Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?
I would also be interested. Have not read the entire thread yet. That said, most (all?) large app and software providers now offer open APIs. Check out Google, Twitter, Amazon and on and on. These APIs are "open" because anyone can implement, use, develop, etc. You could even use the API definition to implement your own API against your own back end servers. Based on the license type (often Apache) the caveat is that you could not sell that "new" API. Now, of course, all of these open APIs access one or more back end server apps or services and there may are may not be a fee for using those apps or services. Most of these software and infrastructure companies allow limited free use of the back end service and/or geospatial data access. Obviously, there is some continuum of what the market says about what is open and what is not. So, if the API is open and the client is free and there is free (but limited) access to proprietary services and data, is this open? Interesting question :-) Cheers Carl On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote: > And here is the biz model definition, I would be interested if the > original poster can clarify in which context the word was used :) > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 9:55 PM Ravi Kumar <manarajahmundry2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> This is a good thread, and let us discuss to derive a 'Note', for those >> facing 'Questions', evangelising Free and Open GIS. >> >> I suggest this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_platform for many who >> wish to know. >> May be we can have a page on, 'OSGeo Wiki' on this topic. >> Cheers >> Ravi Kumar >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Suchith Anand < >> suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a query. If a properitery GIS vendor starts marketing thier >> properitery products as Open platform and software then what rights do the >> organisations and customers have who are mislead buying the properitery >> software thinking it is open have ? The definision of Proprietary >> software [1] is very clearly defined, so how can it be possible for any >> properitery GIS vendor to market their software knowingly as open platform >> if it is properitery? >> >> This also greatly affects the business and revenues of true open source >> software companies . Who is responsible for any misleading marketing that >> results in losses to both customers who are mislead to buy the >> properitery software thinking it is open and also to other companies >> who do true open source business who lose out on the business >> opportunities? Is it right business ethics to do this? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Suchith >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software >> >> >> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee >> and may contain confidential information. If you have received this >> message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. >> >> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this >> message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the >> author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the >> University of Nottingham. >> >> This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an >> attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your >> computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email >> communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as >> permitted by UK legislation. >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- > -- > Jody Garnett > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 “Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.” — Thomas Jefferson, U.S. Founding Father ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] A note regarding Executive Order on Immigration
Guido - Thank you for your email! While not OSGeo specific, Doug and Glen (AAG Executive Director and President) issued a statement today: AAG Statement on President Trump’s Executive Order. http://news.aag.org/2017/01/aag-statement-on-president-trumps-executive-order/ I believe their statement captures the essence of how many feel about Trump's extremely ill-considered executive order. Regards Carl On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Guido Stein <gst...@appgeo.com> wrote: > Dear OSGeo Community, > > My name is Guido Stein and I am the co-chair of FOSS4G Boston 2017. I have > had the honor of working with the community on this conference as well as > meeting many folks in the community at the Bonn event. I have been building > spatial community in Boston for over a decade and am have really enjoyed > becoming a part of the larger OSGeo community in the last couple of years. > > The Boston Local Organizing committee is made up of a diverse group of > folks who had from day one planned on making this event as inclusive as we > can make possible. We have been very excited about the potential > interaction between visiting attendees from all over the globe and our > thriving local community of academics, developers, managers, and end users. > > I am writing you all today as co-chair of the conference and as a member > of the community to address some recent events in the U.S.A.. My team and > I would like to let everyone know that we welcome anyone interested in > attending the FOSS4G Boston 2017 event. We welcome you with open arms and > will do whatever we can to help you get the most out of attending this > event. > > I know that there is concern and fear about the Exective Order on > Immigration and this weekend left many people in shock and awe. I would > like to open a dialogue here on the discussion list to let people share > with us any of your concerns and let us know what we might be able to do to > assist you and others in attending this conference. We do not have all the > answers, but we will attempt to address your concerns related to the > conference the best we can. > > Finally, we do not set policy for OSGeo, FOSS4G (other than our specific > event), or the U.S. Government, so please understand that we are a small > group of volunteers and are trying to help, but our realm of assistance is > limited to this year's FOSS4G and the resource we have access to. > > With warm regards, > > Guido Stein > > Co-Chair FOSS4G Boston 2017 > > This e-mail message and any attachments may contain confidential or > legally privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient or > otherwise authorized to receive this message, you should not use, copy, > distribute, disclose or take any action based on the information contained > in this e-mail or any attachments. If you have received this message and > material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and > delete this message. Thank you on behalf of Applied Geographics, Inc. > (AppGeo). > _______ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Interior/accessibility mapping for FOSDEM
Any idea if the group is considering the potential use of InDoorGML for modeling and encoding indoor navigation data? The conceptual model for InDoorGML is focused on the requirements for indoor navigation. http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/indoorgml http://geoawesomeness.com/online-course-of-indoorgml-the-standard-for-navigation-inside-buildings/ Thanks Carl On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Jeff McKenna < jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote: > Forwarding the cool things happening for FOSDEM! > > > > > Forwarded Message > > Hi all, > > FOSDEM[1] is the largest open source conference of Europe and will be > happening the first weekend of february. > > For the first time this year the organizers are trying to make an > application (interior mapping/routing) to help people, especially > users of wheelchairs find their way around the campus. > > Our original plan was to use and enhance Open streetmap for this, but > given the short time left (and the fact that indoor mapping + > accessibility + a temporary event are not ideal i open streetmap) it > was decided to use the indoor navigation software developed for CCC. > > Work is happening in github[2], and you can check work in progress at > [3]. If you would like to help out, feel free to contact me or send a > pull request:-) You can also find us on freenode irc on > #fosdem-volunteers and #fosdem-nav. Since we have a few members who > are working at or close to ULB, it may also be useful that they check > the proposed routes and watch eg for steps. If we know it well enough > in advance we can still order ramps for doorsills, ... > > Also during the event (and on friday) we can still use volunteers. > Feel free to register at http://volunteers.fosdem.org/ > > Last but not least, don't forget that on Sunday there will be a > geospatial track - I'm sure there will be talks which will interest > you :-) We will have a slightly larger room, so all invited! > https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/track/geospatial/ > > Kind Regards, > Johan > > [1] https://fosdem.org/2017/ > [2] https://github.com/fosdem/maps > [3] http://nav.fosdem.org/ > ___ > > > > > _______ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Detect and define the coordinate system of gis data with no projection information automatically
Julien -
The EPSG is what the OGC considers normative. This is because there are
humans in the loop that process requests for new a CRS to be added to the
EPSG database. The humans are geodesy experts who validate the
"correctness" or validity of a submitted CRS. After review, most submitted
CRSs are included in the EPSG database and available via registry
interfaces, such as provided by the OGC. Obviously, the process can take a
while as the humans are volunteers.
The primary problem with a totally open CRS registry is validation. In the
100% situation, anyone can submit and have included a CRS in the registry.
At that point, every entry in the registry becomes suspect as to its
mathematical correctness and geodetic validity. The problem is exacerbated
if anyone can edit existing entries. Then the entire registry becomes
suspect and buyer beware - along with potential liability/litigation.
So, if there is a decision to move forward within the OSGeo community to
provide a CRS registry, I would suggest also providing a governance
mechanism and/or process to ensure as best as possible the validity of
entries in the registry.
My two cents on this topic!
Regards
Carl Reed
Long time geo guy
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Julien Moquet <moquet.jul...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> How open is the OGC registry ?
> If data came from EPSG, it will not be really open : they never answer the
> request I sent.
> I think it's a human scalability problem (not really maintained).
>
> The idea is to make an open registry.
> May be it can use OGC registry, but projects might want to superseed it
> when request are not taken into account.
> Github offer an easy way to fork data, for free.
>
> Are you with us so ?
>
> Regards,
> Julien.
>
>
> 2016-09-01 21:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Baumann <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de>:
>
>> Hi Manfred,
>>
>> On 09/01/2016 05:55 PM, manf...@egger-gis.at wrote:
>> > Hello Peter,
>> >
>> > Sorry, I have never heard of this standard.
>>
>> it is not a standard, it is a service offered by OGC (and based on
>> standards).
>>
>> > Is there a existing sample application using this database by OGC? Is
>> there a simple way to get the WKT like:
>> > http://www.epsg-registry.org/
>>
>> the link below yields GML. Other representations can be added - for
>> example, the
>> activist group establishing here might submit WKT representations; better,
>> though, would be a tool for converting from GML as EPSG does updates
>> every now
>> and then. Such a tool might get extended at some time to also deliver JSON
>> representations. Ideally it would do that on the fly whenever a CRS
>> definition
>> is requested. But now I am jumping ahead - obviously there is good room
>> for
>> extension and further services, at the same time avoiding duplication of
>> effort.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Peter
>>
>> PS: note that this service endpoint is mainly for m2m requests, not so
>> much for
>> human inspection. Another facet for discussion.
>>
>> PS2: the underlying service software is open-source (LGPL), might be of
>> interest, too.
>>
>>
>> > To Luís: Maybe before we start with a new datamodel and templates, we
>> should look what solutions exist and collect them in the github project and
>> then decide?
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Manfred
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: "Peter Baumann" <p.baum...@jacobs-university.de>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:20am
>> > To: "Luís de Sousa" <luis.de.so...@protonmail.ch>, "
>> manf...@egger-gis.at" <manf...@egger-gis.at>
>> > Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
>> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Detect and define the coordinate system of
>> gis data with no projection information automatically
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > a public registry of all EPSG CRSs and their definitions is provided by
>> OGC
>> > since many years under http://www.opengis.net/ . For example, WGS 84 is
>> > accessible through http://www.opengis.net/def/crs/EPSG/0/4326 .
>> >
>> > This service is kept in sync with EPSG releases and adds further CRS
>> families,
>> > such as Index CRSs and height CRSs and in future, once definitions are
>> resolved
>> > by OGC, also time ("temporal") CRSs. Arrangement has been made to also
>> host
>> > Planetary CRS definitions of the International Astronomical Union (IAU).
>>
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Do you remember this?
All - The OGC has a formal Principals of Conduct Policy. I wrote and maintained the policy with the agreement and approval of the OGC membership. http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/policies/conduct This policy was initially based on the IETF conduct policy. Please read sections 3.a and 3.b as they have to do with how OGC members interact with one another as well as with the broader community. So before "stirring the pot" on the LiDAR topic again, consider the Conduct policy as guidance on consensus building. Happy Holidays Carl On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Suchith Anand < suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi Sergio, Micha, > > Thank you for bringing this to our attention. > > The OSGeo Foundation will respond formally to this in due course as we had > initiated this open letter for the need for standards in LiDAR data > formats [1], [2]. I request OSGeo Board to add this in the agenda of the > next Board meeting and also for the F2F meeting, so we can discuss and plan > next steps. > > But first we will wait for response from the Open Geospatial Consortium - > who as per their website is committed to making quality open standards > for the global geospatial community and have been working on this by > setting up a Point Cloud DWG. We have put our trust in OGC in this process > , so let us first get the response from OGC. I am ccing Scott Simmons of > OGC to get their response. > > Best wishes, > > Suchith > > > [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter > [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-May/014222.html > > > -- > *From:* ica-osgeo-labs [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] on behalf > of Micha Silver [mi...@arava.co.il] > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:55 PM > *To:* SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org; > discuss@lists.osgeo.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this? > > Here's the continuation: > > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2015-December/000960.html > > On 12/22/2015 03:45 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: > > I remember discussing this in April: "Open Letter for the need for Open > Standards in LiDAR"; now I found this interesting post: > http://rapidlasso.com/2015/12/19/the-darc-force-awakens-esri-escalates-lidar-format-war/ > > > Is the empire striking back? > > > Sergio Acosta y Lara > Departamento de Geomática > Dirección Nacional de Topografía > Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas > URUGUAY > > > This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. > > > ___ > Discuss mailing > listDiscuss@lists.osgeo.orghttp://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. > > > > > This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee > and may contain confidential information. If you have received this > message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. > > Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this > message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the > author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the > University of Nottingham. > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your > computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email > communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as > permitted by UK legislation. > > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Orientation standard
Cameron - Thanks for the clarifications. Just one clarification to your clarifications: Esri was not looking for royalty payments or some level of licensing. They had agreed to vest all IP with the OGC so that the standard could have been released as an open standard on a Royalty Free, non-discriminatory basis. Cheers Carl On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Henrique, > It appears from your arguments that you are approaching the wrong people > for support, and probably should be looking elsewhere. > > On 21/10/2015 12:41 am, Munich Orientation Convention wrote: > > The definition of these relevant urban poles is a result of many years of > hard work and I claim intellectual property. > > If you are looking to charge for the use of your IP, then that IP would, > by definition not be included in an Open Standard, and would be a hindrance > to the Open Source Community. > > If you are looking to give away the IP, you still have to build up a > groundswell of users wanting your proposed standard before there is a > business case to switch. Just because it might be better (I'm not > convinced, but you might be right) doesn't by itself attract users. The > dvorak keyboard is better than qwerty, Esperanto is better than English, > yet I am still writing English on querty keyboards. > > is there the possibility to create a premium standard for premium > members? > > Not according to history. ESRI tried and failed: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/news/open-source-crusade-blocks-geospatial-standard-345493/page0 > > This is the last email I'll write on this subject. > > -- > Cameron Shorter, > Software and Data Solutions Manager > LISAsoft > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 > > P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 > > > _______ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Lidar News magazine false statements on (L)GPL (Was [OSGeo-Standards] REPORT: my OGC membership slot)
Slight historical note: Way back when (1996) the Open Software Foundation merged with X/Open and became the Open Group: http://www.opengroup.org/ . Only 20 years of date. Cheers Carl On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 3:38 AM, Johan Van de Wauw < johan.vandew...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Martin Isenburg > <martin.isenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Another curious thing is that I (and the open source license LGPL) was > > attacked vehemently in a recent column called "Open Source Mania" by > Lewis > > Graham that was published in the LiDAR News magazine. Viewer discretion > > advised and parental guidance suggested ... you will not like this FUD > > attack: > > > > > http://www.lidarmag.com/PDF/LiDARNewsMagazine_Graham-OpenSourceMania_Vol5No4.pdf > > > > I read the article and there are a lot of statements there which are false. > " if you touch a piece of GPL code with the nine foot pole of > launching it with a Python script, that script must now be GPLed" > not true > > "Suppose you have developed some very, very clever algorithm on which > you and your university have applied for a patent. If you have coded > your algorithm and used any GPL whatsoever, you just GPLed your > patent. The patent rights effectively transfer to the Open Software > Foundation for free distribution." > > Completely untrue. The Open Software Foundation does not exist. You > don't transfer patent rights at all. A well known counter-example is > the algortihm for MP3, where the code (lame) was released under LGPL. > > I think as OSGeo we should reply to the statements, this is an attack > on our community. Perhaps we can ask someone from the Free Software > Foundation Europe to help write a response? > > Kind Regards, > Johan > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] Discuss Digest, Vol 103, Issue 20
there are lots of terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_code#Terms ). Perhaps this problem could benefit from input from the Universal Postal Union? I misspoke. Yes, a lot of such systems exist, perhaps several of them even aspiring to become globally used by the common public. However, none of them have achieved any success toward that goal. Yes, they can perhaps serve specialized needs (for example, providing mechanized directions to fire trucks), but accepted and used by common folks? the scenario strains my imagination. And, even mechanized/automated directions for firetrucks are a distant reach… have you seen the alleys and byways that have organically developed over the ages in most of the old world? The world out there is far from Cartesian. Puneet. ___ Standards mailing list standa...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards ___ Standards mailing list standa...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards -- Carl Reed, PhD Carl Reed and Associates Mobile: 970-402-0284 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
