Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 13:09, Jody Garnett wrote: > > Make a proposal to the board if you want to set this up as a cross project > initiative. > > Marketing board would happy to accept your proposal also (this is a barrier > to adoption). > > Approach project PSC individually also works. > > There is a PDF on osgeo GitHub on how to do this kind of thing ... Thanks Jody! Have you got a link to this PDF? Nyall > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:36 PM Nyall Dawson wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett wrote: >> > >> > This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to >> > gather up these original or alternate sources ... both for end users >> > migrating to open source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own. >> > >> > I think this would be a great group project. >> >> Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here: >> https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets >> >> What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation" >> font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the >> standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with >> identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used >> effectively as a drop-in replacement. >> >> What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach >> osgeo for funding? >> >> Kind regards, >> Nyall >> >> > >> > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards wrote: >> >> >> >> I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map font >> >> is), but if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which >> >> sound vaguely like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 >> >> LN, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA >> >> GeoSym stuff - MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A >> >> >> >> If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font >> >> thing is, you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal >> >> Working Group at https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert >> >> warning) >> >> >> >> The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things >> >> might be MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated >> >> as a font though >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: Discuss On Behalf Of Nyall Dawson >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM >> >> To: Even Rouault >> >> Cc: OSGeo Discussions >> >> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is >> >> > that you have a style definition where there are tuples of >> >> > (font_identifier, symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling >> >> > of layers with point geometries, right ? >> >> >> >> Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative >> >> freely available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves. >> >> That's the blocker that I've encountered. >> >> >> >> > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts >> >> > already covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one >> >> > could possibly create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, >> >> > ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then >> >> > you need a complete replacement for each proprietary font. >> >> >> >> It's the later. >> >> >> >> > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ? >> >> >> >> There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete), which >> >> average about 100 icons apiece. >> >> >> >> ESRI AMFM Electric >> >> ESRI AMFM Gas >> >> ESRI AMFM Sewer >> >> ESRI AMFM Water >> >> ESRI ArcPad >> >> ESRI Arrowhead >> >> ESRI Business >> >> ESRI Cartography >> >> ESRI Caves 1 >> >> ESRI Caves 2 >> >> ESRI
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 23:38, Jody Garnett wrote: > > This discussion starts to get into the value, it is a lot of work to gather > up these original or alternate sources ... both for end users migrating to > open source, and for OSGeo projects to do on their own. > > I think this would be a great group project. Brett has recently compiled a summary of these fonts and symbols here: https://github.com/Saijin-Naib/ESRI-Fonts-Cheat-Sheets What I think we should aim for is an equivalent of the "Liberation" font package, which implements freely licensed equivalents of the standard Windows font packages (Arial, Times New Roman, etc), with identical font metrics and similar styling so that they can be used effectively as a drop-in replacement. What would be the next step to move forward with this and approach osgeo for funding? Kind regards, Nyall > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:44 AM Brad Hards wrote: >> >> I have no idea what is in the map fonts (or even what an ESRI map font is), >> but if you're looking for the symbology for DNC and VMAP, (which sound >> vaguely like: ESRI NIMA DNC LN, ESRI NIMA DNC PT, ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN, ESRI >> NIMA VMAP1&2 PT) its probably based on some variant of the NGA GeoSym stuff >> - MIL-HDBK-857A and MIL-DTL-89045/A >> >> If you're prepared to deal with converting CGM to whatever that font thing >> is, you can download the definitions from the NGA GWG Portrayal Working >> Group at https://gwg.nga.mil/pfg_documents.php (expect a cert warning) >> >> The ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers and some of those MilSym / MilMod things might >> be MIL-STD-2525 (aka STANAG APP-6) symbology. Not usually treated as a font >> though >> >> Brad >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Discuss On Behalf Of Nyall Dawson >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 3:46 PM >> To: Even Rouault >> Cc: OSGeo Discussions >> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts >> >> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault wrote: >> >> > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is >> > that you have a style definition where there are tuples of >> > (font_identifier, symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of >> > layers with point geometries, right ? >> >> Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative >> freely available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves. That's >> the blocker that I've encountered. >> >> > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts >> > already covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one >> > could possibly create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, >> > ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you >> > need a complete replacement for each proprietary font. >> >> It's the later. >> >> > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ? >> >> There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete), which >> average about 100 icons apiece. >> >> ESRI AMFM Electric >> ESRI AMFM Gas >> ESRI AMFM Sewer >> ESRI AMFM Water >> ESRI ArcPad >> ESRI Arrowhead >> ESRI Business >> ESRI Cartography >> ESRI Caves 1 >> ESRI Caves 2 >> ESRI Caves 3 >> ESRI Climate & Precipitation >> ESRI Commodities >> ESRI Conservation >> ESRI Crime Analysis >> ESRI Default Marker >> ESRI Dimensioning >> ESRI Elements >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident >> ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites >> ESRI Environmental & Icons >> ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1 >> ESRI ERS Operations S1 >> ESRI Fire Incident NFPA >> ESRI Geology AGSO 1 >> ESRI Geology >> ESRI Geology USGS 95-525 >> ESRI Geometric Symbols >> ESRI Hazardous Materials >> ESRI Hydrants >> ESRI IGL Font16 >> ESRI IGL Font20 >> ESRI IGL Font21 >> ESRI IGL Font22 >> ESRI IGL Font23 >> ESRI IGL Font24 >> ESRI IGL Font25 >> ESRI Meteorological 01 >> ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers >> ESRI MilMod 01 >> ESRI MilMod 02 >> ESRI MilRed 01 >> ESRI MilSym 01 >> ESRI MilSym 02 >> ESRI MilSym 03 >> ESRI MilSym 04 >> ESRI MilSym 05 >> ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN >> ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT >> ESRI NIMA DNC LN >> ESRI NIMA DNC PT >> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN >> ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT >> ESRI North >> ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G for cartography production
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 10:46, Adam Steer wrote: > > I should point out that my own usage of inkscape / gimp is because of > 'reversion to the familiar' rather than 'QGIS is missing stuff'. > > Eli and Nyall are right, QGIS has a *lot* to offer before any need to export > and manually touch up! And apologies if my reply came across as downplaying the role of manual/postprocessing cartography -- that wasn't my intention! Nyall ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G for cartography production
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 02:04, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote: > > Hi. Where I work we need to find an open alternative to ArcGIS in order to > produce maps for printing. We were trying with QGIS but we have problems with > labeling linear elements. I'd be very curious to hear more about this -- particularly if you've got example screenshots you can take! > Is there anyone in the list that has experience with preparing maps for > printing with open source software? Does anybody know what is the best FOSS4G > for doing this? Tutorials? As others have pointed out, QGIS is really the only choice for professional cartography in the open source realm, unless you want to dive in and do things manually... But the good news is that QGIS **has** a very strong cartographic following, and many many users and developers who are passionate about making it the best cartographic tool available (see eg https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/pull/37840). If you've good suggestions on how to improve QGIS' cartographic abilities, you should definitely submit them to the project for consideration. Nyall > > Thanks, > > > Sergio Acosta y Lara > Departamento de Geomática > Dirección Nacional de Topografía > Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas > URUGUAY > (598)29157933 ints. 20329/20330 > http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/ > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 01:13, Even Rouault wrote: > for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is that > you have a style definition where there are tuples of (font_identifier, > symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to define the styling of layers with point > geometries, right ? Partially, but the "bigger picture" is that there's just no alternative freely available version of many of these symbol graphics themselves. That's the blocker that I've encountered. > If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts already > covering the whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one could possibly > create a mapping between each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, ESRI_symbol_id) to > (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). If the later, then you need a complete > replacement for each proprietary font. It's the later. > How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ? There's about 73 fonts total (see list below, may not be complete), which average about 100 icons apiece. ESRI AMFM Electric ESRI AMFM Gas ESRI AMFM Sewer ESRI AMFM Water ESRI ArcPad ESRI Arrowhead ESRI Business ESRI Cartography ESRI Caves 1 ESRI Caves 2 ESRI Caves 3 ESRI Climate & Precipitation ESRI Commodities ESRI Conservation ESRI Crime Analysis ESRI Default Marker ESRI Dimensioning ESRI Elements ESRI Enviro Hazard Analysis ESRI Enviro Hazard Incident ESRI Enviro Hazard Sites ESRI Environmental & Icons ESRI ERS Infrastructures S1 ESRI ERS Operations S1 ESRI Fire Incident NFPA ESRI Geology AGSO 1 ESRI Geology ESRI Geology USGS 95-525 ESRI Geometric Symbols ESRI Hazardous Materials ESRI Hydrants ESRI IGL Font16 ESRI IGL Font20 ESRI IGL Font21 ESRI IGL Font22 ESRI IGL Font23 ESRI IGL Font24 ESRI IGL Font25 ESRI Meteorological 01 ESRI Mil2525C Modifiers ESRI MilMod 01 ESRI MilMod 02 ESRI MilRed 01 ESRI MilSym 01 ESRI MilSym 02 ESRI MilSym 03 ESRI MilSym 04 ESRI MilSym 05 ESRI NIMA City Graphic LN ESRI NIMA City Graphic PT ESRI NIMA DNC LN ESRI NIMA DNC PT ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 LN ESRI NIMA VMAP1&2 PT ESRI North ESRI Oil, Gas, & Water ESRI Ordnance Survey ESRI Pipeline US 1 ESRI Public1 ESRI SDS 1.95 1 ESRI SDS 1.95 2 ESRI SDS 2.00 1 ESRI SDS 2.00 2 ESRI Shields ESRI Surveyor ESRI Telecom ESRI Transportation & Civic ESRI US Forestry 1 ESRI US Forestry 2 ESRI US MUTCD 1 ESRI US MUTCD 2 ESRI US MUTCD 3 ESRI Weather ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts
Hi list! One common road block which I find I am encountering when organisations are wanting to transition to open source software is that they are dependant on the set of ESRI map symbology fonts. While there is a large number of quality open-licensed map icon sets available, there are currently none which are "drop-in" replacements for these ESRI font symbol sets. Has anyone else run into this issue? Any suggestions for approaches to overcome this? Would there be any interest in OSGEO funding creation of openly licensed alternatives to these fonts? Cheers, Nyall ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] GSOC: will mentor QGIS projects
Hey all, If anyone's interested in applying for the GSOC this year and is looking for a QGIS project, I'm available for mentoring in any of the following code areas: - Processing, including vector/raster data processing algorithms, optimisation of existing algorithms, and modelling improvements - Print layouts and reports - Vector/raster symbology, labeling Let me know if you're interested! Nyall ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [QGIS-Developer] GRASS GIS (trunk) and python 3 - testing welcome
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 01:45, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote: > > Dear OSGeo community, > > the GRASS GIS dev team is working on a python 3-support/transition [1] of the > source code in trunk [2]. That's fantastic news -- great work GRASS team! Nyall > > winGRASS GIS 7.7svn daily builds with python 3 are already available as > standalone installers [3] or in OSGeo4W [4]; see: > > System Info > GRASS Version: 7.7.svn > GRASS SVN revision: r74011 > Build date: 2019-01-25 > Build platform: x86_64-w64-mingw32 > GDAL: 2.4.0 > PROJ.4: 5.2.0 > GEOS: 3.7.0 > SQLite: 3.26.0 > Python: 3.7.0 <== > wxPython: 4.0.3 > Platform: Windows-10-10.0.17763-SP0 (OSGeo4W) > > In [5] there are hints how to test it in e.g. Linux. > > As the GRASS GIS transition to python 3 covers changes in many lines of code, > a broader testing by the community is very welcome. > > Problems and bugs can be reported in the GRASS GIS trac [6]. > > Thanks and kind regards > Helmut > > [1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Python3Support > [2] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk > [3] https://grass.osgeo.org/download/software/ms-windows/ > [4] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/ > [5] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/Python3Support#Linux > [6] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass > ___ > QGIS-Developer mailing list > qgis-develo...@lists.osgeo.org > List info: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer > Unsubscribe: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] withdrawal from Board election
On 22 October 2017 at 07:20, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: > Dear Jeff, > I hope your withdrawal is not accepted. > +1 from me too. Nyall ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
