Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

2017-03-27 Thread Jonathan Moules 
Hi Suchith,
The only real way to limit the use of the word Open would be to register it as 
a trademark. To the best of my knowledge, none of the big Open Source 
initiatives have done this which would suggest it's not a good idea for some 
reason. Apparently someone tried to trademark "Open Source Hardware" but was 
rejected: https://opensource.com/law/13/5/os-hardware-trademark-rejected

The other option, in the UK at least, is if an advertisement claimed to be Open 
but the thing wasn't, you could always raise a complaint with the Advertising 
Standard Agency, but I believe they're fairly toothless

As to "business ethics" - that's a clearcut oxymoron if ever I've seen one.

Cheers,
Jonathan


 On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:17:40 + Suchith 
Anand wrote  

My query was if the term Open can be used for marketing any properitery 
softwares and platforms and to know if there are any guidelines on this? This 
definition Ravi Kumar send is helpful to help me understand one aspect of this 
. Thanks Ravi Kumar.

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: Jody Garnett 
Sent: 25 March 2017 7:21 AM
To: Ravi Kumar; Anand Suchith
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; geofor...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to 
market thier properitery product as Open ?

And here is the biz model definition, I would be interested if the original 
poster can clarify in which context the word was used :)
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 9:55 PM Ravi Kumar 
>;
 wrote:
This is a good thread, and let us discuss to derive a 'Note', for those facing 
'Questions', evangelising Free and Open GIS.

I suggest this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_platform for many who wish to 
know.
May be we can have a page on, 'OSGeo Wiki' on this topic.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Suchith Anand 
>;
 wrote:

Hi all,


I have a query. If a properitery GIS vendor starts marketing thier properitery 
products as Open platform and software then what rights do the organisations 
and customers have who are mislead buying the properitery software thinking it 
is open have ? The definision of Proprietary software [1] is very clearly 
defined, so how can it be possible for any properitery GIS vendor to market 
their software knowingly as open platform if it is properitery?


This also greatly affects the business and revenues of true open source 
software companies . Who is responsible for any misleading marketing that 
results in losses to both customers who are mislead to buy the properitery 
software thinking it is open and also to other companies who do true open 
source business who lose out on the business opportunities? Is it right 
business ethics to do this?


Best wishes,

Suchith


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

2017-03-27 Thread Jonathan Moules 
Hi Mateusz,
I'd suggest it depends on the nature of the secret. There are certainly rare 
circumstances where they came in useful - Enigma being broken in WW2 being a 
prime example.

But more recently consider all of the revelations of the innumerable security 
bugs that the CIA/NSA (and no doubt their kin in other countries too) have been 
hoarding and keeping secret so they can use them for their own nefarious 
purposes. By keeping them secret rather than disclosing them responsibly as is 
the industry standard, they exposed everyone to increased risk. Anyone could 
have discovered those same vulnerabilities independently and packaged them into 
malware, and this likely did happen.

Even if you want to stay in the business world, how long were the tobacco 
companies suppressing knowledge of tobacco's harms and keeping secret any 
studies that disagreed with their "it's good for you" stance?
Or food labelling laws - company's would love to keep secret what they're 
putting in food, not just to hide it from competitors, but so they could put 
cheap (but harmful) things in that no-one would know about (see recent 
horse-meat scandals as an example, even with the regulations - that was a 
secret, though fortunately not necessarily harmful).

Unfortunately, company's abuse secrets, and governments do it even more (just 
read your country's equivalent of Private Eye (a UK magazine that highlights 
hypocrisy/corruption/etc in public figures) for regular examples).

Cheers,
Jonathan

 On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:38:44 + Mateusz 
Loskot wrote  

On 25 March 2017 at 13:01, Paolo Cavallini  wrote:
> Il 25/03/2017 12:56, Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:
>
>> They do, but at the same time, we wouldn't be where we are now
>> in terms of civilisation development. yin/yang
>
> Not quite sure about that: Mateusz, do you have a reference to support 
this?

It is just my opinion and interpretation of what I have learned about/from
history, state of current affairs.

If there was no Soviet Union and USA, man would have arrived on the Moon
much later than he actually did. I'm certain, but I can't prove it, obviously.

Nobody is asking for reference regarding the misleading practices
implied in the thread.
OP's posed questions vaguely enough to make it impossible to pertain to
with any relevant references.

Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fixed featured sponsors

2017-03-27 Thread Jeff McKenna 

Hi all,

I've fixed an issue on the http://www.osgeo.org/ homepage that displayed 
only former sponsor logos in the right "Featured Sponsors" panel; now 
the current sponsor logos are displayed randomly.


Please let me know if you see any other changes needed to the site.  Thanks,

-jeff


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

2017-03-27 Thread Jeff McKenna 

On 2017-03-21 12:19 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote:


I think foss4g website (or was it just video?) is also using Gogs.
Jeff ?

RE: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo


Hi Sandro!

Yes the FOSS4G-Boston site is in OSGeo Gogs (at 
https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/FOSS4G-Boston-2017/foss4g2017-web); I'll 
likely move that into the main FOSS4G Gogs at some point, with the other 
repositories like video etc. (https://git.osgeo.org/gogs/foss4g).   For 
those of you interested in actually seeing the list of Gogs repositories 
for FOSS4G, see this screen capture: http://pasteboard.co/OxHt5GBfG.png


But really the gold standard (and still gets lots of constant love from 
me) is the FOSS4G subversion repository which has archives of FOSS4G 
files from 2017 back to 2003 (https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/).  I 
recently archived some more documents from Nottingham, and found some 
missing past proposals.  I do always ask organizing committees to 
archive, but must ignore me, so I take the time to do that.  I'm used to 
doing it by now ha.   I consider that and the FOSS4G lessons learned 
pages a priority.


-jeff


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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo's GSoC 2017 - only 7 days left for student applications - last chance for proactive students!

2017-03-27 Thread Helmut Kudrnovsky 
Dear OSGeo community, students,
 

* according to the Google Summer of Code 2017 Timeline [1]:

 April 3 16:00 UTC  Student application deadline

there will be only 7 days left for student applications.


* @Students: 

Browse the ideas page at [2] and carefully read the recommendation for 
students, particularly the application instructions at [3].


* Quoting verbatim from Google Admins: 

"Historically, the students with the best proposals reach out to the orgs early 
to receive 
feedback before submitting their final proposal." 

So don't wait until it is to late to give you feedback, but instead join the 
communication 
channels of your chosen software community and discuss over the proposal.


*Please forward this email to your software communities*

Happy coding!

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[OSGeo-Discuss] QGIS : vector Geoprocessing algorithms implementation

2017-03-27 Thread Manish Kumar 
Hello,

I am Manish Kumar, a pre-final year student of Indian Institute of
Technology Roorkee. I am proficient in using Data structures and
implementing algorithms in C++.
Being a geophysicist I want to work on the idea titled "Improve vector
Geoprocessing algorithms".

Please guide me with the necessary steps.


Regards
Manish Kumar
Indian Institute of Technology(IIT) Roorkee.
Mob: +91-9430774132

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