with the OpenPOIs Repository [3]. And some are just looking for data modeling commiseration. No matter what your take on the POI world is, please join us. If you're interested, please do the following: 1) Subscribe to this mailing list: https://lists.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/openpois-users all communications about meeting times and phone numbers will be there 2) Join us for monthly teleconferences These will occur at 3pm UTC / 11am US Eastern on the first Thursday of each month. The teleconference line is +1 760 569 7100 passcode: 616269 3) Pass along this email to whomever you think may be interested in joining the conversation! [1] http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/documents/Core/latest [3] http://openpoi.ogcnetwork.net/ p.s. my organization, the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC), is providing the mailing list and teleconference line for this group, but this is in no way a standards effort, or in any way sponsored by OGC, or represents an official position of OGC. - Raj Singh rsi...@opengeospatial.org +1 (617) 642-9372 The OGC: Making location count. http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/rsingh ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you run an OSGeo committe or chapter?
On 20/04/2012 4:07 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: We are setting up a contact list on the wiki, inventorying all the various committees and local chapters. Pls take a minute to review this wiki page and make any additions you see fit: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Contacts -mpg ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Michael, we also have: http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html I suggest that the page above redirect to the new contacts wiki page you have created, otherwise they are likely to both get updated separately, and then both be partially complete. (PS, I like the fact that you have set up a wiki, it is much easier to maintain) -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
On 20/04/2012 4:06 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: Do we have any policies and cost structures for the Ambassador function yet? I've seen a few people talking about creating an OSGeo Ambassador role. Arnulf I think might have been the first to mention it, and I think it is an excellent idea. I'm also aware that the OGC are considering developing OGC ambassadors too. So I'd like to open the floor and see what people think an ambassador's role could involve, which leads into the qualities we would wish our ambassador's to have, which leads into the ways we may select an ambassador. Let me start by noting some of the driving factors: 1. Arnulf has noted that as OSGeo president, he has spent a significant amount of time on areoplanes travelling around the world to talk on behalf of OSGeo. He has suggested that this role should be shared. Conference organisors, who have a primary goal of attracting attendees, look for authoritative figureheads to talk at conferences. They are expected to have a deep insight into a specific domain, such as OSGeo. They should also speak well, even better if they are entertaining. 2. OSGeo is a sexy topic has many conferences, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of conferences around the world which would like to see an OSGeo presence. 3. OSGeo is fortunate to draw membership from around the world, including boasting a number of very healthy local chapters. As such, we are likely to have potential ambassadors in most counties. (We might be a bit short in Antarctica) 4. There are times when negotiating MOUs or similar with other countries, it would be useful to have someone local speak with authority on behalf of OSGeo. 5. Note that there are conflicting interests here of wanting to open up the role for anyone who volunteers, verses maintaining a selectiveness and prestige for the role which is the key selection criteria for conferences asking for an ambassador. As such, I think it important that ambassadors can only be voted into the position, and not handed out to anyone. We already vote for a board, and charter members. I think board members should be considered ambassadors by default. Should charter members be considered ambassadors? Charter members only get this role after demonstrating a commitment to OSGeo, so will likely have a reasonable depth of OSGeo knowledge. Maybe we should ask for a history of speaking well (as demonstrated at conferences), to the ambassador criteria. Then lastly, do we wish to invite ambassadors from a greater circle? At this point, I'd probably err on saying no, as if the entry bar to becoming an ambassador is too easy, then the mystic of the role will be lost. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
Cameron, thanks for bringing this up for discussion. A couple things to note: - in some cases, the Board might decide that it is important enough to have an Ambassador at an event that the Foundation would cover travel expenses - it is unlikely that the Foundation would be able to cover the costs of the Ambassador's time, however; aside from the expense involved and trying to determine a fair uniform hourly rate, I could see that turn into a fight for who gets to go; but on the other hand, a nominal fee might help enable some of us who are self-employed or similar to fill the ambassador role - some events/functions might require the Ambassador be a Board member as well (as in the case of the email of mine which Cameron quotes) -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:24 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role On 20/04/2012 4:06 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote: Do we have any policies and cost structures for the Ambassador function yet? I've seen a few people talking about creating an OSGeo Ambassador role. Arnulf I think might have been the first to mention it, and I think it is an excellent idea. I'm also aware that the OGC are considering developing OGC ambassadors too. So I'd like to open the floor and see what people think an ambassador's role could involve, which leads into the qualities we would wish our ambassador's to have, which leads into the ways we may select an ambassador. Let me start by noting some of the driving factors: 1. Arnulf has noted that as OSGeo president, he has spent a significant amount of time on areoplanes travelling around the world to talk on behalf of OSGeo. He has suggested that this role should be shared. Conference organisors, who have a primary goal of attracting attendees, look for authoritative figureheads to talk at conferences. They are expected to have a deep insight into a specific domain, such as OSGeo. They should also speak well, even better if they are entertaining. 2. OSGeo is a sexy topic has many conferences, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of conferences around the world which would like to see an OSGeo presence. 3. OSGeo is fortunate to draw membership from around the world, including boasting a number of very healthy local chapters. As such, we are likely to have potential ambassadors in most counties. (We might be a bit short in Antarctica) 4. There are times when negotiating MOUs or similar with other countries, it would be useful to have someone local speak with authority on behalf of OSGeo. 5. Note that there are conflicting interests here of wanting to open up the role for anyone who volunteers, verses maintaining a selectiveness and prestige for the role which is the key selection criteria for conferences asking for an ambassador. As such, I think it important that ambassadors can only be voted into the position, and not handed out to anyone. We already vote for a board, and charter members. I think board members should be considered ambassadors by default. Should charter members be considered ambassadors? Charter members only get this role after demonstrating a commitment to OSGeo, so will likely have a reasonable depth of OSGeo knowledge. Maybe we should ask for a history of speaking well (as demonstrated at conferences), to the ambassador criteria. Then lastly, do we wish to invite ambassadors from a greater circle? At this point, I'd probably err on saying no, as if the entry bar to becoming an ambassador is too easy, then the mystic of the role will be lost. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
Dear all, following up on Michael's e-mail, I have to say that I find the idea of having OSGEO ambassadors very useful and I think that we should keep it to a limited number of people (maybe about a dozen as a maximum) geographically spread all over the globe. Moreover, I would like to take the opportunity to put forward some additional concerns. I have followed in this list some (sometimes fierce) discussions about managerial issues of the OSGEO (e.g. the discussion on the decision to have no Executive Director, the discussion on the responsibilities for the Beijing conference and so on). I am still missing the discussion (at the discussion list) of a more complete and coherent plan on how we think OSGEO should go on for the next couple of years. I think that having Ambassadors or not should be part of a greater plan on how we think OSGEO should handle (sometimes practical) issues like its representation in events, its public face, the conferences we want to put together (and how) and so on ... Thus my request is to discuss the whatever plan as a whole and not as individual ideas. My apologies for opening up again a discussion that might already be obsolete :) Best regards, Dimitris Kotzinos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
Dimitris: No apologies needed, it is an important discussion to have! But as you are aware, there are no easy answers. The Board of Directors has been discussing these issues a lot, both on lists and in face-to-face meetings. The problem is that OSGeo has a very broad charter and a very diverse membership, and so it is hard to just say we should do this or we should do that without looking at all the tradeoffs involved. And furthermore, doing anything substantial requires funding, which is hard to get without a clear set of goals and objectives to take to potential sponsors -- and so it's a circular problem. One of the first steps we know we need to take, before we can go after any real sponsorship funding, is to fix some long-standing problems with our accounting practices and our unclear nonprofit status; both of those are being worked on actively right now (by Daniel and me). Another needed step is to revive the Marketing committee; Arnulf and Cameron are doing that right now as well. That said, a lesson we're coming to grips with is that certain business development and back-office functions are not well-suited to a volunteer-based organization or even a single paid Executive Director generalist -- those jobs require specific skillsets, which some of us think it might be best to outsource or partner with another allied nonprofit organization. Since the board is made up of volunteers spread across the globe, it's hard to be able to move as fast on any of these issues as I would like, but I do think the current board is slowly digging our way through all this. For more discussions on this stuff, I'd encourage you to join the board list. -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dimitris Kotzinos Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:50 PM To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE: Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role Dear all, following up on Michael's e-mail, I have to say that I find the idea of having OSGEO ambassadors very useful and I think that we should keep it to a limited number of people (maybe about a dozen as a maximum) geographically spread all over the globe. Moreover, I would like to take the opportunity to put forward some additional concerns. I have followed in this list some (sometimes fierce) discussions about managerial issues of the OSGEO (e.g. the discussion on the decision to have no Executive Director, the discussion on the responsibilities for the Beijing conference and so on). I am still missing the discussion (at the discussion list) of a more complete and coherent plan on how we think OSGEO should go on for the next couple of years. I think that having Ambassadors or not should be part of a greater plan on how we think OSGEO should handle (sometimes practical) issues like its representation in events, its public face, the conferences we want to put together (and how) and so on ... Thus my request is to discuss the whatever plan as a whole and not as individual ideas. My apologies for opening up again a discussion that might already be obsolete :) Best regards, Dimitris Kotzinos ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
