Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo and Open Data?

[Adam Steer]

Hi, speaking as:

- a new player in the OSgeo world
- a person occupying a desk in an agency tasked with publishing data 
(fulfilling Gert-Jan’s point 3)

…and repeating other voices here - I see some form of data advocacy as really 
useful in OSgeo world, in particular in uptake of data sources for 
applications. A really quick example is something like the QGIS openlayers 
plugin. Awesome tool, but how do developers decide which data to include? 
Preferably reliable, easy to work with, standards-based, self-describing data. 
And how did it happen? Some developers saw a bunch of reliable data that could 
be applied in a useful way and developed something. Yin and yang so to speak - 
and agreeing a lot with Jody’s point of view.

I also agree with Benoit - data quality and accessibility issues apply to all 
forms of data - which makes good metadata and provenance information critical 
in deciding how to use data that are available (ie, is it possible to find the 
documents describing how the data were made? how can you find QA/QC information 
on the data?).

So what did the OSgeo geodata committee do previously? and what would/could it 
do if it were woken up? (feel free to contact me off list to discuss that)

Cheers, I hope this discussion continues :)

Adam
 


> On 20 Oct 2016, at 9:00 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 3 cents:
> 
> 1) take another 27 minutes to (re-)enjoy Ton Zijlstra's keynote at FOSS4G.
> At that time in the schedule (9 .am, in the morning after the FOSS4G boat 
> trip probably missed by some of the attendees, but in his talks Ton 
> challenges the geospatial community in general, and the FOSS4G community in 
> spatial to play an essential role in leveraging the value of open data to a 
> higher level. 
> A bit less laid-back than Arnulf's talk, so it requires probably a bit more 
> of your attention ;-)
> 
> 2) Apart from that, Tim Berners-Lee 5-star system is an almost essential 
> ingredient in any talk on open data
> 
> 3) there's a serious distinction between crowd sourced data such as OSM 
> (which is collected with no specific goal in mind) and opening data by local 
> and national governments. 
> The latter is about data that has been collected for a specific purpose, and 
> is now, as open data, brought to a broader audience in order to: 
> a) give the tax-payers insight in data-collections (transparancy of 
> governance, a merely socio-political goal) and 
> b) find out if the same data can fulfil another purpose (either within or 
> outside the government, thus a merely economical goal)
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> 
> Gert-Jan
> 
> 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Codrina Maria 
> Ilie
> Verzonden: woensdag 19 oktober 2016 18:22
> Aan: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo and Open Data?
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Probably the best argument for the strong connection between the 'software 
> development foundation' we fundamentally are and data is the talk Arnulf gave 
> at FOSS4G Bonn: Software comes and goes. Mind the Data! 
> [https://vimeo.com/187556741]. Furthermore, I believe that the affinity 
> between the philosophy of open source and open data is indisputable.
> 
> That being said, I would like to mention a discussion me and Vasile prepared 
> and facilitated within the workshop 'Open data priorities and engagement — 
> identifying data sets for publication' 
> [https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/Timisoara/agenda].
> 
> Context: workshop organized within the share PSI 2.0 project: The network for 
> innovation in European public sector information 
> [https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/].
> 
> The name of our session was Free our Maps and the preparation can be found 
> here 
> [https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/wiki/images/b/b5/Abstract_free_our_maps.pdf].
>  
> Notes take by Ingo Simonis fron OGC can be found here 
> [https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/Timisoara/Freemaps]. The issues 
> we tried to tackle there were identified during the work we did in the 
> http://geoidea.ro/ project, a project for catalyzing and pushing forward the 
> open gov geodata initiative in Romania.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Codrina
> 
> 
> 
> On 18/10/16 01:27, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> I have my "welcome
>> "
>> talk which covers what we do around here (open data, open standards, 
>> open source, open collaboration).
>> 
>> Open data is a big part of what makes this community awesome.
>> 
>> That said OSGeo originally had open data as part of our mandate (with 
>> a committee etc...). This mandate was scaled back last year, to 
>> recognize that OSGeo is now pursuing open data through relationships 
>> with other communities (such as the open layers community).
>> 
>> So to fit in with your theme, OSM / GeoNames / Natural Earth provide 
>> the "open data" and OSGeo provides the "in ac

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Maxi, Cameron and all,

Perhaps the term "Education Committee" could be replaced with
Geo4All as it represents the educational outreach project of
OSGeo.

Mapbuilder which is listed as an Foundation project has
retired [1] and and can be removed or shown
"Past Project".

Regarding "Public Geodata Project", I expressed my views in
the recent e-mail [2]. I would be happy to work together with
anyone who would like to take up on forming the "Data4All"
initiative with OSM, HOT and others in the Open Data
community.

Best

Venka

[1] 
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.jp/2008/07/end-of-life-for-community-mapbuilder-we_29.html

[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-October/016812.html

On 10/21/2016 4:53 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi Maxi,

I'm not sure our software incubation checklist is the correct criteria 
to apply to "OSGeo Outreach Projects".


--

The education committee is a huge success story of OSGeo, attracting 
educators from around the world who are promoting Open Source to 
future generations. OSGeo should be promoting this community.


OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist

One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect 
and should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live 
not to be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


--
The OSGeo Data Committee is a great idea, but has lost impetus. This 
might be a candidate for dropping from the home page. Possibly we 
should be pointing people to Open Street Map or similar.


Warm regards, Cameron

On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Maxi,

I'm not sure our software incubation checklist is the correct criteria 
to apply to "OSGeo Outreach Projects".


--

The education committee is a huge success story of OSGeo, attracting 
educators from around the world who are promoting Open Source to future 
generations. OSGeo should be promoting this community.


OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way 
for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a 
high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered 
taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:


https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist

One concern I have is that OSGeo-Live includes more projects than just 
those incubated. A casual observer would naturally deduce that if 
OSGeo-Live has reached incubation quality, then all included packages 
should have also reached such quality. This assumption is incorrect and 
should not be promoted by OSGeo, and is a reason for OSGeo-Live not to 
be officially recognised as an OSGeo incubated project.


--
The OSGeo Data Committee is a great idea, but has lost impetus. This 
might be a candidate for dropping from the home page. Possibly we should 
be pointing people to Open Street Map or similar.


Warm regards, Cameron

On 21/10/2016 12:20 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org ) in 
the "OSGeo projects" frame are listed the so called "Outreach Projects".


To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public 
Geospatial Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been 
nor incubated nor graduated.


I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my 
understanding is correct, to immediately remove these projects from 
the landing page.


Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other 
OSGeo committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and 
listed togheter.


Best,
Maxi



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Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica

Responsabile settore Geomatica


Istituto scienze della Terra

Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design

Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana

Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio

Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14

Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09

massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch 

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Massimiliano Cannata]

dear Board,
in the OSGeo landing page (www.osgeo.org) in the "OSGeo projects" frame are
listed the so called "Outreach Projects".

To my understanding and knowledge these listed projects (Public Geospatial
Data, Education and Curriculum, OSGeo Live) have not been nor incubated nor
graduated.

I'm therefore asking for clarification, and in the case my understanding is
correct, to immediately remove these projects from the landing page.

Two of them are actually committee, at the same level of the other OSGeo
committee, that in my opinion should be equally promoted and listed
togheter.

Best,
Maxi



-- 
*Massimiliano Cannata*

Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica

Responsabile settore Geomatica


Istituto scienze della Terra

Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design

Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana

Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio

Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14

Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09

massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch

*www.supsi.ch/ist *
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