Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination for Manuel Grizonet

[Rashad Kanavath]

Hi,

+1 for Manuel's nomination.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Angelos Tzotsos 
wrote:

> I want to second Manuel's nomination.
> I am surprised he is not a charter member already.
>
> Angelos
>
>
> On 08/30/2017 04:21 PM, Alexander Bruy wrote:
>
>> Manuel got my support too
>>
>> 2017-08-30 16:07 GMT+03:00 Even Rouault :
>>
>>> On mercredi 30 août 2017 16:05:19 CEST Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
>>>
>>> Forwarding Manuel Grizonnet nomination by Gerald Fenoy. The 2017 member
 nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].

>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly second Manuel's nomination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
 Vasile & Jeff
 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
 [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
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 Subject: Charter Member Nomination for Manuel Grizonet
 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:04:42 +0200
 From: Fenoy Gerald 
 To: OSGeo CRO 
 CC: Manuel Grizonnet 
 Dear all,
 it is pleasure for me to nominate Manuel Grizonet [1] for OSGeo Charter
 Membership.
 Many people know very well Manuel for the huge activities he is leading
 for years in OSGeo. Manuel is involved in the development team and is
 PSC member of the OrfeoToolbox that has been successfully incubated this
 year.
 Manuel is also taking part in the organisation of the OTB HackFest each
 year where the OTB community can meet. Other communities can join too
 and are very welcome at this event, I got the luck to participate in
 such a kind of event and I have to say that I was amazed by the great
 work they do there. During the hack fest, users and developers meet to
 share their use cases of the software, discuss the next steps for the
 project, but also the issue they may face using this or that part of the
 project and so on. It is just a very nice and efficient way to have
 feedbacks from the community and to meet often.
 Manuel is very open to discussion even when, like I do, you have only
 question to ask him and not much to offer.
 I am confident that Manuel will be a great addition to the OSGeo Charter
 Members list.
 All the best,
 [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Grizonnetm
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership

[Rashad Kanavath]

+1. I support this nomination.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Newcomb, Doug  wrote:

> +1 for Markus!
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:53 AM, Vasile Craciunescu  > wrote:
>
>> Forwarding Markus Metz nomination by Moritz Lennert. The 2017 member
>> nominations listwas updated [1].
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Vasile & Jeff
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>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
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>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Nomination of Markus Metz for charter membership
>> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 09:23:46 +0200
>> From: Moritz Lennert 
>> To: OSGeo Chief Returning Officer 
>>
>> Dear CRO's,
>>
>> I would like to nominate Markus Metz for charter membership. Markus is
>> very deeply involved in the core development of GRASS GIS and has done
>> invaluable work for our code base. Citing everything he's done would be too
>> long, but besides introducing many new modules and also significantly
>> improving the internal libraries, he has done wonders in allowing GRASS GIS
>> to work with very, very large amounts of data.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

[Rashad Kanavath]

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Jody Garnett  wrote:

> This is kind of a larger topic than just the incubation committee, but no
> I do not believe we should. It is a defining characteristic of our
> foundation to not place many restrictions on our projects - but demand that
> the projects be inclusive and open to collaboration.
>
> I do not believe that the "benevolent dictator" fits this ideal.
>
> I also do not think we need to stress the PSC approach as the one true
> way, smaller projects that only wish to have committers vote on decisions
> (rather than form a PSC) is perfectly acceptable - provided there is a
> provision for new committers to be added into the mix.
>

I agree with Jody that demanding a PSC for projects to be in incubation is
not a good idea.

If a PSC is required to join OSGeo. It must propose how a right PSC should
work.  Otherwise any project can form a PSC on whatever criteria, one being
the "dictator" way.

Project can decide weather to have PSC or not. If they have it must be
validated by OSGeo during incubation process. I hope having a checklist to
validate working PSC and how it should work can filter projects with
"benevolent dictator".


> We also have an outstanding request from our president to make the
> foundation more inclusive. With this in mind we are a lot less demanding on
> our community projects - which provides a way for projects that do not meet
> some of our ideal criteria to be part of the foundation.
> --
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> On 1 May 2016 at 00:44, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
>
>> OSGeo discuss, OSGeo incubation, OSGeo board,
>>
>> I'm hoping the greater OSGeo community will consider and comment on this
>> question:
>>
>> Should OSGeo accept a "benevolent dictator" [1] governance model for
>> incubating projects?
>>
>> -0 from me, Cameron Shorter.
>>
>> Background:
>> * As part of incubation, Peter Baumann, from Rasdaman has requested a
>> "benevolent dictatorship" governance model [2]. While "benevolent
>> dictatorships" often lead to successful projects, all prior OSGeo incubated
>> projects have selected "equal vote by PSC members". Someone with better
>> legal training than me might find "benevolent dictatorships" to be
>> unconstitutional according to OSGeo bylaws. [3]
>>
>> [1] Eric Raymond's "Homesteading the Noosphere":
>> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s16.html
>> [2] http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance
>> [3] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
>>
>> On 1/05/2016 3:56 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
>>
>> Cameron-
>>
>> I understand where you are coming from, and your characterization is
>> definitely correct. While our process is and always has been absolutely
>> open to discussion so as to obtain the scientifically and technically best
>> solution this "benevolent dictatorship" has brought rasdaman to where it
>> stands now - it is designed by innovation, not by committee. Just to get me
>> right, our model is certainly not the right one for every endeavour. Here
>> it is the most appropriate, and hence we will keep it.
>>
>> As you observe, this model is not contradicting OS as such, and many
>> projects run it. So ultimately it lies in the hand of OSGeo to decide
>> whether they accept the existing plurality of approaches (in this case
>> manifest with rasdaman).
>>
>> best,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 04/30/2016 10:47 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>
>> Bruce, Peter,
>> I've read through the incubation process documentation, and can only see
>> one thing which I think breaks our OSGeo principles.
>>
>> The Governance model includes a statement:
>> "In all issues, the PSC strives to achieve unanimous consent based on a
>> free, independent exchange of facts and opinions. Should such consent
>> exceptionally not be reached then Peter Baumann has a casting vote."
>> http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance
>>
>> This is describing a "benevolent dictator" model, which has proved to be
>> an effective model for many open source projects. See Eric Raymond's
>> "Homesteading the Noosphere":
>> 
>> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s16.html
>>
>> However, it is not in line with existing OSGeo Incubated projects, which
>> have documented a "vote by PSC" as the defining governance process. In
>> practice, the PSC community debate alternatives, and if needed,
>> respectfully revert to reasoned advice provided by the "benevolent
>> dictator".
>>
>> Peter, are you open to changing the governance model to a "vote by PSC"?
>> I'd be comfortable with a "vote by PSC, with PSC chair being given 1.5
>> votes to break any deadlocks. I'd also be ok with PSC chair defaulting to
>> Peter (as founder), until such time as Peter resigns from the role."
>>
>> Warm regards, Cameron
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WorldWind GeoForAll @ OSGeo+ICA+ISPRS+OGRS

[Rashad Kanavath]

Hello,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 07:04:05PM +, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
>
> > 1. The European Space Agency (ESA) has standardized on NASA WebWorldWind.
>
> Great news, thank you !
> I took the chance to register a NASAWorldWind organization on
> the _experimental_ OSGeo git service, and added mirrors of all
> the codebases currently available on github under that name:
>
>  https://git.osgeo.org/_gogs_/NASAWorldWind
>
> I hope it'll help OSGeo users who don't want to register an account on
> github to contribute to the project.
>
> PS: if you like the idea, just login once (with your OSGeo Userid) and
> I'll be able to set you as an owner of the organization.
>

experimental OSGeo git service is really nice!. Thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

[Rashad Kanavath]

Hello Jurgen,

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Jürgen E. <j...@norbit.de> wrote:

> Hi Rashad,
>
> On Mon, 15. Feb 2016 at 21:56:19 +0530, Rashad Kanavath wrote:
> > Currently, due to ABI incompatibility upgrades are stuck. For instance
> > ossim.
>
> BTW that's the only example there is (at least AFAIK). And that's only
> because
> OSSIM is insisting on using the GEOS C++ API that nothing else in OSGeo4W
> needs
> anymore.
>

one is enough for an example.  I agree on the ABI stability issue and usage
of C api if available and I do think that OSSIM should switch to Geos C
API. This is good for not only osgeo4W but also for debian and other linux
distro packages.

OSGeo4W is a packaging effort. It is a windows package installer which
should be able to handle these issues. I know you were saying user won't
care if asked to select a compiler when running osgeo4w-setup.exe.
And it is a lot of effort to maintain different compiler and its arch
version for setting up packages. Well if all turns out good, I think it
will pay off in terms of user satisfaction of osgeo4w.

Apart from ossim issue, There is mixing of mingw (grass, IIRC) and msvc
dlls in osgeo4w installation. A user does know nothing about these
situation. As you know mixing dlls like these can be dangerous and is one
of the reasons, I can't use cmake 3.0 or higher with any osgeo4w package.

If there is a compiler selection, then user can choose mingw, maybe there
will be only grass for now...

if they choose msvc2010 then have a lot. And if they choose 2015, they will
have only gdal maybe..

I understand your argument that someone needs to create so many package for
osgeo4w and none will be giving it to osgeo4w. Well, This is wrong. At
least history says so.. There is ossim package only because otb needs
ossim. same for opencv and  itk, I guess. So nobody will upload those
packages is incorrect. AFAICT, ossim, itk, opencv are built using msvc2010
is only because osgeo4w sticks to that version. All of these compile nicely
on MSVC2015.

For any C library, geos-c api, gdal C api etc.. the libs can be reused in
other version of compiler. So they are available irrespective of the
selected compiler version. Only those with c++ will be missing depending on
the package vendor or the decision of upstream developers.

Also if the choose mingw, grass will be there along with all the C API ed
libraries that are compiled on msvc for now. And who knows in future grass
developers will be setting up a mingw build for osgeo4w?



> Everything else was migrated to the more stable C-ABIs to avoid having to
> support myriads of different packages to support a number of different C++
> compilers, their versions and combinations there of.  IMHO that would be a
> large effort, which only marginal visible advantage to the user.
>


Could you get the list of all C++ packages.

Qt, OTB, OSSIM, GEOS-C++, boost, qwt, qgis ?

Current situation is any c++ library or application using Qt must be
compiled with msvc2010. Is that right?

If so, I think removing such a restriction could be very marginal to user.

BTW, it can't be so sure that none of the packagers that depends on qt
would provide a new binary for Qt5 with msvc2013 or 2015.  More or less the
same story of opencv, ossim packages.

In Linux distros, they fix a compiler to each version. This could be
another way of packaging. osgeo4w X.Y version uses so and so compiler.

So a user downloading osgeo4w 5.0 might be use a fixed version of msvc of
gcc compiler. Again no of packages a version have will vary.




> AFAICT there's not much in OSSIM depending on GEOS.  So porting might not
> be
> too difficult.  But the question about the possibility of porting OSSIM to
> the C API wasn't really answered (see
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/ticket/473).
>
see the 4th comment. I had talked with them in the past. Don't know if
situation is changed. You should create a new ticket on ossim tracker.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [otb-developers] OTB Users meeting and hackfest 2016

[Rashad Kanavath]

Hello Venka,

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan <
ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:

> Hi Rashad,
>
> Congratulations to the OTB team on their 10 Anniversary!!
> Great to know about the OTB hackfest in Toulouse.
>
> When the dates are fixed, please also send new item about the OTB hackfest
> to
> to the OSGeo blog {1].
>
> Sure. I will keep posted. Hope to see many from OSGeo community!

Best
>
> Venka
>
> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/news/submit_news.html
>
> On 2016/02/20 12:23, Rashad Kanavath wrote:
>
> FYI,
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Mickael Savinaud <mickael.savin...@c-s.fr> <mickael.savin...@c-s.fr>
> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:51 PM
> Subject: [otb-developers] OTB Users meeting and hackfest 2016
> To: otb-develop...@googlegroups.com, otb-us...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> As the previous year [1][2], we planned to organize a OTB users/hackfest
> meeting in Toulouse. The event would be open to anyone, and would last for
> 2 or 3 days. This event marks also the tenth anniversary of Orfeo Toolbox
> (the first commit has been done Thu, 5 Jan 2006 at 15:41:46 [3]).
>
> The tentative program is as follows:
>
>- *Day 1: Plenary session (general presentations from the OTB Team and
>the users)*
>
>
>- *Day 2: Technical session (tutorial, work groups)*
>
>
>- *Day 3: Hackfest (adopt an OTB developer, code a amazing feature, fix
>a bug)*
>
>
> The following page on the wiki gathers information on the event and will be
> updated regularly 
> :http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/OTB_Users_meeting_and_hackfest_2016
>
> First thing to do is to *pick a date*, so we set up a small poll for
> dates *between
> end of **may and mid-june*. If you are interested in the event, please fill
> in your availabilities :https://framadate.org/VvKoBC1EFy1UiPk7
>
> Don't hesitate to provide feedback on the previous edition, to help us to
> improve the next event.
>
> Many thanks, and see you soon in Toulouse!
>
> Best Regards,
> Mickaël
>
> [1]http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/OTB_Users_meeting_and_hackfest_2015
> [2]https://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/report-from-the-first-otb-users-days-in-toulouse/
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [otb-developers] OTB Users meeting and hackfest 2016

[Rashad Kanavath]

FYI,

-- Forwarded message --
From: Mickael Savinaud 
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:51 PM
Subject: [otb-developers] OTB Users meeting and hackfest 2016
To: otb-develop...@googlegroups.com, otb-us...@googlegroups.com


Dear all,

As the previous year [1][2], we planned to organize a OTB users/hackfest
meeting in Toulouse. The event would be open to anyone, and would last for
2 or 3 days. This event marks also the tenth anniversary of Orfeo Toolbox
(the first commit has been done Thu, 5 Jan 2006 at 15:41:46 [3]).

The tentative program is as follows:

   - *Day 1: Plenary session (general presentations from the OTB Team and
   the users)*


   - *Day 2: Technical session (tutorial, work groups)*


   - *Day 3: Hackfest (adopt an OTB developer, code a amazing feature, fix
   a bug)*


The following page on the wiki gathers information on the event and will be
updated regularly :
http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/OTB_Users_meeting_and_hackfest_2016

First thing to do is to *pick a date*, so we set up a small poll for
dates *between
end of **may and mid-june*. If you are interested in the event, please fill
in your availabilities :
https://framadate.org/VvKoBC1EFy1UiPk7

Don't hesitate to provide feedback on the previous edition, to help us to
improve the next event.

Many thanks, and see you soon in Toulouse!

Best Regards,
Mickaël

[1]
http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/OTB_Users_meeting_and_hackfest_2015
[2]
https://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/report-from-the-first-otb-users-days-in-toulouse/
[3]
https://git.orfeo-toolbox.org/otb.git/commit/6572210a37fe5903f0f091194092979bc3db4f9a

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

[Rashad Kanavath]

Hello Anita,

I think osgeo4w needs a better structuring of how packages can be added or
updated based on different compilers and version.

Currently, due to ABI incompatibility upgrades are stuck. For instance
ossim.  This was discussed in
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/ticket/473#comment:7

IMHO, it should become a package management tool for Windows rather than a
package installer.


On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Anita Graser  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> OSGeo4W is a great project which brings together software from lots of our
> projects and many users rely on it.
>
> The volunteer team around OSGeo4W is not that big and I wonder how
> sustainable this is in the long run. From what I know, there are quite a
> lot of - mostly maintenance - issues on the todo list, which have been
> sitting there for months.
>
> I'd like to encourage the OSGeo4W team to let us know how OSGeo can help
> ensure that this important project for many users is run in a sustainable
> manner.
>
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